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« Reply #1520 on: October 16, 2017, 09:12:03 PM »

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Justice for Natalee!

 

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1521 on: October 16, 2017, 09:32:56 PM »

I've had Google alerts for Natalee all these years but I'm thinking about cancelling them.  Now all the alerts are about cases TJ Ward is working on (other than Natalee) and frankly, I think less of him now than I did before. 
Yeah, it sounds like his next “TV series” adventure.

Me too, Klaas!  I've deleted so many over the last few months I've thought about cancelling them too.

And the same thought had crossed my mind, wreck.  If it is, I won't be watching. 


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1522 on: October 17, 2017, 04:56:19 PM »

I've had Google alerts for Natalee all these years but I'm thinking about cancelling them.  Now all the alerts are about cases TJ Ward is working on (other than Natalee) and frankly, I think less of him now than I did before.  
Yeah, it sounds like his next “TV series” adventure.

Not making any excuses for TJ. No need to do so.

Guys, everyone knows he wanted a TV show for a decade. If some are unhappy that he seems to have used Natalee as a vehicle to achieve those goals - then ok. I get it.

I don't think anyone here was all too keen for the Oxygen docudrama. I didn't watch any of it and it went exactly where I suspected it would. No where.

On this forum no one makes a missing person a trivial matter - this is as serious as it gets. When someone seems to have used a missing person to further their career - that doesn't typically go over too well here. TJ is a guy trying to make a difference - and after all these years he has done a great deal of good. You all know that.

It got Natalee another round of attention and she's not forgotten. Natalee is still out there somewhere. Some day there may be a surprise announcement. That's how you'll know Natalee was found. Hang in there.
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« Reply #1523 on: October 17, 2017, 06:47:46 PM »

Rob it gets worse
I didn't want to post the link here it gave me the  creeps Gave it to klaasend
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« Reply #1524 on: October 17, 2017, 07:03:27 PM »

I'll post this one
Gabriel Madrigal, TJ Ward, And Edward Kramer Connect. How Did They Connect?

by Casara11  , Today at 07:29 PM (3 Views)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...9f4839c786?4lf

Praise to David Lohr for the above article!

We now know that Edward Kramer has the alias of Eliot Benton. We know that Edward Kramer is an agent of TJ Ward.

We know that Edward Kramer negotiated payment for Gabriel Madrigal and John Ludwick.

We know that although Edward Kramer is an alleged predator of young boys, Ward does not believe it to be true. He thinks Kramer is a great guy.

We know that Gabriel Madrigal said the whole "story" began with him calling Dave Holloway.

Then it is reported Dave called Ward.

But when did Edward Kramer begin writing the "story?"

And if the story is the basis of the Oxygen series, then Gabriel Madrigal had to be involved from the time Kramer first started writing the story.

Without Madrigal and John Ludwick, there would be no story, right?

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Another million dollar question is according to the Oxygen series, Ward told Holloway there was no way the bones could belong to Natalee, but Holloway insisted on testing them.

Why would Ward believe that?

Were the bones never intended to be tested to begin with?

We know they do not belong to Natalee Holloway, but we know they are human.

Just where did those bones really come from? Who had them first? Who started this whole thing? Was Dave Holloway set up?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/entry.php?1828-Gabriel-Madrigal-TJ-Ward-And-Edward-Kramer-Connect-How-Did-They-Connect
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« Reply #1525 on: October 17, 2017, 11:21:15 PM »

Wasn't either of whom I thought it might be.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/14/disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-idea-stolen-from-original-creator-lawsuit/

