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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -  (Read 719914 times)
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« Reply #200 on: May 14, 2015, 02:46:10 PM »

Shoot out to billb's sister and KTF and auntym.

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« Reply #201 on: May 14, 2015, 02:47:06 PM »

Kyle said:
 
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America
 
The frog we know and love has a few "connections" and "resources" -- I wonder if anyone has actually tried to track down and contact Kyle in the last several years? 
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« Reply #202 on: May 14, 2015, 03:45:49 PM »

Kyle said:
 
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America
 
The frog we know and love has a few "connections" and "resources" -- I wonder if anyone has actually tried to track down and contact Kyle in the last several years? 


LOL
lets just say we know where he is.

 
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« Reply #203 on: May 14, 2015, 03:49:11 PM »

Joran is on the beach with Natalee like he said.
He takes off his shoes.
He thinks she is dead.
He calls his dad.
Dad comes over.
They wrap her body in a blue tarp.

Dad has a guy who has a boat to do him a favor.
While dad goes home and wipes his computer clean.
The guy places Natalee in a cage. And puts rocks on the tarp
to hold it down and he throws the tennis shoe inside the cage
probably as a weight too.
Thus, we see the tennis shoe inside the cage.



VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.
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VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too. And — no, and so when I was on the beach, I had taken them off there, not to get sand into them. And that's where — you know, where we — were we started walking the other way. I always thought we'd go back, and that's where I'd left my shoes. And then the point in the car when we said, You know, we're going to leave, then, yes, we just left and I didn't really care about my shoes anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/03/transcript-joran-van-der-sloot-goes-on-record-part-2/


ON AUGUST 1, THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT MADE  PLEA TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK FOR A PAIR OF TENNIS SNEAKERS, K-SWISS BRAND,  SIZE 14
   
On 8-1 the ARUBA government made a plea to the public to look for a pair of tennis sneakers owned by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The pair of tennis sneakers are the “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, they are predominantly white with some blue trim. It was reported that “in one of his many statements” Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “said he might have lost the shoes the night Natalee disappeared.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_08.html
 

ON JULY 28, JOSSY  TALKS ABOUT HOW JURAN LOST ONE SHOE
 
MANSUR: Well, that`s a fact that`s been going around for quite some time now, that he was barefoot when he walked back home and that he lost his shoe somewhere either on the beach or over here at the pond
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html

He lost a shoe and it was at the bottom of the ocean inside the cage where he (Paulus) had someone dispose of Natalee's body.





SHOE INSIDE CAGE

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« Reply #204 on: May 14, 2015, 06:50:32 PM »

Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php



http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php





In my view, I always thought that the " angel message bearer" was drawn to resemble Joran's mother and it was as though the cartoonist was sending a subtle opinion as who knew what happened.


The picture describes a plan (3 days til, shallow grave dug, arrow pointing into the glass like something was planned to be put in it) but the odd thing is the witnesses in the background.

I have always felt that there are so many purposely drawn so-called " clues " ...  [ or what could be interpreted as such ] within this cartoon, that perhaps the motive for this drawing was to actually throw sincere truth seekers off.  The trick is to determine what is fact and what could be a deliberate mental detour.  This whole case seems to be one of world class mental trickery, in my view. The mind games have been excruciating from the beginning.


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« Reply #205 on: May 14, 2015, 06:55:33 PM »

Forgot about those tennis shoes ...
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« Reply #206 on: May 14, 2015, 07:09:42 PM »

Has anyone ever questioned the cartoonist?
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« Reply #207 on: May 14, 2015, 07:39:09 PM »

The Frogs posts are so very poignant. Through all the life changes we've all gone through, the one constant for me has been a frog from Sesame Street. Go figure! However, I wouldn't have it any other way!

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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #208 on: May 14, 2015, 08:10:33 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/gretawire/photos/a.162242790457256.36266.158671177481084/1089948951019964/?type=1




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May 12 at 9:33am · Edited ·

Natalee Holloway Special -- this Saturday at 10pm Fox News Channel (if you can't watch live, please DVR.)

No, I don't give up ...at least not easily. I am still working the Natalee Holloway investigation. I want answers. I want to get them for her parents. I got into this so deep that I figure I owe it to her parents to at least keep trying to get those answers.

It has been 10 years since this then high school teen vanished in Aruba. I have traveled the world to try to get answers and interviewed dozens and dozens of people - not all interviews have made air.

Over the years I have traveled to Aruba multiple times, to Thailand for a weekend, to a prison in Peru - all chasing down Joran van der Sloot. He has talked to me many times but always trying to play me. He has no conscience. At one time I was told there were two arrest warrants for me in Aruba (that was bizarre!) because the Arubans were unhappy with me.

And I even returned to Aruba a few weekends ago with Beth Holloway. Yes, I am still working this case.

This Saturday is a SPECIAL - 10pm - on the Natalee Holloway investigation.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #209 on: May 14, 2015, 08:22:23 PM »

Shoot out to billb's sister and KTF and auntym.



Good to see u Kermit along with all other monkeys.
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« Reply #210 on: May 14, 2015, 09:36:22 PM »

Has anyone ever questioned the cartoonist?

