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« Reply #180 on: May 13, 2015, 08:00:56 PM »

Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges of have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

Makes a lot of sense.

Paulus was involved IMO. He could have very well picked up Natalee, wherever Joran left her, and dumped her at sea.
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« Reply #181 on: May 13, 2015, 08:07:18 PM »

Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php



http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php





This picture is creepy as heck...just like most things here (capslockwizard, simian, shango, etc.)
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« Reply #182 on: May 13, 2015, 08:11:37 PM »

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/speurhond-zoekt-tevergeefs-naar-natalee-holloway

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May 13, 2015 11:09
Sleuth searches in vain for Natalee Holloway

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The public prosecutor on the island is not involved in the search for Natalee Dave. A spokesman tells RTL Boulevard that she had to find out through the media that he is on the island. The authorities in Aruba are well aware of Jurriëns statement, but they do nothing with it. Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof is is still to deepen in the file following the tip of Jurriën. Then he will decide whether there will again be sought by justice for the remains of US.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #183 on: May 13, 2015, 08:19:45 PM »


(Photo of Blue trap and trap in the mangroves here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=snj03p7b4dbkl5q9bv3d5j9hr7&topic=4173.msg555865#msg555865



What I do know is that there is blue fabric found on the 7th of Jand a piece of blue tarp. This is reluctantly confirmed by Richardson and Mos.

The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.


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« Reply #184 on: May 13, 2015, 08:41:29 PM »

I meant to say the crab trap pics by kyle also. Ocean explorer bailing out all of a sudden and all. Just another creepy thing.  Thanks Kermit.
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« Reply #185 on: May 13, 2015, 09:14:07 PM »

That damn frog being logical, again....
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« Reply #186 on: May 13, 2015, 09:15:11 PM »

Keepthefaith, wreck, antunym, Kermit and 12 Guests

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(Photo of Blue trap and trap in the mangroves here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=snj03p7b4dbkl5q9bv3d5j9hr7&topic=4173.msg555865#msg555865



What I do know is that there is blue fabric found on the 7th of Jand a piece of blue tarp. This is reluctantly confirmed by Richardson and Mos.

The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.



I would surmise, a dead body would be much easier to transport, once placed in the cage.
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« Reply #188 on: May 14, 2015, 07:05:26 AM »





Justice for Natalee!

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #189 on: May 14, 2015, 07:59:17 AM »

Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.
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« Reply #190 on: May 14, 2015, 08:34:48 AM »

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, is dismissing an account recently brought up by a self-proclaimed witness.

“Joran knows him,” his lawyer in Perú, Maximo Altez, told Fox News Latino. “Joran tells me this man is someone who sold drugs in Aruba to all of his friends.” 

Altez said Van der Sloot urges Natalee Holloway parents to disregard de Jong’s account.

“He is playing with their pain,” he said. “Joran is not worried [by de Jong's story], he advises them to look into his background.”

De Jong told Inside Edition the Alabama teen, whose body was never found, is buried beneath a crawl space at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba .

Van der Sloot said through his lawyer he is not concerned by the new development.

“Joran says everything that man says is a lie,” Altez told FNL. “This is nothing new, and all this man wants is money.”
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/05/13/joran-van-der-sloot-dismisses-new-witness-is-playing-with-familys-pain/
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« Reply #191 on: May 14, 2015, 10:25:29 AM »

 
Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.

Paulus wasn't sweating profusely dehydrating himself because he knew nothing.
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« Reply #192 on: May 14, 2015, 12:10:23 PM »

Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php



http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php





In my view, I always thought that the " angel message bearer" was drawn to resemble Joran's mother and it was as though the cartoonist was sending a subtle opinion as who knew what happened.
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« Reply #193 on: May 14, 2015, 12:17:06 PM »

Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges of have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

Makes a lot of sense.

Paulus was involved IMO. He could have very well picked up Natalee, wherever Joran left her, and dumped her at sea.

Maybe the "shallow grave" in the cartoon represents where he left her.

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« Reply #194 on: May 14, 2015, 12:19:21 PM »

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/speurhond-zoekt-tevergeefs-naar-natalee-holloway

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May 13, 2015 11:09
Sleuth searches in vain for Natalee Holloway

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The public prosecutor on the island is not involved in the search for Natalee Dave. A spokesman tells RTL Boulevard that she had to find out through the media that he is on the island. The authorities in Aruba are well aware of Jurriëns statement, but they do nothing with it. Chief Prosecutor Eric Olthof is is still to deepen in the file following the tip of Jurriën. Then he will decide whether there will again be sought by justice for the remains of US.

