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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -  (Read 479418 times)
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #1560 on: October 23, 2017, 06:46:10 AM »

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1561 on: October 23, 2017, 04:35:41 PM »

I haven't figured out exactly what the relationship is, but Mary Ellen Walter is connected to Jaime Ligna.
They have a mutual address in Va. (it's in her name, I think it may have been her mother's home), and "his house" in Aruba looks a lot like what I recall of hers from what I recall from the series (I haven't gone back through the episodes to try to find it again).
I've seen some references of her being aka Mary Ellen Ligna, but nothing to confirm if she was ever married to a Ligna or not...yet.
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« Reply #1562 on: October 23, 2017, 05:54:02 PM »

Texasmom - I emailed you some information from Blonde.  I know you don't check that email often so figured I'd better let you know 
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« Reply #1563 on: October 23, 2017, 06:10:37 PM »

Texasmom - I emailed you some information from Blonde.  I know you don't check that email often so figured I'd better let you know 

Thank you!  I'll check it.   

And thank you too, Blonde!    
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1564 on: October 23, 2017, 07:01:13 PM »

SISTER OF MISSING WOMAN ROBYN GARDNER THINKS HUMAN BONE FOUND IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY SEARCH COULD BE HERS
A human bone found in Aruba during an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was tested and does not belong to the 18-year-old who went missing in 2005 -- but a new DNA test may link the bone to missing Maryland woman Robyn Gardner.

Gardner’s sister, Danielle Colson-Unglesbee, said she will be submitting her DNA for tests to determine if the bone could be a match for Gardner. "I'm going to submit my DNA in the next few days to see if there's a match," she told Huffington Post.

The bone belongs to “a single individual” believed to be “a Caucasian European,” according to a former forensic laboratory director Jason Kolowski.



Gardner was 35 years old when she went missing in 2011 on vacation with a man she met through an online dating site, People reports. He told police Gardner was swept away by a strong current while they were snorkeling together.

She is one of four Americans to go missing in the Caribbean in recent years, according to the Huffington Post. Her body was never found, and no arrests have been made. Many similarities exist between Holloway’s case and Gardner's. Both were American women who disappeared mysteriously in the same small town in Aruba.

Holloway was 18 years old when she went on vacation in the Caribbean, where she was celebrating her high school graduation with friends. There, she met a man named Joran van der Sloot, who was later questioned by police for possible involvement in her disappearance but was released due to a lack of evidence. She grew up in Mountain Brook, Alabama and has been missing since 2005.


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« Reply #1565 on: October 24, 2017, 11:01:51 AM »

texasmom - thanks for replying re. Edward Kramer. He looks like a real creep ...
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« Reply #1566 on: October 24, 2017, 03:34:38 PM »

texasmom - thanks for replying re. Edward Kramer. He looks like a real creep ...


You're welcome!  And I agree.   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1567 on: October 25, 2017, 06:23:05 PM »

Robyn Gardner’s Sister To Have Human Bone Found In Aruba DNA-Tested
The bone was found during a recent search for Natalee Holloway.


By David Lohr


Robyn Gardner has been missing in Aruba since August 2011.
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Scientists soon will be able to compare DNA extracted from a human bone, found during an investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, to missing Maryland native Robyn Gardner.
“I am going to submit my DNA in the next few days to see if there is a match,” Gardner’s sister, Danielle Colson-Unglesbee, told HuffPost.
The human bone was found during the filming of a TV series on the Oxygen network called “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway.” The show followed the missing teen’s father and private investigator T.J. Ward while they chased leads in Aruba.
Earlier this month, DNA testing ruled out the bone being Holloway’s.
“It is a single individual [to] whom we believe there is a Caucasian European ethnicity attached,” Jason Kolowski, a former forensic laboratory director of the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences, told HuffPost.

