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Quote from: cw618 on October 19, 2017, 08:13:48 PM
JMO,more JL & GM bs
started in a place behind JL aunt house
then a bone/s were under a wall in baggie
now rest of remains are under a concrete slab
@ VDS house
will aruba LE check it out?
JMO, no, if they do they be dog bones, all bones
found in aruba are animal/dog bones
Three were dog bones, one was human Aruba Police said they were all animal bones..
I think when Dave had them tested one was human but who's why under the a concrete slab because National Enquirer posted something and john read it lol
under the a concrete slab VDS house maybe Joran killed more then dogs???
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/missing-aruba-woman-robyn-gardner-buried-alive-giordano/
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A day or two after that John Ludwick "found" those 4 small pieces of bones that John had supposedly hidden under that wall. The pieces Dave had tested and Robyn's sister is going to have tested.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?347200-Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-18-Oranjestad-30-May-2005-2&p=13703606#post13703606
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Simple fact.
Robyn Gardner went missing Aug 2, 2011, so we know she wasn't under any concrete poured at the VDS's in 2005.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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https://www.facebook.com/greta/posts/1871638556184329
Greta Van Susteren
October 3 at 10:25am ·
IS THIS A TERRIBLE STUNT BY OXYGEN? NATALEE’S MOTHER HAS SUFFERED SO MUCH AND NOW THIS?
Oxygen has been running a series in which it claims some fragments found might be Natalee Holloway giving Natalee’s mother and friends hope for closure. I had hoped that Oxygen was on to something. Closure is important to the friends and family.
But here is where it becomes a lousy stunt: I think Oxygen could have tested the fragments and gotten the results BEFORE they aired the series and concluded that it was not Natalee. Instead they dragged it out...and planted all sorts of p/r stories about their series in the media as though they had solved it.
Why didn’t they test first? I think I know why. What do you think?
I imagine this is extremely painful for Beth Holloway. I know that Natalee’s Father was part of this series and I don’t know what he was told or not told going into it.
And by the way, don’t say I did the same — I never did this. At all times I was pounding the pavement for facts and traveled from Aruba to Thailand to Peru chasing the facts. If I had had bone fragments like Oxygen says it did, I would have tested the bone fragments FIRST before putting on a big series like Oxygen did and of course, creating that false hope.
One other thing....I continue to work on this story. I still think it can be solved.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: texasmom on October 19, 2017, 10:26:45 PM
https://www.facebook.com/greta/posts/1871638556184329
Greta Van Susteren
October 3 at 10:25am ·
IS THIS A TERRIBLE STUNT BY OXYGEN? NATALEE’S MOTHER HAS SUFFERED SO MUCH AND NOW THIS?
Oxygen has been running a series in which it claims some fragments found might be Natalee Holloway giving Natalee’s mother and friends hope for closure. I had hoped that Oxygen was on to something. Closure is important to the friends and family.
But here is where it becomes a lousy stunt: I think Oxygen could have tested the fragments and gotten the results BEFORE they aired the series and concluded that it was not Natalee. Instead they dragged it out...and planted all sorts of p/r stories about their series in the media as though they had solved it.
Why didn’t they test first? I think I know why. What do you think?
I imagine this is extremely painful for Beth Holloway. I know that Natalee’s Father was part of this series and I don’t know what he was told or not told going into it.
::rhino::And by the way, don’t say I did the same — I never did this. At all times I was pounding the pavement for facts and traveled from Aruba to Thailand to Peru chasing the facts. If I had had bone fragments like Oxygen says it did, I would have tested the bone fragments FIRST before putting on a big series like Oxygen did and of course, creating that false hope.
One other thing....I continue to work on this story. I still think it can be solved.
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I'm glad Greta offered her comments.
sheesh. do I understand that TJ has a sex offender working for him?
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Why did they have to disappear her body?
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Quote from: texasmom on October 19, 2017, 10:25:45 PM
Simple fact.
Robyn Gardner went missing Aug 2, 2011, so we know she wasn't under any concrete poured at the VDS's in 2005.
Was there any concrete poured at the VDS's in 2005.
