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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -  (Read 686898 times)
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« Reply #840 on: August 13, 2017, 08:39:18 AM »

https://twitter.com/AlcatrazEast/status/875409790658375685



Justice for Natalee!

 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #841 on: August 13, 2017, 08:44:22 AM »

So his real name is Gabriel Madrigal?  After reading the links TM has posted I fully believe this man is a total CON.

Me too, Klaas!  

The more I dig, the worse it gets.  

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Sarasota-County-FL/Gabriel-Madrigal.98685973.html



Mugshots.com ID: 98685973
Name: MADRIGAL, GABRIEL
Race: WHITE
Sex: MALE
Hair Color: BLACK
Eye Color: BROWN
Height: 6′ 1″ (1.85 m)
Weight: 218 lb (99 kg)
Birth Date: 3/24/1970
DC Number: S37591
Supervision Begin Date: 4/13/2015
Current Location: SARASOTA
Current Status: ACTIVE
Supervision Type: DRUG OFFENDER PROBATION
Scheduled Termination Date: 4/12/2017
Aliases:
GABRIEL MADRIGAL
GABRIEL HERNANDEZ MADRIGAL
Charges:
Offense Date   Offense   Sentence Date   County   Case No.   Community Supervision Length
09/10/2014   S/M/D OTH SCH I & II   04/13/2015   SARASOTA   1420748   2Y 0M 0D
09/12/2014   S/M/D OTH SCH I & II   04/13/2015   SARASOTA   1420748   2Y 0M 0D
11/05/2014   OTH.DRUG-SALE/MANUF/DELIV   04/13/2015   SARASOTA   1420748   2Y 0M

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Sarasota-County-FL/Gabriel-Madrigal.6299962.html



Mugshots.com ID: 6299962
Birth date: 3/24/1970
Gender: Male
Height: 6′ 0″ (1.83 m)
Hair Color: BLK
Race: White
Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
Eye Color: BRO
Birth Place: N/A
Occupations: LANDSCAPING
Emp Phone: N/A
Booking Number: 201000001359
Booking Date: 1/29/2010 at 21:26
PIN: 0200651927
Arresting Agency: FL0580000
Arrest Age: 39
Arrest Date: 1/29/2010 at 19:58
Arrest Location: U.S. 41/S. HOLIDAY TR
Arrested By: CERNANSKY,PAUL
ID Number: 2213
Release Date: N/A
Street Address: 108 W COLONIA LN
City: NOKOMIS
OBTS: 5801150037
Employer: MARTINI MAINT
Charges:
Statute   Charge Description   Class   Bond   Type   Argn Date   Case #   Disposition
941.13   OUT-OF-STATE-FUG: CALIFORNIA   N\A   $0.00   N\A   N\A   2010 CF 001206 NC   CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEY`S OFFICE



https://www.rapsheets.org/california/riverside-jail/MADRIGAL_GABRIEL/200911455

Booking Number :200911455
Name   MADRIGAL, GABRIEL HERNANDEZ
Sex   Race   DOB
M   H   03/24/1970
Age   Hair   Eyes   Height   Weight
38   BLK   BRO   06'00"   208
Arrest Date/Time   Arresting Agency   Arresting Location
03/12/2009 09:30   Colorado River Station   HWY 78 @ 20TH AVE.
Booked Date/Time   Case No.   Bail Amount
03/12/2009 10:04   A-9058006   00005000   
Current Facility   Blythe Jail   Housing Unit   
Next Court Date/ Time   Court Name   Release Date
00/00/0000 00:00      03/12/2009
Charges
Charge   Type   Description   Bail   Disposition   Booking Type
475(B)   FEL   POSS BAD CHECK/MONEY OR   00005000   BAIL   PC
476A(A)   FEL   NSF FUNDS:CHECKS   00005000   BAIL   PC
487   FEL   GRAND THEFT (ALL TYPES)   00005000   BAIL   PC

Lake County Jail
4000 Orange St
Riverside, CA 92501


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #842 on: August 13, 2017, 10:38:49 AM »

       

Guilt tripping his FB friends for not sharing his gofundme page. 

