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« Reply #1400 on: September 19, 2017, 02:04:37 PM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1401 on: September 19, 2017, 02:05:01 PM »

spooky112483 They Joran & Pauls both raped her she had their DNA all over her when she came to Joran put his hand over her mouth until she died. Then they bent her in half to hide her better .. I hate him

Then in 2010 John & Joran
Smashing Natalee head and burning it  while there was still recognizable parts to her on those bones is sick.. Who does that to someone..Taking seven hours with his boy(Joran) to crush her bones to pieces desecrating her body until it was dust ..he need to rot with Joran sorry i'm not buying this BS about he's sorry..This is sickening

Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.
Joran:  We will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Deepak:  Your own father, unbelievable.

This conversation was recorded without the knowlege of the participants as they all three sat in the back seat of a police car
Sorry Blonde I just don't believe that. Paulus would never have raped her on the beach. Is this story coming from Gabe and John? I do not believe one single word of what they say. Not a word. Most likely Joran never told John the truth and if he did John was on drugs and I'm sure has no accurate memory of it.

And I don't believe for one minute that Paulus would tell Joran what he did with the body. He knew that Joran could not keep his mouth shut. If Joran had John dig up some bones, they were probably from one of the dogs that Joran killed.

I have the same reservations, and if Paulus did trust Joran, would Joran have trusted leaving his fate in the hands of John, someone he'd only known three months?  I'd come closer to believing Joran has his hand in this whole mess too, and will benefit if John and Gabe are paid.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1402 on: September 19, 2017, 06:03:54 PM »

I don't know about the rest of you, I know we've all studied some pretty sick stuff trying to find answers to this case and others, but I don't think I can come up with one example of a father/son rape duo. To say they raped her together, took turns, whatever. You are talking about a father and son. It's just so unlikely. After 12 years I think the simplest answer is the correct one. But we don't know! And probably never will! Joran is most definitely where he belongs. Now the ultimate goal is to bring Natalee home. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I've been a Scared Monkey since July of 2005. And respectfully, I don't care how many "sources" anyone thinks they have. I'm just gonna sit back and wait to see if Gabe turns out to be the hero he thinks he is or scammer I think he is. And I wouldn't recommend anyone send any of their hard earned money to his gofundme pages.
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« Reply #1403 on: September 19, 2017, 08:03:17 PM »

I don't know about the rest of you, I know we've all studied some pretty sick stuff trying to find answers to this case and others, but I don't think I can come up with one example of a father/son rape duo. To say they raped her together, took turns, whatever. You are talking about a father and son. It's just so unlikely. After 12 years I think the simplest answer is the correct one. But we don't know! And probably never will! Joran is most definitely where he belongs. Now the ultimate goal is to bring Natalee home. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I've been a Scared Monkey since July of 2005. And respectfully, I don't care how many "sources" anyone thinks they have. I'm just gonna sit back and wait to see if Gabe turns out to be the hero he thinks he is or scammer I think he is. And I wouldn't recommend anyone send any of their hard earned money to his gofundme pages.

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« Reply #1404 on: September 19, 2017, 08:36:02 PM »

I don't know about the rest of you, I know we've all studied some pretty sick stuff trying to find answers to this case and others, but I don't think I can come up with one example of a father/son rape duo. To say they raped her together, took turns, whatever. You are talking about a father and son. It's just so unlikely. After 12 years I think the simplest answer is the correct one. But we don't know! And probably never will! Joran is most definitely where he belongs. Now the ultimate goal is to bring Natalee home. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I've been a Scared Monkey since July of 2005. And respectfully, I don't care how many "sources" anyone thinks they have. I'm just gonna sit back and wait to see if Gabe turns out to be the hero he thinks he is or scammer I think he is. And I wouldn't recommend anyone send any of their hard earned money to his gofundme pages.

Yes, we've definitely seen a lot of really sick things over the years.  Multiple variations on how Natalee died from people who couldn't possibly know, along with the ever changing details of how her body was desecrated in this latest fiasco just hurts my heart.  I'll be so glad when this is over!  It still bugs me knowing that for years to come a lot of people will only remember and believe the latest headline they read from whatever episode...even if it actually turned out to be a lie.  The story doesn't keep changing if it's the truth.  Last I checked, Gabe's gofundme for his daughter had made $1,000.  Some were suggesting another for the money he says they need to go back to Aruba, someone said he needs $100,000, haven't checked to see if another gofundme is out there yet.  The push to get the money before John kills himself (and any definite results from the bone fragments are made public) were just par for the course imo.