I don't remember this someone help me remember
I looked at all my pictures
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Quote from: Blonde on October 21, 2017, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: texasmom on October 19, 2017, 10:25:45 PM
Simple fact.
Robyn Gardner went missing Aug 2, 2011, so we know she wasn't under any concrete poured at the VDS's in 2005.
Was there any concrete poured at the VDS's in 2005.
I don't remember this someone help me remember
I looked at all my pictures
Yes, it has been mentioned here a lot over the years. I'm sure if they didn't find it for themselves, someone helped them out with "research".
From Portrait of a Monster
https://books.google.com/books?id=32w_HlivzIEC&pg=PA242&lpg=PA242&dq=natalee+holloway%2Bconcrete+poured+at+the+vandersloot+house&source=bl&ots=y_9abP4I-Y&sig=UAqP0yNHtxZDe_ozE0P2xONste4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzwtKkl4LXAhWFYyYKHTD5AsIQ6AEIWTAL#v=onepage&q=natalee%20holloway%2Bconcrete%20poured%20at%20the%20vandersloot%20house&f=false
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: msmarple on October 21, 2017, 04:40:12 AM
I'm glad Greta offered her comments.
sheesh. do I understand that TJ has a sex offender working for him?
Me too about Greta!
That's my understanding about Edward Kramer. The more I read about him, the more sickened I am.
https://www.gwinnettcourts.com/casesearch/casedetail.aspx?KJvYk4uMNOawV3BUaHcVZQ
Case Number: 03-B-03561-5 Filing Date: Thursday, October 23, 2003
Case Type: Indictment Disposition: Judgment Withheld
Category: Disposition Date: Monday, December 9, 2013
Court: Superior Court Criminal Disposition Manner:
Filing Type: Sexual Offense Official: Judge Karen E Beyers
Edward Eliot Kramer (Defendant)
2480 Honeycomb Way, Duluth, GA 30096. DOB Year: 1961, Race: White/hispanic, Gender: Male
John H Carmichael (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: CARMICHAEL, Tel: (310) 367-5432
Walt M Britt (Former Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 083237, Tel: (770) 271-2991
Robert L Barr, Jr. (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 039475, Tel: (770) 836-1776
Edwin Marger (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 470400, Tel: (706) 692-3060
Brian Steel (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 677640, Tel: (404) 605-0023
Mcneill Stokes (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 683600, Tel: (404) 352-2144
Edward Eliot Kramer
COUNT 1
Aggravated Child Molestation on 07/02/2000. Code 16-6-4(C), Aggravated Child Molestation. Aggravated Child Molestation. Nolle Prosequi (Nol Pros) on 12/02/2013.
COUNT 2
Child Molestation on 07/02/2000. Code 16-6-4(A), Child Molestation. Child Molestation. Adjudication Withheld on 12/02/2013.
Sentenced on 12/02/2013: First Offender-Time to Serve. Fines and surcharges of $50.00. Probation of 15 Years. Confinement of 5 years. CFTS.
COUNT 3
Child Molestation on 07/02/2000. Code 16-6-4(A), Child Molestation. Child Molestation. Nolle Prosequi (Nol Pros) on 12/02/2013.
COUNT 4
Child Molestation on 01/01/1999. Code 16-6-4, Child Molestation. Child Molestation. Adjudication Withheld on 12/02/2013.
Sentenced on 12/02/2013: First Offender-Time to Serve. Probation of 15 Years. Confinement of 5 years. CONC / CT 2.
COUNT 5
Aggravated Child Molestation on 01/19/1996. Code 16-6-4(C), Aggravated Child Molestation. Aggravated Child Molestation. Nolle Prosequi (Nol Pros) on 12/02/2013.
COUNT 6
Child Molestation on 01/15/1996. Code 16-6-4(A), Child Molestation. Child Molestation. Adjudication Withheld on 12/02/2013.
Sentenced on 12/02/2013: First Offender-Time to Serve. Probation of 15 Years. Confinement of 5 years. CONC / CT 2, 4.