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1920655424812661&id=100006046668726

Gabes Way was feeling heartbroken.
August 7 at 6:34am ·
Out over 500 friends only 32 share honestly I thought you liked me but I was wrong

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1922206477990889&id=100006046668726

Gabes Way was feeling motivated.
August 10 at 11:41am ·
Just remember. You asked me to break bread with you I was there you asked god for a miracle I was there you thought there was no hope I was there you need someone to talk to I was there. You were cold I was there but now tables have turned and now I need help and we're are you ? Sometimes it's not about the money cause this times are very tuff life will throw you a curb ball suddenly and you are speechless but it dosent hurt to spread the word cause some can some cannot but after you have looked the other way for me right now I will be back on track And if you cry for help you are hungry you are looking for a miracle even though you looked the other way when I need you I will be there for you
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #843 on: August 13, 2017, 11:16:02 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212257870374833&set=a.3096664328480.144131.1020265131&type=3


Beth Koehn Caves
13 hrs ·
You may want to talk to the REAL HERO THAT broke the Natalee Holloway Cold case! Gabes Way was NOT an informant nor was he a roommate! Contact him for the REAL STORY because HE WENT UNDERCOVER AND HAS ALL FOOTAGE AND INFORMATION . He invested YEARS to get John to break down and confess, took trips to Aruba to uncover the site AND went to a snake that wanted all the glory...the investigater that took his info, gag ordered him and shut him out. DAVID AND TJ only know what they know because they took everything that Gabe did and took ALL CREDIT. Gabe went broke trying to get John to break and they won't even help him or let him talk about it. Why? To look good and because Gabe means NOTHING to them except to get what they wanted.

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Beth Koehn Caves Daniel Ribacoff, can you message me, please, when you get some time? Thanks, buddy!
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https://www.facebook.com/bethanykoehncaves/posts/10212241017033510

Beth Koehn Caves
August 10 at 10:52pm ·
Oxygen is coming out with the series in mid August. If not for Gabe working his butt off to finally break the case, she would still be missing forever. John wouldn't have admitted to anyone else. Gabe was the HERO, not the INFORMANT.

https://www.facebook.com/bethanykoehncaves/posts/10212222560732114

Beth Koehn Caves shared Gabes Way's post.
August 8 at 5:18pm ·
Please help Gabe's daughter!! As a cancer survivor, I'm very familiar with the feeling of despair and costs! If you can give anything at all, it would help so much!! Gabe is asking for help but he's always been one to do big things to help others out without hesitating. Example: Gabe helps the homeless, drug addicts, accident victims and even went under cover to bring Natalee Holloway's body back to the states to give her family closure and peace. This man never stops, no matter what, to help ANYONE! HE'S a wonderful friend and I'm asking you to please help, however small, and share this, asking others to help his daughter get her tumor removed. Thank you so much!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #844 on: August 13, 2017, 11:36:19 AM »

I thought this was interesting because I've noticed Gabes Way has deleted at least one public post I shared here, and comments on other posts too.
But much of the same is in her original post, and then she posts the comment three minutes later.
Maybe they're trying to scare a donation out of someone with the threat of a polygraph expert?    Monkey Devil!

Oh my word, the drama.   

Original post:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212257870374833&set=a.3096664328480.144131.1020265131&type=3
Beth Koehn Caves
14 hrs (8:59pm)
  (posted above)

https://www.facebook.com/bethanykoehncaves/posts/10212257870934847?comment_id=10212257897535512&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

Beth Koehn Caves Daniel Ribacoff, can you message me, please, when you get some time? Thanks, buddy!
14 hrs (9:02pm)

https://www.facebook.com/daniel.ribacoff.7

Private Investigator, Polygraph Examiner, Published Author, International Lecturer and TV Personality
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #845 on: August 13, 2017, 11:46:22 AM »

She just commented again on the same post, and tagged Gabes Way.   

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

Guess she thought he didn't see it?  Gotta get that credit when it's due!    Monkey Devil!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #846 on: August 13, 2017, 11:54:23 AM »

I thought this was interesting because I've noticed Gabes Way has deleted at least one public post I shared here, and comments on other posts too.
But much of the same is in her original post, and then she posts the comment three minutes later.
Maybe they're trying to scare a donation out of someone with the threat of a polygraph expert?    Monkey Devil!

Oh my word, the drama.   

Original post:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212257870374833&set=a.3096664328480.144131.1020265131&type=3
Beth Koehn Caves
14 hrs (8:59pm)
  (posted above)

https://www.facebook.com/bethanykoehncaves/posts/10212257870934847?comment_id=10212257897535512&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

Beth Koehn Caves Daniel Ribacoff, can you message me, please, when you get some time? Thanks, buddy!
14 hrs (9:02pm)

https://www.facebook.com/daniel.ribacoff.7

Private Investigator, Polygraph Examiner, Published Author, International Lecturer and TV Personality


The comment asking the polygraph expert to message her has now been deleted. 