I emailed the cartoonist years ago and he never answered back.  I would not be surprised though if he had some connections to people in Aruba and maybe the "rumor mill" gave him the idea for the cartoon. 
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« Reply #211 on: May 15, 2015, 12:42:30 AM »

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No Body...No Tourism aruba! Bring Natalee Home!


« Reply #212 on: May 15, 2015, 12:49:05 AM »

Joran is on the beach with Natalee like he said.
He takes off his shoes.
He thinks she is dead.
He calls his dad.
Dad comes over.
They wrap her body in a blue tarp.

Dad has a guy who has a boat to do him a favor.
While dad goes home and wipes his computer clean.
The guy places Natalee in a cage. And puts rocks on the tarp
to hold it down and he throws the tennis shoe inside the cage
probably as a weight too.
Thus, we see the tennis shoe inside the cage.



VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.
snip
VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too. And — no, and so when I was on the beach, I had taken them off there, not to get sand into them. And that's where — you know, where we — were we started walking the other way. I always thought we'd go back, and that's where I'd left my shoes. And then the point in the car when we said, You know, we're going to leave, then, yes, we just left and I didn't really care about my shoes anymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/03/transcript-joran-van-der-sloot-goes-on-record-part-2/


ON AUGUST 1, THE ARUBA GOVERNMENT MADE  PLEA TO THE PUBLIC TO LOOK FOR A PAIR OF TENNIS SNEAKERS, K-SWISS BRAND,  SIZE 14
   
On 8-1 the ARUBA government made a plea to the public to look for a pair of tennis sneakers owned by Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. The pair of tennis sneakers are the “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, they are predominantly white with some blue trim. It was reported that “in one of his many statements” Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT “said he might have lost the shoes the night Natalee disappeared.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_08.html
 

ON JULY 28, JOSSY  TALKS ABOUT HOW JURAN LOST ONE SHOE
 
MANSUR: Well, that`s a fact that`s been going around for quite some time now, that he was barefoot when he walked back home and that he lost his shoe somewhere either on the beach or over here at the pond
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html

He lost a shoe and it was at the bottom of the ocean inside the cage where he (Paulus) had someone dispose of Natalee's body.





SHOE INSIDE CAGE


Katie here again..
My Dad told me early on that initial statements are key to facts. Time goes on and as time goes on, spin is BS. Seems Kermit nailed it! My Dad always believed Natalie was killed on the beach by Joran and Paulus disposed of her body at sea. Kyle and John will have to take up their roles with God on Judgement Day... Dad always believed Natalie was in the cage....
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« Reply #213 on: May 15, 2015, 12:51:42 AM »

Natalee > Natalie
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« Reply #214 on: May 15, 2015, 12:59:23 AM »

Hello, I'm Katie, Billb's daughter. As you may know, my dad passed away but he was always talking Natalie to me and my sisters and the evil of Aruba and Joran. I hope that this latest revelation about Natalie's whereabouts brings solid recovery so Beth and Dave have closure. Still monitor scared monkeys on my dads wishes.....Monkeys support of Natalie, Beth and Dave, and each other, are awesome!
 

Hello, Katie! I've spent many wonderful nights on a keyboard, in Seattle, chatting with BillB and other monkeys for years. I've often thought about your father and how he is doing, along with all the other monkeys. My heart breaks knowing your dad passed, but I'm blessed to have got to know him, even if it was through a keyboard. Your dad is flying  an angelic monkey with a freebird, as we speak. Laying here beside my wife, about to start crying because me, Wreck, Rob, and Billb were going to take Urine and the Leprechauns on a trip down the Cahulawassee river and   dump them off with the natives so they could squeal like a pig....



 an angelic monkey an angelic monkey an angelic monkey
Thank you Keepthefaith,
At times, our family thought dad was too obsessed with Natalie and scared monkeys..he poured so much time trying to rationalize to us his time on the computer. Over time, I finally got it that he was consumed with getting justice for Natalie and had a connection with like minded people on scared monkeys....my dad treasured the time he spent here......
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No Body...No Tourism aruba! Bring Natalee Home!


« Reply #215 on: May 15, 2015, 01:06:05 AM »

Natalee > Natalie
Got it Keepthefaith..Natalee..my dad was a stickler for details...
Sincerely,
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« Reply #216 on: May 15, 2015, 01:08:17 AM »

Natalee > Natalie
Got it Keepthefaith..Natalee..my dad was a stickler for details...
Sincerely,
Katie
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« Reply #217 on: May 15, 2015, 09:06:35 AM »

Natalee > Natalie
Got it Keepthefaith..Natalee..my dad was a stickler for details...
Sincerely,
Katie
FYI for moderators...I'm hanging on to my dads login, if thats not cool, thats OK and I'll stop.

No problem Katie - but to avoid confusion, maybe I'll modify the name people see for you as something like "billb's daugher" that way it won't confuse people.

 
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« Reply #218 on: May 15, 2015, 01:18:18 PM »

Has anyone ever questioned the cartoonist?

I emailed the cartoonist years ago and he never answered back.  I would not be surprised though if he had some connections to people in Aruba and maybe the "rumor mill" gave him the idea for the cartoon.  

He laid low ... interesting;  He had to have known something or someone  --- in my view. 
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« Reply #219 on: May 15, 2015, 01:43:14 PM »

Texasmon-Thanks for the Natalee Holloway Special date clarification. 
Wonder what she'll feature on the 30th?
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