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2014-03-04 - Transcript NEGOTIATED GUILTY PLEA 12-02-13
2014-03-12 - Order Denying Motion FOR CONTEMPT Judge
2017-03-22 - Motion: Other MOTION TO DISQUALITY INDIVIDUALS IN 14A-09558 - REBA Attorney For Defendant
2017-03-22 - Motion: Other MOTION TO CORRECT VOID SENTENCE - REBA Attorney For Defendant
2017-04-03 - Order of Recusal Judge
2017-04-11 - Order of Recusal RECUSAL OF THE ENTIRE GWINNETT SUPERIOR COURT BENCH Judge
2017-04-28 - Order of Recusal ASSIGNMENT OF A JUDGE Judge
2017-05-08 - Response to Motion STATE'S RESPONSETO DEF MOTION TO DISQUALIFY ALL INDIVIDUALS District Attorney
2017-05-08 - Response to Motion STATE'S RESPONSETO DEF MOTION TO CORRECT A VOID SENTENCE District Attorney
https://www.gwinnettcourts.com/casesearch/casedetail.aspx?l/gWkjCT9L3HKu0ha//bkg
Case Number: 00-B-03771-5 Filing Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2000
Case Type: Indictment Disposition: Nolle Prosequi
Category: Disposition Date: Monday, December 2, 2013
Court: Superior Court Criminal Disposition Manner:
Filing Type: Sexual Offense Official: Judge Karen E Beyers
Party Information
Edward Eliot Kramer (Defendant)
Mcneill Stokes (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 683600, Tel: (404) 352-2144
John H Carmichael (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: CARMICHAEL, Tel: (310) 367-5432
Walt M Britt (Former Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 083237, Tel: (770) 271-2991
James S Altman (Former Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 014085, Tel: (404) 526-8868
Deborah F Weiss (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 746474, Tel: (770) 271-2991
Edwin Marger (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 470400, Tel: (706) 692-3060
Robert L Barr, Jr. (Attorney For Defendant)
Bar #: 039475, Tel: (770) 836-1776
Charge/Sentence
Edward Eliot Kramer
COUNT 1
Child Molestation on 07/02/2000. Code 16-6-4(C), Aggravated Child Molestation. Aggravated Offense. Nolle Prosequi (Nol Pros) on 12/02/2013.
COUNT 2
Child Molestation on 07/02/2000. Code 16-6-4(A), Child Molestation. Nolle Prosequi (Nol Pros) on 12/02/2013.
COUNT 3
Child Molestation on 07/02/2000. Code 16-6-4(A), Child Molestation. Nolle Prosequi (Nol Pros) on 12/02/2013.
COUNT 4
Child Molestation on 01/01/1999. Code 16-6-4(A), Child Molestation. Nolle Prosequi (Nol Pros) on 12/02/2013.
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2013-08-23 - Motion: Other TO HAVE DEFENDANT
MEDICALLY & PSYCHOLOGIALLY
EVALUATED Attorney For Defendant
2013-12-02 - Motion for Nolle Prosequi District Attorney
2013-12-02 - Nolle Prosequi Judge
He took an Alford plea from what I've read to some of the charges. I've started trying to study it and put the pieces in order a few times, but keep walking away from it. It just makes me sick!
Looks like he definitely played the system to his advantage though imo.
I've wondered how his victims lives have been while he drug this out for so many years.
Edit to add:
http://state.sor.gbi.ga.gov/Sort_Public/OffenderDetails.aspx
Georgia Sex Offender Registry
Name:
First Name EDWARD
Middle Name ELIOT
Last Name KRAMER
Suffix
Aliases:
KRAMER, EDWARD
KRAMER, EDWARD E
Gender/Race/YOB:
Gender: Male
Race: White
Year of Birth 1961
Primary/Last Known Address:
2480 HONEYCOMB WAY
DULUTH, GA 30096
County: GWINNETT
Physical Description:
Height: 5 FT 7 IN
Weight: 210 LBS
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Conviction Date Conviction State Offense
12/02/2013 Georgia CHILD MOLESTATION
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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wreck, the eyes of Texas are upon you!
Edit to add: Congratulations! Good game!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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In the Oxygen series, Ludwick said he helped dig up and dispose of Holloway’s remains years after her death. It was Ludwick and Madrigal who provided four bone fragments to authorities. Of them, only one was human. The other three were found to be animal bones. It’s unclear where the bones originated.