That didn't take long.   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #847 on: August 13, 2017, 06:10:53 PM »

Y'all remember Max Arends?  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0
 

ARENDS, Max   – questioned & released on 6-17-05, friend of JvdS.  AKA Maximillian, Maxito.  Went to International School, now at Valencia Community College in Florida.

https://www.facebook.com/steven.r.paradise/posts/10155411851364927

Steve Paradise
August 10 at 11:37am ·
I guess the headline is to get you to read the article or watch Oprahs dumb channel. They didn't find the body and its more heresay. Quit putting this poor family through this agony.

Did Natalee Holloway’s Dad Find a Promising New Lead in His Daughter’s 12-Year-Old Disappearance?
In a six-part TV special on Oxygen, Dave Holloway and his investigators track leads to try and find his daughter
PEOPLE.COM

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Max Arends Crematory was not available in 2010, sorry for the news, but it was only available due to liscensing issue about a year and a half ago.. this does not add up at all!
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https://www.facebook.com/david.farley.3954/posts/1621831364547402

David Farley
August 10 at 11:53am ·
In Touch Weekly
 ·
I hope this is true so the family can have some closure to this
terrible crime

Natalee Holloway's Body Has Been Found 12 Years After Her Disappearance (EXCLUSIVE)
Twelve years after her disappearance, new evidence suggests what happened to her remains.
INTOUCHWEEKLY.COM

Max Arends Crematory was not available in 2010, sorry for the news, but it was only available due to liscensing issue about a year and a half ago.. this does not add up at all!
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David Farley Max help me out what are you saying, is this a fake new article
Like · Reply · 9 hrs

And another one.   

https://www.facebook.com/casey.taylor.16718979/posts/1925264091054471

Casey Holland Taylor
20 hrs ·
This breaks my heart. Prayers goes out to this poor family. 😭💔

Natalee Holloway's Body Has Been Found 12 Years After Her Disappearance (EXCLUSIVE)
INTOUCHWEEKLY.COM

Max Arends Crematory was not available in 2010, sorry for the news, but it was only available due to liscensing issue about a year and a half ago.. this does not add up at all!
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https://www.facebook.com/MaximusAruba

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=353225498428748&set=a.131588487259118.1073741829.100012239025000
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« Reply #848 on: August 13, 2017, 06:54:35 PM »

I've found a few more public fb posts where Max Arends copied the same response.

He was busy!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #849 on: August 13, 2017, 07:56:05 PM »

The only crematory available at that time was one for dogs and cats if I remember correctly.  Back in 2005 if you wanted to be cremated you had to go to Curacao.  At least that's how I remember it.

However, I always said what would stop someone from cremating a person in a pet crematorium?
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« Reply #850 on: August 13, 2017, 10:33:17 PM »

The only crematory available at that time was one for dogs and cats if I remember correctly.  Back in 2005 if you wanted to be cremated you had to go to Curacao.  At least that's how I remember it.

However, I always said what would stop someone from cremating a person in a pet crematorium?

 

It seems like there was talk of a hospital incinerator and one at Valero too over the years.

I remembered posting about when they got the furnace in to do cremations.  It was in late 2012, but the laws weren't ready for it to be used yet.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1544296#msg1544296

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/133420-oven-voor-crematie-al-op-aruba

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Furnace for cremation already in Aruba         

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2012 9:26

ORANGE CITY - The container containing materials for a cremation furnace came this week in Aruba and is already at the door of Aurora Funeral Home. The draft law cremated in Aruba must permit must still be approved by parliament.

Director Anthony Latham this funeral tells the container that there is indeed more than the law is ready. "I hope that the law this year is adopted, so that we may already be in January with cremations can begin." He is well aware that within the Aruban 'culture' they might not be fully ready for the idea that cremation later also in Aruba can, but he is convinced that cremation in Aruba for many people desire. "It just takes a lot of money to the deceased to Curacao across, there be cremated and their ashes then back to Aruba. If cremation in Aruba may, will a lot of money. "

 
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« Reply #851 on: August 14, 2017, 09:32:02 AM »

The only crematory available at that time was one for dogs and cats if I remember correctly.  Back in 2005 if you wanted to be cremated you had to go to Curacao.  At least that's how I remember it.

However, I always said what would stop someone from cremating a person in a pet crematorium?

 

It seems like there was talk of a hospital incinerator and one at Valero too over the years.