It's deja vu all over again ...
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« Reply #195 on: May 14, 2015, 12:22:57 PM »

One thing's for sure:  the cartoonist deliberately drew an unattractive version of Natalee - I never liked that, and took umbrage - and I still do.
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« Reply #196 on: May 14, 2015, 12:24:28 PM »

Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.

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« Reply #197 on: May 14, 2015, 12:35:58 PM »

 
Just got home from work.  Got an email from Mere asking if I still had this cartoon.  Reminder that this cartoon was published on June 7, 2005 by a Canadian cartoonist.

http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/about-cartoonist.php



http://www.cartoons.diberardo.com/recent-political-cartoon/girl-murdered.php





In my view, I always thought that the " angel message bearer" was drawn to resemble Joran's mother and it was as though the cartoonist was sending a subtle opinion as who knew what happened.


The picture describes a plan (3 days til, shallow grave dug, arrow pointing into the glass like something was planned to be put in it) but the odd thing is the witnesses in the background.
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« Reply #198 on: May 14, 2015, 02:31:55 PM »

Joran could have left a dead or dying Natalee at the Marriott.  When he tells his father, Paulus arranges to have her body disposed of at sea, possibly in the cage/trap.  Plausible IMO.

 

Agreed!!!

It makes complete sense that a murder would have taken place there and he hid her there only to have Papa Sloot get rid of the evidence and bring Natalee out to sea to that no one could find her. Obviously Papa Sloot to cover up the crime was never going to keep the body in a place where she could be discovered.

I think that is what many of us have thought for years and it indicates the involvement of a thinking adult looking to cleanse a crime scene versus of a teenage killer. Remember, JVDS just left Stephany Flores' body in the room in Peru, no attempt to cover up the crime. What was missing that time during that murder? Why Papa Sloot and his connection on Aruba to cover up the crime.

Justice-orgies and blackmail on the West Indies
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Met het bekend worden van het pedofielen-netwerk rond topmensen uit de wereld van justitie en politiek komt een wereld in beeld van sex, corruptie, fraude en chantage waarvoor we HEEL VER TERUG moeten in de geschiedenis om iets vergelijkbaars aan te treffen. With public disclosure of the paedophile network leaders from around the world of justice and politics is a world in images of sex, corruption, fraud and blackmail which we VERY FAR BACK in history to have something comparable to be found. Hans Holthuis, Joost Tonino, Joris Demmink en Paulus van der Sloot: ze horen allemaal bij dezelfde club van justitiele perverts die op kosten van de belastingbetaler onze rechtsstaat om zeep hebben geholpen. Hans Holthuis, Joost Tonino, Joris Demmink and Paulus van der Sloot: they all belong to the same club of judicial pervert who at the expense of the taxpayer to kill our rule of law have helped. Deze aflevering neemt ons niet mee naar de flat van 'pedo-professor' Ger van Roon in Amsterdam-Noord, maar naar de tuin van de familie Van der Der Sloot op Aruba... This episode takes us back to the flat of "pedo-professor Ger van Roon in Amsterdam-North, but to the garden of the family of Van Der Sloot in Aruba ...
SABOTAGE KLOKKENLUIDERONLINE??? SABOTAGE KLOKKENLUIDERONLINE??

Dit stuk is op HVV geplaatst omdat de website klokkenluideronline waarvoor het was bestemd waarschijnlijk wordt gesaboteerd. This piece is placed on HVV because the website klokkenluideronline which it was intended is probably sabotaged. Naar de oorzaken van de reeks van storingen wordt thans onderzoek gedaan. To the causes of the series of failures is now investigated.