During the TV series, Madrigal said Ludwick told him several stories, including one that indicated the remains had been buried in an Aruban pet cemetery.
When Holloway was ruled out as a match, Internet sleuths were quick to point out similarities between the pet cemetery story and a report about Gardner’s death. That report surfaced in an October 2011 article by The National Enquirer, which claimed authorities received “an anonymous but credible phone tip” that she was buried in a dog’s grave.
While the similarities in the two stories are undeniable, it’s just as likely that Ludwick was aware of The National Enquirer story.
In the event the bone does belong to Gardner, authorities will be very interested in speaking with Ludwick and Madrigal, according to Ward.
“If those remains come back and [are] linked to Robyn Gardner and they were in their hands … I guarantee the FBI will snatch ’em up,” Ward told HuffPost last week.
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Contacted by HuffPost on Thursday, Madrigal said he’s not concerned with Ward or the FBI.
“There is a catch to all this,” he said. “Nobody knows this because they’re all too f***ing stupid to listen. Yes, [Ward] is a private investigator, but he don’t know his ass from his face. Does he know where the bones came from? No. Did he bother to ask? No. If he had a f***ing clue he would know all this shit.”
Madrigal now claims Ludwick told him the bones came from a particular spot in van der Sloot’s yard, before a cement slab was poured in that area sometime in 2005. Madrigal said he’s already provided that and other information to the FBI.
“The FBI knows everything I do – every move,” Madrigal said. “The only thing the FBI has said is, ‘Gabriel, you’re f***ing crazy.’ But I believe I’m going to find her. [Ludwick] gave me a lot of hints. He gave me 12 clues. I put the clues together and I know. I’m going to do this. I won’t quit.”
While the TV series appears to have created more drama than it did actual evidence as to Holloway’s whereabouts, Gardner’s sister is hoping it will ultimately lead to answers in her sister’s case.
“I have hope that this may be Robyn’s remains and that my family can find closure,” Colson-Unglesbee told HuffPost. “I think about Robyn every day and will continue to think about my memories of her for the rest of my life.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robyn-gardners-sister-having-human-bone-found-in-aruba-dna-tested_us_59e901d0e4b0f9d35bc959fc?ng
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Missing from Aruba
https://www.visitaruba.com/about-aruba/aruba-news/missing-persons/
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Happy Birthday Natalee
I pray someday someone can bring you Home
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She would have turned 31 today.
https://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing/photos/a.153914934626992.33388.123013127717173/125690517449434/?type=1&theater
Happy Birthday, Natalee!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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https://www.facebook.com/VoteMattSimpson/photos/a.518974221828311.1073741829.513256362400097/536583230067410/?type=3&permPage=1
Matt Simpson for House 96
September 7 ·
What a great campaign kickoff by United Way of Baldwin County, Alabama. Beth Holloway was an incredible speaker. It was heartbreaking to hear her story of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba and all she went through. Her message of hope and how a community coming together to overcome adversity and make something positive of a difficult situation was inspiring.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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June 17, 2005 · Edited · ·
searching for Natalee Holloway in Aruba
I hope the recent find in Aruba Brings closure to her Mom and Dad — in Aruba.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=767652143406445&set=p.767652143406445&type=3&theater
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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wreck, the eyes of Texas are upon you!
Edit to add: Congratulations! Good game!
Thanks ...... we squeaked it out! Texas is on it's way to coming back to prominence....... you have the right QB for the future (but, he sure threw that game away!)
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Quote from: wreck on October 22, 2017, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: texasmom on October 21, 2017, 12:43:39 PM
wreck, the eyes of Texas are upon you!
Edit to add: Congratulations! Good game!
Thanks ...... we squeaked it out! Texas is on it's way to coming back to prominence....... you have the right QB for the future (but, he sure threw that game away!)
