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« Reply #1020 on: August 19, 2017, 08:33:14 PM »

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« Reply #1021 on: August 20, 2017, 12:16:45 AM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/human-remains-natalee-holloway_us_599744f3e4b0e8cc855dc41b

08/18/2017 05:58 pm ET  | Updated 2 hours ago 
No Human Remains Found In Search For Natalee Holloway: Prosecutor
By David Lohr

Dave Holloway, father of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, said on national television this week that he found human bones in Aruba, where his daughter vanished a dozen years ago, and submitted them for DNA testing.

The announcement came just three days before the Saturday premiere of a new TV series featuring Dave Holloway and private investigator T.J. Ward.

“When we determined these remains were human, I was shocked,” Holloway said Wednesday on the “Today” show.

But Holloway’s claim is questionable. Aruba Public Prosecutor Dorean Kardol told HuffPost on Friday that “no human remains were found” in the area Holloway pointed out.

“During an investigation by police in an area indicated by Mr. Holloway, we found remains, but they were found to be from animals,” Kardol said.
 

Dave Holloway’s new TV show, “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway,” premieres Saturday on the Oxygen network.

He told HuffPost on Wednesday that the remains found in Aruba have been brought to the United States for DNA testing. He declined to identify the lab.

“They are in the testing process,” he said, adding that results may take several weeks. “It’s a reputable lab and that’s all I can tell you at this point.”

Holloway said in a text message Friday, after the prosecutor revealed the apparent discrepancy in his earlier statement, that the prosecutor’s comment is misleading. Ward, his TV show partner, “had the evidence and has a report from the lab,” Holloway said. He referred further questions to the Oxygen Network, which didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Removing human remains from Aruba would be illegal without authorization, according Kardol. If that happened, she said her office will consider criminal charges.

The FBI has been unable to locate records of human remains being brought into the U.S. from Aruba in connection with the Natalee Holloway case, a spokesperson for the bureau said.

If Holloway did find the remains of his daughter and remove them for testing, the evidence would be useless in prosecuting the killer. Tampering with evidence violates the so-called chain of custody designed to ensure physical items are preserved in the state they were found.

“If we wanted to take the case to court, we would be in trouble because we could not use that evidence,” Kardol said.

This article has been updated to include Holloway’s latest comment.


So Dave says yes human remains and yet another Prosecutor says no.  Gee, who do I believe?    I will be surprised if it's Natalee but not surprised it's human remains. 

Hi All! As I have posted elsewhere - if you swung a cat on Aruba, it would hit somebody's bones ... folks can be kind of expendable behind that sparkling tourist façade.
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« Reply #1022 on: August 20, 2017, 09:09:18 AM »

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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/International/joran-van-der-sloot-extortion-plot-natalee-holloway/story?id=10824621

Joran van der Sloot Accused of $250K Extortion Scam in Natalee Holloway Case
By JOHN QUINONES RUSSELL GOLDMAN  LIMA, Peru June 4, 2010

 

Van der Sloot and Flores, who was an avid gambler, were playing poker in a Lima casino late Saturday night and Flores was winning big, police said.

Investigators said van der Sloot invited Flores to his room at the Miraflores Hotel Tac to celebrate her winnings. A hotel employee later told police that she heard the couple arguing. Hours later, Flores was dead.

ABC News has learned that her body was not discovered, however, for another four days because van der Sloot had prepaid his room for 14 days and instructed the hotel's front desk not to allow anyone into his room, including the cleaning staff.

Flores' father, Ricardo Flores, is a well known politician and former race car driver in Peru. He was burying his daughter at the same time that van der Sloot was being arrested in Chile. He said that his daughter's death had driven stake through the family's heart.

"It's not just about my daughter," he said. "There's a matter pending in Aruba and we don't know how many more remain unpunished."

"I think God used my daughter as an element so that another soul could rest in peace, so that the parents of this girl can rest in peace too, knowing that somewhere in the world justice was made for the killing of their daughter," Flores said.

"This man cannot continue to be out in the world killing people. This man needs to pay for his crimes," he said.

"Joran was able to laugh at the crime he committed in Aruba," the father said. "But in Peru he will not be able to laugh."
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1023 on: August 20, 2017, 10:45:41 AM »

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« Reply #1024 on: August 20, 2017, 11:59:05 AM »

Dave says a fact that John told Gabriel wasn't known to the public.  Dave knew because one of Deepak and/or Satish's lawyers had talked to him about it in 2005.  TJ agreed that the story has been that Deepak and Satish dropped Joran and Natalee off on the road by the fisherman's huts.  But Dave says he was told in 2005, and Gabriel says John told him, that Joran and Natalee were dropped off on the road by the Marriott that goes down to Moomba Beach.