Het Nederlands justitieel apparaat wordt op enorme schaal gechanteerd met pornografisch materiaal over officieren van justitie en rechters. The Dutch judiciary is on a colossal scale extortion with pornographic material on prosecutors and judges. Aan die conclusie valt niet meer te ontkomen. That conclusion is no longer escape. Mensen als Eddy de Kroes -hij werd drie keer veroordeeld tot een langdurige gevangenisstraf- wisten uit de cel te blijven door topmensen van justitie te confronteren met beeldmateriaal waarop ze in hoogst compromitterende standjes te zien zijn. People like Eddy Kroes-the three times he was sentenced to a lengthy prison-knew from the cell to abide by leaders of Justice to confront with imagery in which they highly compromising stands to be seen. In het geval van de Kroes betrof de chantage Hans Holthuis die het OM met de staart tussen de benen heeft moeten verlaten. In the case of the Kroes was the blackmail Hans Holthuis that the PPS with the tail between his legs had to leave. Holthuis behoorde tot het 'Demmink-netwerk' van pedofiele 'topmensen'. Holthuis belonged to the 'Demmink network' of paedophile 'senior'. Maar ook officieren als Jan Wolter Wabeke (door Bram Peper) en Joost Tonino (topmensen uit het bedrijfsleven komen in beeld zoals Cor Boonstra) lijken het slachtoffer te zijn geworden van dergelijke chantage-praktijken. But officers as Jan Wolter Wabeke (by Bram Peper) and Joost Tonino (from business leaders come into view as Cor Boonstra) seem to have become the victim of blackmail such practices. Een belangrijke aanwijzing hiervoor is dat 'grote zaken' van deze officieren uitdraaiden op (peperdure) mislukkingen terwijl voor iedereen tegelijkertijd ook duidelijk zichtbaar was dat de verdachten guilty waren as hell . An important indication is that 'big business' of these officers uitdraaiden (very expensive) failures while for everyone while also clearly visible was that the defendants were guilty as hell. Maar die chantage kan ook de andere kant op werken en er juist voor zorgen dat onschuldige mensen worden veroordeeld, zoals het geval was bij de Koerdische zakenman Baybasin die levenslang moest slikken omdat Justitie-topman Joris Demmink werd gechanteerd met openbaarmaking van zijn pedo-files als Baybasin niet achter de tralies zou verdwijnen. But that blackmail may also work on the other side and want to ensure that innocent people are convicted, as was the case with the Kurdish Baybasin businessman who had to swallow because lifelong Justice chief executive Joris Demmink was blackmailed with disclosure of his pedo-files as Baybasin not behind bars would disappear. De complete Nederlandse rechtsstaat is inmiddels ontwricht door al die magistraten die hun penis-nijd maar niet weten te beperken tot de echtelijke sponde of desnoods tot een bordeel van standing. The entire Dutch law has been disrupted by all those magistrates that their penis-envy but do not know to be limited to the marital sponde or pinch of standing up to a brothel. Nee, het moet allemaal veel smeriger, in plantsoenen, op achterbanken van dienstauto's, bij sinistere en illegale orgieen met geimporteerde minderarigen. No, it needs much smeriger, in gardens, front and back of official cars, with sinister and illegal orgies with imported minderarigen. Anders krijgen we 'm toch echt niet meer overeind onder onze toga's. Otherwise, we get 'm really no longer prevails among our toga.