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -
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Pretty sure this is John Ludwick's aunt. Picture at the link below has John in it too.
https://www.facebook.com/mary.e.walter.7
Mary Ellen Walter
Intro
Worked at retired FCPS teacher
Studied Health & Physical Education at Virginia Tech
Studied Health and Phys Ed at James Madison University
Went to Thomas A. Edison High
From Alexandria, Virginia
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212861840926821&set=p.10212861840926821&type=3&permPage=1
Mary Ellen Walter
May 6 ·
https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18237819_10212861840926821_2399859178897848862_o.jpg?oh=014e6dce41a56a6711687b01fb4fabb7&oe=5A79C354
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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I haven't figured out exactly what the relationship is, but Mary Ellen Walter is connected to Jaime Ligna.
They have a mutual address in Va. (it's in her name, I think it may have been her mother's home), and "his house" in Aruba looks a lot like what I recall of hers from what I recall from the series (I haven't gone back through the episodes to try to find it again).
I've seen some references of her being aka Mary Ellen Ligna, but nothing to confirm if she was ever married to a Ligna or not...yet.
http://www.co.northumberland.va.us/cgi-bin/landbook/lbshowrec.cgi?18002
Land Records Detail Report
Map Number: 44-E(1)--6-
Owner Name: WALTER MARY ELLEN OR
Co-owner Name: JAIME LIGNA
Address 1: 5958 CLAMES DR
Address 2:
City, State Zip: ALEXANDRIA, VA 22310
E911 Address:
Property Description 1: SOUTHGATE LOT 6
Property Description 2: DB609-420
Acres: 0.9200
Land Value: 140900
Improvements Values: 0
Total Value: 140900
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaime-ligna-960b215
Jaime Ligna
Real estate Broker
ArubaReal Estate
Current
Coastal Ridge Realty
Previous
ICF Consulting
Education
George Mason University
https://www.facebook.com/jaime.ligna
Intro
Worked at Coastal Ridge Realty
Studied at George Mason University
Lives in Alexandria, Virginia
https://www.facebook.com/jaime.ligna/posts/10212918999187060
Jaime Ligna added 5 new photos.
July 29 ·
Nice morning, I having seen my place in 5 year !
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212918997827026&set=a.10200250806410158.191235.1152865203&type=3&permPage=1
Jaime Ligna
July 29
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212918997827026&set=a.10200250806410158.191235.1152865203&type=3&permPage=1
Jaime Ligna
July 29
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212918997467017&set=a.10200250806410158.191235.1152865203&type=3&permPage=1
Jaime Ligna
July 29
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212918996666997&set=a.10200250806410158.191235.1152865203&type=3&permPage=1
Jaime Ligna
July 29
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/02/prweb2126354.htm
Coastal Ridge Realty Launches Website for Aruba Real Estate
Coastal Ridge Realty's mission is to provide a better service to the Aruba real estate market.
Coastal Ridge Realty
ARUBA (VOCUS)
FEBRUARY 20, 2009
After studying and evaluating the real estate market in Aruba over a two and a half year period of time, in 2007 the company was established to provide opportunities to sell, buy, or rent property on the beautiful island of Aruba located in the Dutch Caribbean. Coastal Ridge Realty's mission is to provide a better service to the Aruba real estate market.
This vision to expand into real estate in Aruba was originated by
Jaime Ligna
, a former Vice President of Real Estate Sales and Lending with a major banking institution in the United States, who has more than 15 years experience in this industry. He opened this Aruba real estate company to help investors allocate and expand their investment opportunities abroad by acquiring both property and land in Aruba as well as various residential development projects on the island. In addition, he will also help you through Coastal Ridge Realty to obtain your little piece of Aruba that you have always desired.
This Caribbean island attracts many visitors yearly who first come to Aruba for its unique climate, beautiful pristine white beaches, friendly people, and the security which Aruba offers. Therefore, the market for Aruba real estate is very affordable for most travelers as many of them are repeat visitors who are now either living in Aruba or moving to Aruba.
Coastal Ridge Realty strives to provide service to meet the real estate needs of both the foreign and local markets in order to best sell, buy, or rent their houses or to purchase property land in Aruba. The primary market focuses on international clientele who often purchase vacation homes or property land for building their own dream home here in Aruba.
Coastal Ridge Realty also offers the expertise of an Aruban-based, commercial construction company with over 15 years of experience as a general contractor, construction manager and design builder to assist your real estate needs. Their specialties include interior and exterior renovations, remodeling, building additions and ground up construction of new buildings and houses.