 

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1405 on: September 19, 2017, 08:40:21 PM »

I don't know about the rest of you, I know we've all studied some pretty sick stuff trying to find answers to this case and others, but I don't think I can come up with one example of a father/son rape duo. To say they raped her together, took turns, whatever. You are talking about a father and son. It's just so unlikely. After 12 years I think the simplest answer is the correct one. But we don't know! And probably never will! Joran is most definitely where he belongs. Now the ultimate goal is to bring Natalee home. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I've been a Scared Monkey since July of 2005. And respectfully, I don't care how many "sources" anyone thinks they have. I'm just gonna sit back and wait to see if Gabe turns out to be the hero he thinks he is or scammer I think he is. And I wouldn't recommend anyone send any of their hard earned money to his gofundme pages.

I'm with you Spooky 

Me too!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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I don't know about the rest of you, I know we've all studied some pretty sick stuff trying to find answers to this case and others, but I don't think I can come up with one example of a father/son rape duo. To say they raped her together, took turns, whatever. You are talking about a father and son. It's just so unlikely. After 12 years I think the simplest answer is the correct one. But we don't know! And probably never will! Joran is most definitely where he belongs. Now the ultimate goal is to bring Natalee home. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I've been a Scared Monkey since July of 2005. And respectfully, I don't care how many "sources" anyone thinks they have. I'm just gonna sit back and wait to see if Gabe turns out to be the hero he thinks he is or scammer I think he is. And I wouldn't recommend anyone send any of their hard earned money to his gofundme pages.

Yes, we've definitely seen a lot of really sick things over the years.  Multiple variations on how Natalee died from people who couldn't possibly know, along with the ever changing details of how her body was desecrated in this latest fiasco just hurts my heart.  I'll be so glad when this is over!  It still bugs me knowing that for years to come a lot of people will only remember and believe the latest headline they read from whatever episode...even if it actually turned out to be a lie.  The story doesn't keep changing if it's the truth.  Last I checked, Gabe's gofundme for his daughter had made $1,000.  Some were suggesting another for the money he says they need to go back to Aruba, someone said he needs $100,000, haven't checked to see if another gofundme is out there yet.  The push to get the money before John kills himself (and any definite results from the bone fragments are made public) were just par for the course imo.

 




 
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« Reply #1407 on: September 20, 2017, 11:41:43 AM »

Blonde, we all know Natalee was killed in a very unfortunate manner and the people responsible.  



Speaking out loud I thought it was confirmed somewhere that is was Paulus in
 Casino with Natalee earlier in the evening..Was Natalee Targeted by Father & son

Zoltan Zion blogspot this afternoon announcing that a "source" has confirmed that the person in the casino video is definitely Paulus van der Sloot.  Also confirming that Van Der Straaten was definitely at the party at the Sloots after Joran's release from his original detention.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2439.100

We don't know what they did or didn't do fora fact  anyone can clean up evidence when your given over a week to do so.

<snip> He lied straight face to Natalees parents about where he last saw her. Really, things dont add up for him. If he is lying for some other reason, then maybe itll come out. Overall though I think we can all admit this is rather strange behavior for an innocent person. I honestly can care less how much his dad sweats on TV, that tells me nothing. However the lack of eye contact
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1823.80



All I truly believe at this point is Natalee is Dead
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« Reply #1408 on: September 20, 2017, 09:05:36 PM »

Blonde, we all know Natalee was killed in a very unfortunate manner and the people responsible.  

Putting the pieces together

 I didn't say I believe it saw it and posted it
 but without a link, now I know it means nothing.
 