I remembered posting about when they got the furnace in to do cremations.  It was in late 2012, but the laws weren't ready for it to be used yet.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13361.msg1544296#msg1544296

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/133420-oven-voor-crematie-al-op-aruba

Google translation:

Furnace for cremation already in Aruba         

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2012 9:26

ORANGE CITY - The container containing materials for a cremation furnace came this week in Aruba and is already at the door of Aurora Funeral Home. The draft law cremated in Aruba must permit must still be approved by parliament.

Director Anthony Latham this funeral tells the container that there is indeed more than the law is ready. "I hope that the law this year is adopted, so that we may already be in January with cremations can begin." He is well aware that within the Aruban 'culture' they might not be fully ready for the idea that cremation later also in Aruba can, but he is convinced that cremation in Aruba for many people desire. "It just takes a lot of money to the deceased to Curacao across, there be cremated and their ashes then back to Aruba. If cremation in Aruba may, will a lot of money. "

 

Link to discussion we had back in 2007 regarding cremation:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2229.msg289554#msg289554
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« Reply #852 on: August 14, 2017, 09:34:07 AM »

Posted by me in June 2005:

Quote from: iquitos
what could one possibly do with a body to be absolutely certain it would never be found?
Cremate it
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« Reply #853 on: August 14, 2017, 05:31:04 PM »

Wasn't either of whom I thought it might be.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/14/disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-idea-stolen-from-original-creator-lawsuit/

NATALEE HOLLOWAY MINISERIES TRIGGERS LAWSUIT
 
  8/14/2017 12:26 PM PDT
Natalee Holloway Miniseries Triggers Lawsuit
EXCLUSIVE

Natalee Holloway has been missing for 12 years, and her story is still embroiled in controversy ... a story that has triggered a new lawsuit.
Edward Kramer just filed suit against 2 production companies -- Brian Graden Media and Lipstick -- for allegedly stealing his idea for a miniseries about Holloway's cold case. He says what's worse, he worked for the companies for more than a year without getting as much as a penny.
In the docs, obtained by TMZ, Kramer claims after Lipstick put him in touch with BGM in 2014 to develop the Holloway project, he was tasked with doing a lot of the legwork, like figuring out how to turn it into a miniseries,doing interviews and getting the pitch ready for NBC and Oxygen (which is airing "The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway" this week).
Kramer says when he began asking about compensation, he got the runaround.
He's asking a judge to block the airing of the show.
We've reached out to BGM ... so far, no word back.
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« Reply #854 on: August 14, 2017, 06:48:03 PM »

Thanks for the link, Klaas!   

There's always been a good argument for her being cremated, but I'm not convinced.
And certainly can't believe they waited five years to do it, if that's what was done.

The Persistence mission still weighs heavy on my mind, wish I knew the whole truth.

I love reading the old threads, there's always some laughs and great memories.   


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« Reply #855 on: August 14, 2017, 07:59:13 PM »

Thanks for the link, Klaas!   

There's always been a good argument for her being cremated, but I'm not convinced.
And certainly can't believe they waited five years to do it, if that's what was done.

The Persistence mission still weighs heavy on my mind, wish I knew the whole truth.

I love reading the old threads, there's always some laughs and great memories.   




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« Reply #856 on: August 15, 2017, 06:24:29 AM »

damn it's been so long I may not even know how to post here ... but Hello Monkeys!

I don't give a fig about this new Oxygen series. I'm surprised that Dave got tangled up in this but I guess he just did what he thinks he has to do. If any real "closure" ever comes, I don't think the Oxygen channel will be the messenger. This Gabe character - shaking my head in disbelief (is there an emoji for that? lol).

I was sorry to read (here) about the death of Mr. Mansur. He was one of the good guys ...

Shout out to TM and Klaas!

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Why did they have to disappear her body?

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« Reply #857 on: August 15, 2017, 07:04:12 AM »

damn it's been so long I may not even know how to post here ... but Hello Monkeys!

I don't give a fig about this new Oxygen series. I'm surprised that Dave got tangled up in this but I guess he just did what he thinks he has to do. If any real "closure" ever comes, I don't think the Oxygen channel will be the messenger. This Gabe character - shaking my head in disbelief (is there an emoji for that? lol).

I was sorry to read (here) about the death of Mr. Mansur. He was one of the good guys ...

Shout out to TM and Klaas!



Good morning msmarple!  It's always good to see you!   