Gardner is one of at least four Americans who have gone missing on the Caribbean island in recent years.
People have long drawn comparisons between the cases of Gardner and Holloway. The American tourists both vanished from the same small town in Aruba.
Holloway, 18, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, disappeared on May 30, 2005, while celebrating her high school graduation with classmates in Aruba.
Gardner, of Bethesda, Maryland, was last seen on Aug. 2, 2011, at an Oranjestad resort and casino. The 35-year-old had been traveling with Gary Giordano, then 50, who she’d reportedly met through an online dating website. Giordano, a Maryland businessman, told police they were snorkeling in the typically tranquil waters off Baby Beach when Gardner was swept away by strong currents.


A photo of Gary Giordano that was released by the Aruban authorities on Aug. 11, 2011.
Neither woman’s body has been found and no arrests have been made in connection with their disappearances.
Van der Sloot, who was named a suspect in the Holloway case, is behind bars in Peru, where he is serving a 28-year prison sentence for the 2010 murder of 21-year-old Peruvian business student Stephany Flores Ramírez.
Giordano, who has always maintained his innocence, was initially held in Aruba on suspicion of involvement in Gardner’s presumed death. He was later released due to a lack of evidence.
The bone found during the filming of “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway” was discovered by an “informant,” and John Ludwick, a friend of van der Sloot, according to the TV series.




In the Oxygen series, Ludwick said he helped dig up and dispose of Holloway’s remains years after her death. It was Ludwick and the informant who provided four bone fragments to authorities. Of them, only one was human. The other three were found to be animal bones. It’s unclear where the bones originated.

During the TV series, the informant said Ludwick told him several stories, including one that indicated the remains had been buried in an Aruban pet cemetery.

When Holloway was ruled out as a match, Internet sleuths were quick to point out similarities between the pet cemetery story and a report about Gardner’s death. That report surfaced in an October 2011 article by The National Enquirer, which claimed authorities received “an anonymous but credible phone tip” that she was buried in a dog’s grave.
While the similarities in the two stories are undeniable, it’s just as likely that Ludwick was aware of The National Enquirer story.
In the event the bone does belong to Gardner, authorities will be very interested in speaking with Ludwick and Madrigal, according to Ward.

If those remains come back and [are] linked to Robyn Gardner and they were in their hands … I guarantee the FBI will snatch ’em up,” Ward told HuffPost last week.


Contacted by HuffPost on Thursday, Madrigal said he’s not concerned with Ward or the FBI.
“There is a catch to all this,” he said. “Nobody knows this because they’re all too f**king stupid to listen. Yes, [Ward] is a private investigator, but he don’t know his ass from his face. Does he know where the bones came from? No. Did he bother to ask? No. If he had a f**king clue he would know all this shit.”
 the informant now claims Ludwick told him the bones came from a particular spot in van der Sloot’s yard, before a cement slab was poured in that area sometime in 2005. the informant said he’s already provided that and other information to the FBI.


 
  No way Robyns bones can be in the van der Sloot’s yard, She wasn't dead in 2005




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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robyn-gardners-sister-having-human-bone-found-in-aruba-dna-tested_us_59e901d0e4b0f9d35bc959fc
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« Reply #1568 on: October 26, 2017, 01:11:14 PM »

Van den Broeke is a friend of Joran, he said Natalee is in grave 15 of the st anna cemetry..

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« Reply #1569 on: October 26, 2017, 06:22:19 PM »

BONE FRAGMENT FOUND IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION COULD BELONG TO ONE OF THESE MISSING PERSONS
by EMMA KERR   OCTOBER 26, 2017 • 1:01 PM ET
A human bone fragment of Caucasion, European descent was discovered recently during a Natalee Holloway investigation in Aruba. Here are four people whose DNA could prove to be a match.