NATALEE HOLLOWAY MINISERIES TRIGGERS LAWSUIT
 
  8/14/2017 12:26 PM PDT
Natalee Holloway Miniseries Triggers Lawsuit
EXCLUSIVE

Natalee Holloway has been missing for 12 years, and her story is still embroiled in controversy ... a story that has triggered a new lawsuit.
Edward Kramer just filed suit against 2 production companies -- Brian Graden Media and Lipstick -- for allegedly stealing his idea for a miniseries about Holloway's cold case. He says what's worse, he worked for the companies for more than a year without getting as much as a penny.
In the docs, obtained by TMZ, Kramer claims after Lipstick put him in touch with BGM in 2014 to develop the Holloway project, he was tasked with doing a lot of the legwork, like figuring out how to turn it into a miniseries,doing interviews and getting the pitch ready for NBC and Oxygen (which is airing "The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway" this week).
Kramer says when he began asking about compensation, he got the runaround.
He's asking a judge to block the airing of the show.
We've reached out to BGM ... so far, no word back.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1526 on: October 17, 2017, 11:28:54 PM »

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/edward-eliot-kramer-dragoncon-child-molestation_n_2527326.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sex-offender-natalee-holloway-tv-series_us_59e4fec7e4b0ca9f4839c786

Gabe's manager!  

http://www.mugshot-publication.com/Counties/Georgia/Gwinnett-County/Edward-Eliot-Kramer.951973.html


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1527 on: October 18, 2017, 12:10:54 AM »

I'll post this one
Gabriel Madrigal, TJ Ward, And Edward Kramer Connect. How Did They Connect?

by Casara11  , Today at 07:29 PM (3 Views)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...9f4839c786?4lf

Praise to David Lohr for the above article!

We now know that Edward Kramer has the alias of Eliot Benton. We know that Edward Kramer is an agent of TJ Ward.

We know that Edward Kramer negotiated payment for Gabriel Madrigal and John Ludwick.

We know that although Edward Kramer is an alleged predator of young boys, Ward does not believe it to be true. He thinks Kramer is a great guy.

We know that Gabriel Madrigal said the whole "story" began with him calling Dave Holloway.

Then it is reported Dave called Ward.

But when did Edward Kramer begin writing the "story?"

And if the story is the basis of the Oxygen series, then Gabriel Madrigal had to be involved from the time Kramer first started writing the story.

Without Madrigal and John Ludwick, there would be no story, right?

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Another million dollar question is according to the Oxygen series, Ward told Holloway there was no way the bones could belong to Natalee, but Holloway insisted on testing them.

Why would Ward believe that?

Were the bones never intended to be tested to begin with?

We know they do not belong to Natalee Holloway, but we know they are human.

Just where did those bones really come from? Who had them first? Who started this whole thing? Was Dave Holloway set up?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/entry.php?1828-Gabriel-Madrigal-TJ-Ward-And-Edward-Kramer-Connect-How-Did-They-Connect

Makes me sick.   

Wonder why Dave is still under contract with the production?  More to come?   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1528 on: October 18, 2017, 12:12:12 AM »

I've had Google alerts for Natalee all these years but I'm thinking about cancelling them.  Now all the alerts are about cases TJ Ward is working on (other than Natalee) and frankly, I think less of him now than I did before.  
Yeah, it sounds like his next “TV series” adventure.

Not making any excuses for TJ. No need to do so.

Guys, everyone knows he wanted a TV show for a decade. If some are unhappy that he seems to have used Natalee as a vehicle to achieve those goals - then ok. I get it.

I don't think anyone here was all too keen for the Oxygen docudrama. I didn't watch any of it and it went exactly where I suspected it would. No where.

On this forum no one makes a missing person a trivial matter - this is as serious as it gets. When someone seems to have used a missing person to further their career - that doesn't typically go over too well here. TJ is a guy trying to make a difference - and after all these years he has done a great deal of good. You all know that.

It got Natalee another round of attention and she's not forgotten. Natalee is still out there somewhere. Some day there may be a surprise announcement. That's how you'll know Natalee was found. Hang in there.