In the story Gabriel told, after he says they were dropped off he says Joran got two drinks and told them to make one of them a good one (possibly drugged).

I'm wondering now if they're saying he got the drinks from Moomba Beach?  Anywhere else to get a drink right there?  
Would they have still been open after Carlos n Charlie's closed?  
Did Mark Jr. serve up the deadly drink?

Good grief, that would explain some things now wouldn't it?    

C V D L  was a bartender but it may have been after Natalee disappeared  he moved away  right after she became missing
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« Reply #1025 on: August 20, 2017, 12:01:25 PM »

klaasend  Jurriën de Jong wants to join thought on why he doesn't get accepted?

Not accepting any news members.  I'm not really moderating all that much.

Good choice too much fighting  getting stressed again 
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« Reply #1026 on: August 20, 2017, 12:32:11 PM »

Dave says a fact that John told Gabriel wasn't known to the public.  Dave knew because one of Deepak and/or Satish's lawyers had talked to him about it in 2005.  TJ agreed that the story has been that Deepak and Satish dropped Joran and Natalee off on the road by the fisherman's huts.  But Dave says he was told in 2005, and Gabriel says John told him, that Joran and Natalee were dropped off on the road by the Marriott that goes down to Moomba Beach.

In the story Gabriel told, after he says they were dropped off he says Joran got two drinks and told them to make one of them a good one (possibly drugged).

I'm wondering now if they're saying he got the drinks from Moomba Beach?  Anywhere else to get a drink right there? 
Would they have still been open after Carlos n Charlie's closed? 
Did Mark Jr. serve up the deadly drink?

Good grief, that would explain some things now wouldn't it?    

one of the pimps was a bartender but it may have been after Natalee disappeared


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« Reply #1027 on: August 20, 2017, 12:33:55 PM »

2nd Episode

http://www.oxygen.com/the-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway/season-1/the-sting

THE STING

Season 1 | AIR DATE: Aug 26 7/6c | TV-14 | 5 days left
Pursuing a lead that may shed light on his daughter’s disappearance, Dave Holloway and a team of investigators dive into a covert operation. The goal: obtain a taped confession, and evidence that could convict his daughter’s killer.
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« Reply #1028 on: August 20, 2017, 12:56:59 PM »

So, do we have human bones or not?

Dave and TJ seem to think these are human bones - Aruba is saying not human.

Anyone have any idea?
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« Reply #1029 on: August 20, 2017, 01:02:23 PM »

So, do we have human bones or not?

Dave and TJ seem to think these are human bones - Aruba is saying not human.

Anyone have any idea?

For what it's worth:  According to Gabe's supporters on FB, yes they are human, and they are Natalee, and we will know by episode 6.
Edit to add:  One of them also said they wouldn't be doing the documentary if it wasn't her...  okayyyy whatever

I'm watching Episode 2 now, they are talking about Arikok National Park.  
I don't think that's where the recent find was though.
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« Reply #1030 on: August 20, 2017, 01:11:38 PM »

So, do we have human bones or not?

Dave and TJ seem to think these are human bones - Aruba is saying not human.

Anyone have any idea?

For what it's worth:  According to Gabe's supporters on FB, yes they are human, and they are Natalee, and we will know by episode 6.

I'm watching Episode 2 now, they are talking about Arikok National Park. 
I don't think that's where the recent find was though.

I guess I am of the opinion that -

1. Natalee's bones are not going to be lying around where they can be discovered and reveal a violent death.

2. If her bones were simply lying around they would have been discovered years ago.

3. Joran said he didn't know what happened to her after his father got involved. That was one time where he seemed truthful - but only to absolve himself and blame someone else - his father.

4. Natalee could very well still be on Aruba - but she is concealed.

5. The polis seem to know exactly what happened and what became of Natalee - they are keeping that to themselves. They can't unwind time and undo this mess so why open it all back up and cause more economic harm.

I think we're truly back to where we were on day 30 to be honest. Also, I don't think you need to watch 6 episodes to get to the truth. This seems rather bizarre in and of itself.

Getting the forensics should not take 30 plus days - and voila, nothing.
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« Reply #1033 on: August 20, 2017, 01:21:04 PM »

By the way - I loved the "no new members" discussion by TM and Klaas.

Brilliant.

It's a little late to be adding new unknown voices. 
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« Reply #1034 on: August 20, 2017, 01:23:41 PM »

Hope all is well, Rob. Been quite a long journey and I find it hard to believe that this is "the moment" where the journey has its conclusion. Those POS on that island, in my opinion, took care of assuring that she would not be found. And if she was, they would be in full control of the investigation and be able to continue the cover-up that began with Paulus....As we all know, that is JMO. And you know what they say about opinions  I always keep the faith and hold out hope that I am wrong and Dave and Beth will one day have closure and Natalee can come hope to rest..