Coastal Ridge Realty is located at Palm Beach in Aruba. Conveniently, it is within walking distance from the major high-rise hotels, pristine beaches, variety of restaurants and shopping. A fairly new shopping center called Paseo Herencia is nearby which offers cinemas, TGIF Friday, Moby Dick restaurant, A Taste of Belgium Café, and a variety of specialty shops. Also the brand new South Beach Centre has just completed construction with the Hard Rock Café Aruba already open but soon to open will be Carvel Ice Cream and Cinnabon. Several restaurants are already in operation to suit to your every taste from Seafood, Steaks, Italian, Mexican and much more.
Whether you are looking for waterfront property or perhaps a scenic view of the island of Aruba, Coastal Ridge Realty is here to service you so you can relax and enjoy your home away from home here in the Caribbean. Better yet you can just come to Aruba and stay. Our real estate agents are multi-lingual and can speak the following languages: English, Dutch, Spanish, French, German, and Papiamento.
ARUBA is one Happy Island in the Caribbean! For anyone looking for real estate in Aruba, Coastal Ridge Realty is happy to assist.
###
Contact Author
JAIME LIGNA
Coastal Ridge Realty
703-598-0797 USA
Email >
JAIME LIGNA
Coastal Ridge Realty
297-586-6775 Aruba
https://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php
Sunday, October 22, 2017 11:16
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 DECEMBER 2007 under serial number 36890.0 is the company with the tradename:
COASTAL RIDGE REALTY
Business address SOLITO 8, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company COASTAL RIDGE REALTY N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation
18 DECEMBER 2007
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
ELJO DEVELOPMENT N.V.;
Business address SOLITO 8, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective
17 MAY 2017
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
(google translation)
1. DE (BREAKDOWN) DEVELOPMENT, ON- AND SALE, MANAGEMENT AND RENTAL OF IMMOVABLE GOODS;
2. OPERATION AS MAKER AND PROJECT DEVELOPER.
https://www.arubachamber.com/templates/kvk/view_extract.php
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 29 APRIL 1992 under serial number 13335.0 is the company with the tradename:
BOUW-BEDRIJF CARIBBEAN
Business address SOLITO 8, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company
ELJO DEVELOPMENT N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 27 APRIL 1992
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
OUWERKERK, NICOLAAS;
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, LEIDEN on 03 FEBRUARY 1948
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 01 MARCH 1999
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
A. ACTION AS PROJECT DESIGNER IN GENERAL, MORE IN PARTICULAR OF BUILDING PROJECTS;
B. DESIGN, MAKING, REQUIRING, PERFORMING AND CARRIING OUT BUILDING PROJECTS;
C. DIRECT OR INDIRECT INVESTMENT OF HER RESOURCES IN IMMOVABLE GOODS AND RIGHTS, OBTAINING, PROVIDING, RENTING, RENTING, PURCHASING, DISAPPOINTING, REMOVAL, DRYING, DEVELOPING, IMPROVING, PROCESSING, BUILDING, SELLING OR OTHERWISE ALREADY PROMOTED, DISTRIBUTED OR OTHERWISE AFFECTED OF IMMOVABLE GOODS AND INSTALLATION OF INFRASTRUCTURAL WORKS, SUCH AS ROADS, LEADS, AND SIMILAR WORKS ON IMMOVABLE GOODS;
D. EXPERIENCE OF MAKELAARDIJ IN THE SMALLEST SIN DES WOORDS;
E. TRADE IN BUILDING MATERIALS AND MACHINERIES, IN PARTICULAR BUILDING MATERIALS AND MACHINERY REQUIRED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF BUILDING PROJECTS AND GROUNDS;
F. PARTICIPANTS IN ANY OTHER WAY TO INTEREST ON OR CONTROL OF OTHER COMPANIES AND UNDERTAKINGS WITH ANY OR ANY PURPOSE, OR EASILY, MAY BE PROVIDED TO THAT OF THE COMPANY;
G. TRADE IN IMMOVABLE GOODS AND GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS RELATING TO TRANSACTIONS IN IMMOVABLE GOODS.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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