You hang in there too!  You're a good friend.   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1529 on: October 18, 2017, 01:20:20 AM »

Hello Monkey's....do we have any older photo's of Anita VdS to compare with her recent photo's?  I would like to see if she had any scars on her face(specifically her nose) back when the NH case began.
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« Reply #1530 on: October 18, 2017, 04:13:52 AM »

She did not have a scar on her nose.
 I have a picture something must have happened because she has one now maybe she fell while drinking a few of her cocktails or may got into a accident.
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« Reply #1531 on: October 18, 2017, 04:39:02 PM »

I noticed it a while back, the social media comments at the time made me think she'd probably had a cancer removed from her nose.  jmo

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154978432578336&set=ecnf.582598335&type=3&theater



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1532 on: October 18, 2017, 08:08:17 PM »

https://www.linkedin.com/today/author/edwardekramer

Edward E. Kramer
Award-Winning Writer, Editor and Creator of the Fantastic

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/us-attorney-opens-inquiry-fatal-police-shooting-atlanta-kramer

U.S. Attorney Opens Inquiry Into Fatal Police Shooting of Atlanta Teen
Published on August 17, 2015

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/investigation-reveals-intentional-cover-up-murdered-black-kramer

Investigation Reveals Intentional Cover-Up of Murdered Black Youth by Union City Police Chief
Published on May 19, 2015

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/new-information-search-natalee-holloway-private-tj-ward-kramer

New Information in the Search for Natalee Holloway: Private Investigator T.J. Ward in Aruba
Published on May 15, 2015

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/renown-private-investigator-tj-ward-seeks-murder-against-kramer

Renown Private Investigator T.J. Ward Seeks Murder Indictment Against Former Union City Officer
Published on February 22, 2015

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1533 on: October 18, 2017, 09:21:37 PM »

BBM, what, how so

http://www.edwardekramer.com/

Edward E. Kramer is the creator and developer of the six-part series, The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway for Brian Graden Media (BGM) and NBC Universal's newly re-branded Oxygen Crime Network. This landmark series, featuring Dave Holloway and Private Investigators T. J. Ward, Kathy Wainscott, Trace Sargent and Eric Bryant, Detective Frank Karic and Forensic Scientist Jason Kolowski, which finally puts to rest the 2005 murder of Natalee Holloway.
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« Reply #1534 on: October 19, 2017, 05:57:14 AM »

BBM, what, how so

http://www.edwardekramer.com/

Edward E. Kramer is the creator and developer of the six-part series, The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway for Brian Graden Media (BGM) and NBC Universal's newly re-branded Oxygen Crime Network. This landmark series, featuring Dave Holloway and Private Investigators T. J. Ward, Kathy Wainscott, Trace Sargent and Eric Bryant, Detective Frank Karic and Forensic Scientist Jason Kolowski, which finally puts to rest the 2005 murder of Natalee Holloway.

Exactly.  Not so at all imo.   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1535 on: October 19, 2017, 06:38:08 AM »

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/internationally-noted-private-investigator-tj-ward-sexual-allegations-against-comedian-bill-cosby-reveal-ulterior-motives-300013412.html

Internationally Noted Private Investigator T.J. Ward: Sexual Allegations Against Comedian Bill Cosby Reveal Ulterior Motives
"It's been very clear from the onset that most, if not all, of comedian Bill Cosby's accusers have significant ulterior motives which drive their public statements," states internationally noted Atlanta Private Investigator T.J. Ward.

Dec 22, 2014, 17:38 ET from Investigative Consultants International

 

About Investigative Consultants International

Investigative Consultants International has been in investigative intelligence for more than 35 years. Its been featured in many national and international news mediums, including FOX News, MSNBC, CNN, Good Morning America, Larry King Live, and HLN.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1536 on: October 19, 2017, 10:43:58 AM »

Not sure what this means some smart monkey may understand this
https://flii.by/search?q=Ed+Kramer+Lawsuit

Attorneys for Plaintiff
 EDWARD KRAMER UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA



27.Plaintiff is a creator and writer of the Series from start to finish.  The Series and its events were scripted from the initial paragraph summary as a single episode, through the Powerpoint, the 6-episode summary, and the proposed actions and scenarios – all written by Plaintiff.  Plaintiff requires compensation for his ownership of the Series which he created with Mr. Ward.