1. Robyn Gardner
2. Amy Lynn Bradley
3.Gary Makings
4. Willard 'Bud' Larson

http://www.oxygen.com/blogs/bone-fragment-found-in-natalee-holloway-investigation-could-belong-to-one-of-these-missing
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« Reply #1570 on: October 28, 2017, 10:26:16 AM »

 


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« Reply #1571 on: November 08, 2017, 07:05:37 PM »

I don't think Margaret Wever is someone we can trust.
Over the years I use to watch the site meter(s) and her IP would show
up a lot, she watches sites and I don't know - I don't trust her. I think
there is something funky going on with her and her connections.
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« Reply #1572 on: November 09, 2017, 07:50:10 PM »

I don't think Margaret Wever is someone we can trust.
Over the years I use to watch the site meter(s) and her IP would show
up a lot, she watches sites and I don't know - I don't trust her. I think
there is something funky going on with her and her connections.
Refresh my memory..... was she a writer for the other Aruban paper (not Diario?)?
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« Reply #1573 on: November 09, 2017, 08:27:04 PM »

I don't think Margaret Wever is someone we can trust.
Over the years I use to watch the site meter(s) and her IP would show
up a lot, she watches sites and I don't know - I don't trust her. I think
there is something funky going on with her and her connections.
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« Reply #1574 on: November 16, 2017, 01:22:47 PM »

I don't think Margaret Wever is someone we can trust.
Over the years I use to watch the site meter(s) and her IP would show
up a lot, she watches sites and I don't know - I don't trust her. I think
there is something funky going on with her and her connections.
Refresh my memory..... was she a writer for the other Aruban paper (not Diario?)?

Aruba police arrest 3 in case of missing American teen Natalee Holloway
By Margaret Wever Associated Press
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margaret wever
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Dear all.
Just a little FYI/update.
I am currently back at work! I had decided not to go back to work after the newspaper was declared bankrupt until mom were strong again. Unfortunately, mom left us on Dec. 4.
I had three interesting conversations in one day a few days later and I decided to take on a new challenge. In this day and age, when available jobs are few I think that mom must have had her say in this from "way up there".
I have joined the ARUBA DAILY team (sister newspaper to Diario, Aruba's largest Papiamento language newspaper).
The Aruba Daily has a WHOLE NEW LOOK and an enthusiastic, dynamic team!
I would love your suggestions and remarks, positive and negative by private message... or by email (I can give you if you Private Message me).
Big hug,
The happiest of holidays!
Margaret
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/margaret-aruba-daily-42729-print/


works as a "journalist" but I have seen her on SM for a long time.
Her IP is always here checking stuff.
I'd have to go back thru my records if need be for more infor on her.


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« Reply #1575 on: November 17, 2017, 01:18:11 PM »

I don't think Margaret Wever is someone we can trust.
Over the years I use to watch the site meter(s) and her IP would show
up a lot, she watches sites and I don't know - I don't trust her. I think
there is something funky going on with her and her connections.
Refresh my memory..... was she a writer for the other Aruban paper (not Diario?)?

Aruba police arrest 3 in case of missing American teen Natalee Holloway
By Margaret Wever Associated Press
and
Desertnews



margaret wever
Margaret at Aruba Daily
Dear all.
Just a little FYI/update.
I am currently back at work! I had decided not to go back to work after the newspaper was declared bankrupt until mom were strong again. Unfortunately, mom left us on Dec. 4.
I had three interesting conversations in one day a few days later and I decided to take on a new challenge. In this day and age, when available jobs are few I think that mom must have had her say in this from "way up there".
I have joined the ARUBA DAILY team (sister newspaper to Diario, Aruba's largest Papiamento language newspaper).
The Aruba Daily has a WHOLE NEW LOOK and an enthusiastic, dynamic team!
I would love your suggestions and remarks, positive and negative by private message... or by email (I can give you if you Private Message me).
Big hug,
The happiest of holidays!
Margaret
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/margaret-aruba-daily-42729-print/


works as a "journalist" but I have seen her on SM for a long time.
Her IP is always here checking stuff.
I'd have to go back thru my records if need be for more infor on her.




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