For all we know John can be faking his attempted suicide to get $$$

Speaking out loud I thought it was confirmed somewhere that is was Paulus in
 Casino with Natalee earlier in the evening..Was Natalee Targeted by Father & son

Zoltan Zion blogspot this afternoon announcing that a "source" has confirmed that the person in the casino video is definitely Paulus van der Sloot.  Also confirming that Van Der Straaten was definitely at the party at the Sloots after Joran's release from his original detention.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2439.100

We don't know what they did or didn't do fora fact  anyone can clean up evidence when your given over a week to do so.

<snip> He lied straight face to Natalees parents about where he last saw her. Really, things dont add up for him. If he is lying for some other reason, then maybe itll come out. Overall though I think we can all admit this is rather strange behavior for an innocent person. I honestly can care less how much his dad sweats on TV, that tells me nothing. However the lack of eye contact
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1823.80



All I truly believe at this point is Natalee is Dead

I'm the person that wrote some of that. Not sure where some of the other stuff came from - but none the less - TJ and Armand were two of the people that had inside information on the case and shared it with me. I posted some here and some other places.

It's not a big secret.

Paulus was having an affair with Karen Janssen. All of the other information I posted over the years I totally stand by. And there was quite a bit of it.
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« Reply #1409 on: September 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM »

Since I'm logged in - I'll share my thoughts, quickly.

I didn't watch one minute of the docudrama. Why would I?

I knew TJ wanted a TV show for more than a decade. That's totally ok. He should have had one back in 2008 when the economy collapsed. I'm pretty sure I told you all that too. This isn't a secret, either. I helped him with many aspects. I shared that with Klaas at the time - and probably some others too. There weren't too many secrets in this case.

None of that is shocking. Dragging it out for ratings is shocking.

In my humble opinion, this is not Natalee. But that's just my opinion.
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« Reply #1410 on: September 20, 2017, 10:45:16 PM »

Since I'm logged in - I'll share my thoughts, quickly.

I didn't watch one minute of the docudrama. Why would I?

I knew TJ wanted a TV show for more than a decade. That's totally ok. He should have had one back in 2008 when the economy collapsed. I'm pretty sure I told you all that too. This isn't a secret, either. I helped him with many aspects. I shared that with Klaas at the time - and probably some others too. There weren't too many secrets in this case.

None of that is shocking. Dragging it out for ratings is shocking.

In my humble opinion, this is not Natalee. But that's just my opinion.

Thanks, Rob!  I've been wondering what you were thinking.  I remember you mentioning TJ and TV, just wish he'd gone with another subject.  Most that I've seen gobbling up the whole thing and hankering for the next episode didn't follow Natalee's case like we have.  I wish I hadn't watched any of it.  The feeling I have reminds me of the Tim Miller radio show let down multiplied by six episodes!  I don't think it's her either, and dragging it out for ratings is just wrong imo. 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1411 on: September 20, 2017, 11:48:49 PM »

Since I'm logged in - I'll share my thoughts, quickly.

I didn't watch one minute of the docudrama. Why would I?

I knew TJ wanted a TV show for more than a decade. That's totally ok. He should have had one back in 2008 when the economy collapsed. I'm pretty sure I told you all that too. This isn't a secret, either. I helped him with many aspects. I shared that with Klaas at the time - and probably some others too. There weren't too many secrets in this case.

None of that is shocking. Dragging it out for ratings is shocking.

In my humble opinion, this is not Natalee. But that's just my opinion.

Thanks, Rob!  I've been wondering what you were thinking.  I remember you mentioning TJ and TV, just wish he'd gone with another subject.  Most that I've seen gobbling up the whole thing and hankering for the next episode didn't follow Natalee's case like we have.  I wish I hadn't watched any of it.  The feeling I have reminds me of the Tim Miller radio show let down multiplied by six episodes!  I don't think it's her either, and dragging it out for ratings is just wrong imo.  



Hope all is well, Rob. Thanks for bringing sanity to this unfortunate situation for so long. The Monkey's have had to parse a lot of bullsh*t over the years.

Most people know far more than I when it comes to Natalee Holloway and her case. One thing I do know how to do is: Pay attention to those who know more than I, parse through the Bullsh*t and use logic and reasoning, ignore the manufactured noise that takes away from the "main point," and then rinse and repeat. We've all been here long enough to be able to parse through the bullsh*t. However, we all keep the faith that one day a miracle happens. God knows I believe in em'.
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« Reply #1412 on: September 21, 2017, 06:36:57 AM »

Since I'm logged in - I'll share my thoughts, quickly.