Plaintiff( EDWARD KRAMER)is informed and believes and based thereon alleges that in doing the things alleged herein in this Complaint, Defendants acted with oppression, fraud, malice and ill will toward Plaintiff and in complete disregard of Plaintiff’s right, and with the intent to injure him and cause him damage.
 Defendants have had Mr. Ward and Mr. Holloway as content providers sign written agreements transferring the copyrights to their created content to Defendants, but Plaintiff never signed such an agreement.  Nonetheless, Defendants proceeded to market and sell Plaintiff’s Work knowing all the time that Defendants did not own the copyright to the content prepared by Plaintiff.  In these actions, Defendants completely disregarded the rights of Plaintiff in and to the copyright in the Work. Plaintiff is therefore entitled to punitive damages in the enlightened conscience of the trier of fact. 

COUNT EIGHT QUANTUM MERUIT
74.Plaintiff hereby incorporates all preceding paragraphs as if fully restated herein. 75.As a matter of equity and fairness, Plaintiff is entitled to receive from Defendants the reasonable value of the services for Plaintiff’s creation of the Work, and similar compensation for the commercial use of the Work.
76.Plaintiff submits that the reasonable value of services in developing and creating the content for the Series may not be less, and should be substantially greater, than the reasonable value of services of Mr. Ward and Mr. Holloway.
 77.Plaintiff further submits that Defendants must pay him just compensation representing the reasonable value of his services in creating the Work, and evidence of just compensation may be based upon the projected value, profit and benefit of the Series to Defendants, NBC/ Universal and Oxygen.

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« Reply #1537 on: October 19, 2017, 01:07:22 PM »

Yikes what a guy
http://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/dragoncon-ed-kramer-child-molestation/

Just when it seemed the Natalee Holloway case couldn’t get more peculiar, HuffPost has uncovered another twist in the teenager’s 2005 disappearance:
Edward Kramer is suing producers of “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway,” a TV series that began in August on the Oxygen Network, alleging he is “co-owner, developer and writer,” according to his lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in California. Kramer wants unspecified “just compensation” for his work, plus punitive damages.

http://www.wow.com/article/M8miNA/59e4fec7e4b0ca9f4839c786
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« Reply #1538 on: October 19, 2017, 06:13:55 PM »

Robyn Gardner’s Sister To Have Human Bone Found In Aruba DNA-Tested
The bone was found during a recent search for Natalee Holloway.


Scientists soon will be able to compare DNA extracted from a human bone, found during an investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, to missing Maryland native Robyn Gardner.

“I am going to submit my DNA in the next few days to see if there is a match,” Gardner’s sister, Danielle Colson-Unglesbee, told HuffPost.

The human bone was found during the filming of a TV series on the Oxygen network called “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway.” The show followed the missing teen’s father and private investigator T.J. Ward while they chased leads in Aruba.
GM now claims Ludwick told him the bones came from a particular spot in van der Sloot’s yard, before a cement slab was poured in that area sometime in 2005. Madrigal said he’s already provided that and other information to the FBI.


we must have pictures ??


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robyn-gardners-sister-having-human-bone-found-in-aruba-dna-tested_us_59e901d0e4b0f9d35bc959fc?ng
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« Reply #1539 on: October 19, 2017, 08:13:48 PM »

JMO,more JL & GM bs

started in a place behind JL aunt house
then a bone/s were under a wall in baggie
now rest of remains are under a concrete slab
@ VDS house
will aruba LE check it out?
JMO, no, if they do they be dog bones, all bones
found in aruba are animal/dog bones

if the dna should be Robyn Gardner, her remains wouldnt
be under a slab at VDS house
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