ITA, I'm not expecting closure from this either.  I've seen several "fake news" comments in reaction to the finally found headlines being shared on fb.  So many people have hoped and prayed for answers for Natalee and her family, and many are skeptical of this new series as well.  I guess we'll see what comes of it, if they even get to show it with the new lawsuit.

Sad that we can't reach out to Jossy and get his take on things anymore.  I agree, he was one of the good guys.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #858 on: August 15, 2017, 04:36:07 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-determination-of-dave-holloway-natalee-holloways_us_598b46f0e4b030f0e267c939

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The Determination of Dave Holloway: Natalee Holloway’s Dad’s Quest for Justice Reveals New Leads
08/15/2017 11:46 am ET

 

T.J. Ward, Dave Holloway’s longtime detective who has become a friend (he keeps a photo of Natalee in his office), has been working on the case since it began in 2005. In the Oxygen series, he vets an informant named Gabriel that comes forward to report a confession from a friend of van der Sloot’s, John Ludwig. While Ludwig appears to be a shady character, he has given an account to Gabriel that sounds highly credible with information only those closest to the case know about.

In a phone interview for The Huffington Post with Dave Holloway and T.J. Ward, the investigator confirms that he used lie detection methods (voice layering analysis) and professional tactics to determine if Gabriel was a reliable informant. “In my initial meeting with Gabriel, we sat him down and gave him a massive interview,” says Ward, “We believe some of the information that was given to him from John because John and Joran were good friends. There were details that had not been made public in what John told Gabriel.”

In one disturbing scene of The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Ludwig is shown in a video shot by Gabriel watching his own past appearance on Nancy Grace, mocking the host loudly and ranting wildly about Stefany Flores. Ludwig’s undying loyalty to van der Sloot is reminiscent of those obsessed with serial killers “There is a lot we end up finding out about Joran and John’s relationship that you will see in this series,” Ward adds.

“The details Gabriel gave us were too credible to discount,” Dave Holloway explains, “Joran’s godfather was in the Ministry of Justice and Joran’s father Paulus van der sloot (who passed away from a sudden heart attack in 2010) was a judge in training. It’s no secret that Aruba’s law enforcement was not vigilant about looking into this when Natalee first was reported missing. We believe Joran was protected by his family’s connections.”

When asked if his ex wife Beth is supportive about this new show and Dave’s involvement in uncovering new leads, he says “no, she is not and let me give you some history: Back in 2015 when we got involved with this Marriott case (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/world/natalee-holloway-new-tip/index.html), I was skeptical about it and Beth too, but this guy kept going on and on and involved my family. We were able to get satellite images and we had to put that to rest when nothing was found to help us. Family members got their hopes up over and over and over....It took a toll on (Natalee’s mom) Beth and I saw how devastating it also was to my wife Robin. I promised myself not to bring anyone else in - to avoid destroying my family. We went through a healing process and then 2 months later, Gabriel called.”

Dave says that in 2015 they had just finished looking into the lead about the Marriott Hotel in Aruba and then thing went quiet: “We would get calls from wannabe psychics and those with theories and speculations. Gabe’s call was patched through and he said not to hang up. I reluctantly called him back and something stirred my interest. He also said that he had tried to contact the FBI and was frustrated that no one got back to him. I said ‘I know the feeling!’ and asked if he would mind talking to a private investigator, gave him TJ’s number and TJ took it from there.”

In the series premiere, Gabriel explains “I’m a father of 2 daughters. I feel obligated to solve this. I want to help.” He says he knew John Ludwig for about 4 years and Ludwig went to Aruba because he had an aunt living there. Ludwig bumped into van der sloot and wanted to be his friend after seeing him on TV. Eventually, van der Sloot not only confided in Ludwig, but asked for his help moving Natalee’s body from its hidden location as he felt the pressure of authorities about to close in.

Viewers will wonder about Ludwig’s credibility, if DNA or other type of evidence can be collected based on newly obtained statements, how van der Sloot’s father possibly covered up his son’s crime, and if Gabriel will crack under the pressure of what’s expected of him next. He becomes an integral part of a riveting sting investigation.

Ward says: “Through the sting operation, We end up finding out a lot more about John and Joran’s relationship. It’s really mind blowing.”

Tune in to Oxygen August 19th, 7/6c and 9/8c, for the series premiere of The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #859 on: August 15, 2017, 04:42:12 PM »

Maybe John has a tutu like Guido's?     

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Ward says: “Through the sting operation, We end up finding out a lot more about John and Joran’s relationship. It’s really mind blowing.”
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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