I didn't watch one minute of the docudrama. Why would I?

I knew TJ wanted a TV show for more than a decade. That's totally ok. He should have had one back in 2008 when the economy collapsed. I'm pretty sure I told you all that too. This isn't a secret, either. I helped him with many aspects. I shared that with Klaas at the time - and probably some others too. There weren't too many secrets in this case.

None of that is shocking. Dragging it out for ratings is shocking.

In my humble opinion, this is not Natalee. But that's just my opinion.

I know you helped TJ a lot and you know him better than any of us do.  I have not watched any of this docudrama either.   I agree, this is not Natalee and I'm somewhat surprised Dave allowed himself to be sucked in.

 
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« Reply #1413 on: September 21, 2017, 11:55:04 AM »

Hey Monkeys.    Long time. 

I see the shit show continues on One Crappy Island.  I bit hard on this one. 
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« Reply #1414 on: September 21, 2017, 03:55:05 PM »

The bone fragments:

http://www.oxygen.com/blogs/first-look-here-are-the-bone-fragments-being-tested-for-a-possible-natalee-holloway-match

 
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« Reply #1415 on: September 21, 2017, 04:04:19 PM »

Since I'm logged in - I'll share my thoughts, quickly.

I didn't watch one minute of the docudrama. Why would I?

I knew TJ wanted a TV show for more than a decade. That's totally ok. He should have had one back in 2008 when the economy collapsed. I'm pretty sure I told you all that too. This isn't a secret, either. I helped him with many aspects. I shared that with Klaas at the time - and probably some others too. There weren't too many secrets in this case.

None of that is shocking. Dragging it out for ratings is shocking.

In my humble opinion, this is not Natalee. But that's just my opinion.
I agree as well! I've stated that I don't have any grudge whatsoever with TJ -- but I do regret his TV aspirations manifested themselves via Natalee. I DO believe he has wanted to find Natalee as much as anyone and has been a great help to Dave.
That said......... if you step back and look at it -- Aruba has always had Natalee and will only release her if and when they are ready. I sure as hell don't think they are "ready." In fact, this wild goose chase inwhich they appear to be cooperating is a sham and further bolsters their own story that they "don't know what happened to her." It's all so sad and frustrating.
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« Reply #1416 on: September 21, 2017, 05:18:47 PM »

Hey Monkeys.    Long time. 

I see the shit show continues on One Crappy Island.  I bit hard on this one. 

Good to see you wingnut, it's been too long!   

I'd love to know what you're thinking!   

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1417 on: September 21, 2017, 05:26:21 PM »

Since I'm logged in - I'll share my thoughts, quickly.

I didn't watch one minute of the docudrama. Why would I?

I knew TJ wanted a TV show for more than a decade. That's totally ok. He should have had one back in 2008 when the economy collapsed. I'm pretty sure I told you all that too. This isn't a secret, either. I helped him with many aspects. I shared that with Klaas at the time - and probably some others too. There weren't too many secrets in this case.

None of that is shocking. Dragging it out for ratings is shocking.

In my humble opinion, this is not Natalee. But that's just my opinion.

I know you helped TJ a lot and you know him better than any of us do.  I have not watched any of this docudrama either.   I agree, this is not Natalee and I'm somewhat surprised Dave allowed himself to be sucked in.

 

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1418 on: September 24, 2017, 03:47:42 PM »

Ok did anyone watch the series last night?
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« Reply #1419 on: September 24, 2017, 05:51:41 PM »

Ok did anyone watch the series last night?

i saw today, John Ludwick just cant fig out what is with the dude
def lying about the pet cem, IIRC the aruba le looked there with
cadaver dogs  in 2011 for Robyn Gardner.
John knows something what i cant fig b/c of his lies
John saving some of the remains, was that insurance in case sloot
got weird on him, sloots trip to peru and arrest would have took
care of a fear of retaliation, so why not come clean during the peru
trial. i just dont get it,maybe what ever John feared, he dosent now

hope the remains are Natalee, the fam, need closure
if not Natalee, the DNA needs to go into the databases
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