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« Reply #1035 on: August 20, 2017, 01:34:39 PM »

So, do we have human bones or not?

Dave and TJ seem to think these are human bones - Aruba is saying not human.

Anyone have any idea?

For what it's worth:  According to Gabe's supporters on FB, yes they are human, and they are Natalee, and we will know by episode 6.

I'm watching Episode 2 now, they are talking about Arikok National Park.  
I don't think that's where the recent find was though.

I guess I am of the opinion that -

1. Natalee's bones are not going to be lying around where they can be discovered and reveal a violent death.

2. If her bones were simply lying around they would have been discovered years ago.

3. Joran said he didn't know what happened to her after his father got involved. That was one time where he seemed truthful - but only to absolve himself and blame someone else - his father.

4. Natalee could very well still be on Aruba - but she is concealed.

5. The polis seem to know exactly what happened and what became of Natalee - they are keeping that to themselves. They can't unwind time and undo this mess so why open it all back up and cause more economic harm.

I think we're truly back to where we were on day 30 to be honest. Also, I don't think you need to watch 6 episodes to get to the truth. This seems rather bizarre in and of itself.

Getting the forensics should not take 30 plus days - and voila, nothing.

I'm almost to the end of the second episode.

Now John is telling Gabriel, the grave location isn't in the national park, it's only about a 10 minute walk from his aunt's house, at the very top of the mountain, just dead ends  and it's like a cul de sac where you can turn around.

TJ and the surveillance lady speculate that John may have been suspicious of Gabriel and changed the story, and the first story was really the truth.

Good grief! 

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« Reply #1036 on: August 20, 2017, 01:46:48 PM »

By the way - I loved the "no new members" discussion by TM and Klaas.

Brilliant.

It's a little late to be adding new unknown voices. 

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« Reply #1037 on: August 20, 2017, 01:54:42 PM »

So, do we have human bones or not?

Dave and TJ seem to think these are human bones - Aruba is saying not human.

Anyone have any idea?

For what it's worth:  According to Gabe's supporters on FB, yes they are human, and they are Natalee, and we will know by episode 6.

I'm watching Episode 2 now, they are talking about Arikok National Park.  
I don't think that's where the recent find was though.

I guess I am of the opinion that -

1. Natalee's bones are not going to be lying around where they can be discovered and reveal a violent death.

2. If her bones were simply lying around they would have been discovered years ago.

3. Joran said he didn't know what happened to her after his father got involved. That was one time where he seemed truthful - but only to absolve himself and blame someone else - his father.

4. Natalee could very well still be on Aruba - but she is concealed.

5. The polis seem to know exactly what happened and what became of Natalee - they are keeping that to themselves. They can't unwind time and undo this mess so why open it all back up and cause more economic harm.

I think we're truly back to where we were on day 30 to be honest. Also, I don't think you need to watch 6 episodes to get to the truth. This seems rather bizarre in and of itself.

Getting the forensics should not take 30 plus days - and voila, nothing.


 They were not were simply lying around Joran paid John Ludwick to move them gave a map and told him to burn them..remains were cremated and thrown in the ocean BUT
 John kept a bone or a few bones for himself  .
 Gab became friends with him just to get info..
This took years before John couldn't control himself and told Gab .Then Gab called or gor ahold of Dave Holloway  from what I understand.
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« Reply #1038 on: August 20, 2017, 02:22:04 PM »

Hi Everybody!!! I was almost always a Lurker!!! LOL!!! Every once in a while I would comment, But y'all usually asked what I wanted to know so was content to just read and read and read.  I have once again, become entranced and want very much to see this end with Natalee being found!! I so hope this is IT!!! Back to reading!!!
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« Reply #1039 on: August 20, 2017, 02:33:49 PM »

But the remains WERE "just laying around" buried 3 feet below a cactus for 5 years BEFORE John dug them up. So Rob is saying there is just no way that would have gone unfound with all the searching and dog sniffing that went on in those first 5 years. And I agree. I was very intrigued when the program teased " information unknown to the public". So when Dave admitted that early on he'd had a conversation with the Kalpoe's lawyer and he said that the brothers had dropped Natalee off not by the fishermans huts but on the road beside the Marriot I thought that was pretty important. I was upset to realize that TJ Ward was unaware of this information. I think the potential drop off spot was very important especially early on. It's frustrating to think there is information unknown to the PI that's been investigating this for 12 years! It makes me wonder what else the Kalpoe lawyer said in that private conversation.
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