Dit alles gezegd zijnde, durven we hier ook best de stelling aan dat Joran van der Sloot nog altijd op vrije voeten is omdat zijn vader Paulus zoveel dirty shit in file heeft over Nederlandse magistraten op de Antillen dat daarmee minimaal drie parlementaire enquetes gevuld zouden kunnen worden. Having said all that, dare we are also the best argument that Joran van der Sloot remains at liberty is because his father Paul so much dirty shit in file about the Dutch Antilles to magistrates that they at least three parliamentary inquiries could be filled . Uit algemeen toegankelijke bronnen komt al zoveel smerigheid naar boven, dat we met gemak kunnen stellen dat het op de Antillen een continue orgie is van copulerende en ejaculerende magistraten die uit verveling en verdorvenheid niet meer weten waar ze hun leuter nu weer moeten instoppen. From publicly available sources is already so much filth to top that we can easily say that the West Indies on a continuous orgy of copulerende and ejaculerende magistrates from boredom and depravity not know where they leuter now must instoppen. Wat te denken van de aan lager wal geraakte crimineel Cor Merx , tot 2005 de topman van het OM op de Antillen, die ten onder ging in een tsunami van corruptie, fraude en sex? Lees hier de (bijna) complete Merx-files waarbij de lezer zich moet beseffen dat het OM -ja, we zijn goed voor onze mensen!- deze Merx nadat hij op de Antillen was uit-geejaculeerd zelfs nog heeft benoemd tot advocaat-generaal te Den Haag. What about the lower shore to hit criminal Cor Merx, until 2005 the CEO of the PPS in the Antilles, which went under in a tsunami of corruption, fraud and sex? Read the (nearly) complete files with the Merx reader must realize that the OM yes, we are good for our people! - this Merx after they entered the West Indies was off geejaculeerd even has appointed attorney-general to The Hague. Is het geen bekend gegeven dat ondergeschikten het gedrag van hun baas nadoen? Is it not a truism that subordinates the behavior of their boss copy? Nou, dan weten we direct wat de gemiddelde Antilliaanse OM'mer als eerste daad van de dag ging doen na het openen van de reeds vermoeide ogen en die daad berof niet het nog eens doornemen van de dossiers van de lopende zaken. Well, we know immediately what the average Antillean OM'mer as the first act of the day was done after the opening of the already tired eyes and act berof not again go through the files of current affairs. Dan zijn daar de -tot dusver nog niet uitgegeven- gedetailleerde beschrijvingen van het hoeren en sloeren door de officier van justitie Ernst Wesselius die in naam der koningin is gestationeerd op Bonaire en lange tijd zelfs verslag deed van zijn ˇinteressante belevenissen˘ op de eilanden in het huisblad van het OM. Then there are the not-yet-issued detailed descriptions of the whores and sloeren by the Public Prosecutor Ernst Wesselius acting in the name of the queen is stationed on Bonaire and long time even reported on his interesting experiences "on the islands the door of the PPS. Ook gechanteerd, dat is voor de ingewijde lezer van de link reeds direct duidelijk. Also extortion, which has been initiated for the reader of the direct link already clear. Dan verdient ook nog te worden genoemd de grootste crimineel uit de geschiedenis van het Nederlandse OM, Frans Pommer , billenmaat van Merx op het parket te Maastricht tot 2000 toen beiden op de Antillen onder de palmbomen gingen liggen relaxen. It also deserves to be called the biggest criminal in the history of the Dutch OM, French Pommer, billenmaat of Merx at the public prosecutor in Maastricht until 2000 when both the West Indies under the palm trees went lie relax. De grond was Pommer in Nederland een beetje heet onder de voeten geworden nadat was gebleken dat hij als officier in een grote drugszaak maar liefst acht observatie-bevelen had vervalst . The ground was Pommer Netherlands in a little hot under the feet become after it was revealed that he as an officer in a major drug issues no less than eight observation orders had falsified. Voor een gewoon burger reden opgeknoopt de worden, maar binnen het OM worden dergelijke vormen van corruptie beloond met een ticktet naar Willemstad. For an ordinary citizen opgeknoopt the reason, but within the OM, such forms of corruption are rewarded with a ticktet to Willemstad. Op de eilanden raakte Pommer die vrijwel geheel uit de media is weten te blijven dermate verstrikt in het bekende web van fraude, sex chantage en corruptie dat het OM niets anders restte dan hem maar weer terug te halen naar Nederland waar hij thans verbonden is aan het parket te Roermond. On the islands became Pommer almost entirely from the media has managed to remain so entangled in the web of known fraud, blackmail, sex and corruption that for nothing else than him but left again to get back to the Netherlands where he is currently connected to the Prosecutor in Roermond.

Goed, in dit gezellige klimaat van geven en nemen was ene Paulus van der Sloot , trotse vader van de ambitieuze Joran, rechter-in-opleiding. Need we say more ? Well, in this cosy atmosphere of give and take was one Paulus van der Sloot, proud father of the ambitious Joran, judge-in-training. Need we say more? Paulus is nog altijd een verdachte in de zaak-Holloway maar erger is nog dat er nooit echt onderzoek is gedaan naar het leven en werk van Paulus op de eilanden. Paul is still a suspect in the Holloway case but worse still is that there never really been done to research the life and work of Paul on the islands. We vermoeden daarom dat Paulus door Justitie op Aruba was gestationeerd als een soort maitre de plaisir zoals we die kennen uit de tijden van het Romeinse keizerrijk en Lodewijk XIV te Versailles met als taak het organiseren van interessante juridische lezingen en jurisprudentie-avondjes. We suspect that by Justice Paul was stationed in Aruba as a sort of maitre de plaisir as we know from the times of the Roman Empire and Louis XIV at Versailles with the task of organising lectures and interesting legal jurisprudence evenings. Met andere woorden: Paulus weet als geen ander welke magistraat zijn leuter op welke dag en in welke strandstoel in welk minderjarig schandknaapje heeft gestoken en hij deinst er als goede vader niet voor terug deze kennis in te zetten ter bescherming van zoonlief. In other words, Paul knows like no other magistrate which are leuter on what day and what a beach chair in which minor schandknaapje and he has put deinst there is not as good father to back this knowledge to be deployed to protect zoonlief. Hiermee lijkt de macabere cirkel van ultieme verdorvenheid helemaal rond: het OM wordt zelfs gechanteerd door de eigen rechterlijke macht ! It seems the ultimate depravity of macabre circle around: the OM is even blackmailed by their own judiciary! Laten we binnenkort eens wat nader gaan kijken naar die andere mysterieuze justitie-figuur over wie eigenlijk nauwelijks iets bekend is: Ernst Hirsch Ballin, minister van justitie. Let us soon agree what further look at those other mysterious justice-figure about whom very little is known fact: Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Minister of Justice.

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« Reply #199 on: May 14, 2015, 02:33:41 PM »

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John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America
 
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