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« Reply #1740 on: April 03, 2019, 08:09:13 PM »

 


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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1741 on: April 03, 2019, 08:18:31 PM »

I posted a couple more recent articles before the page turn.  This makes me feel sick.   

https://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/local/gbi-investigating-unauthorized-access-of-gwinnett-computer-network-by-convicted/article_637b3d3d-f8f2-5122-8615-cc2539257711.html

GBI investigating ‘unauthorized access’ of Gwinnett computer network by convicted sex offender Ed Kramer
Kramer given access after Gwinnett judge allegedly suspected Gwinnett DA of hacking her computer
By Isabel Hughes

isabel.hughes@gwinnettdailypost.com

 Mar 28, 2019

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is looking into allegations of “unauthorized access into the Gwinnett County (computer) network” by convicted sex offender and DragonCon co-founder Ed Kramer.

The GBI confirmed to the Daily Post on Thursday that its investigation began March 11, and that the probe “remains active and ongoing.”

While the agency did not give additional details, Gwinnett County District Attorney Danny Porter told the Daily Post he was the one who called, and then wrote a letter, to GBI Director Vic Reynolds after learning that Gwinnett County Superior Court Judge Kathryn Schrader “contacted Kramer and some kind of a device was installed on the county computer network.”


A Monday court filing by Kramer’s attorney, Stephen Reba, said Schrader reached out to private investigator T.J. Ward in early February because she suspected her computer was being hacked — and that Porter was behind it.

“From February 7th to 11th, 2019, various devices obtained solely for the purposes of investigation, including a device called a Wire Shark, were attached by Frank Karic, one of Ward’s forensic specialists, to Judge Schrader’s computer into the Gwinnett County Justice and Administration Center — with the Judge’s express permission,” the filing said. “…to ensure proper analysis, Ward put his computer forensic analyst, Defendant Edward E. Kramer, in charge of monitoring and analyzing the Wire Shark’s collected data.”

On Feb. 26, while Kramer was still monitoring Schrader’s computer and preparing “documentation for Judge Schrader to utilize in contacting federal authorities,” the filing said, he was arrested by Lawrenceville Police Department officers for allegedly photographing a young boy at a Lawrenceville doctor’s office.

According to a police report, officers were dispatched to Gwinnett Pulmonary Group after receiving a call that Kramer, after leaving a doctor’s appointment, remained in the check-out area and was watching the boy. Kramer is a registered sex offender who bears the Georgia classification of “sexually dangerous predator” for molesting three teenage boys about two decades ago.

As part of Kramer’s February arrest, officers, along with investigators in Porter’s office, seized Kramer’s computers and cellphone to look for the alleged photos of the boy. That’s when Porter realized Kramer had access to the county computer network.

“In the course of doing a forensic analysis of all of his computers, looking for a picture of a child, we came across data that might have been related to Judge Schrader’s computer,” Porter said. “We took it one step further and looked at the text messages off (Kramer’s) phone, and it became clear that Judge Schrader had contacted Kramer…. At that point, that’s when I called in the GBI.”

Porter — who said he doesn’t know if Schrader’s computer was ever being hacked in the first place — also told the Daily Post that during the course of his investigation, prior to calling the GBI, he “learned that she had had some technical problems but that they were handled by the county and the court IT department — said he has “no idea where she got any idea that I was hacking into her computer.”


“Of course, it’s (ridiculous) to think that I would do that,” Porter said. “I have better things to do than (monitor) what Judge Schrader has on her computer.”

Porter said he is concerned about what Kramer might have done with county computer access.

“There’s no doubt that he had access; they installed a device and they captured information off the network,” Porter said. “I don’t think the county has yet assessed the damage that could have been done, or has been done. I don’t know that there has been any, but the potential for entering in and changing records in my office or changing records at the tax office — he basically was able to obtain credentials that could have logged into any desktop in the county. … I think the possible damage is almost anything you can imagine.”

Porter also said while he doesn’t know what the GBI investigation has found, he’s sure that Kramer should never have been given access to the network.

“First of all, using a private IT consultant is a violation of the IT policy of the county, at the very least. So there should have been no way Kramer (had access),” Porter said. “Then, the judgment in using Kramer…it’s not like (the judge) didn’t know who he was. He’s pretty well-known.”


While the county and the GBI work to sort out the current mess — Gwinnett County Communications Director Joe Sorenson told the Daily Post the county’s IT department “has taken several steps to secure the network” — Reba is demanding Porter recuse himself from any matters involving Kramer, saying the district attorney “cannot possibly still prosecute Defendant in any matter and must be recused, along with said recusal being imputed to his office.”

The Monday court filing came a day before Kramer appeared in Magistrate Court for a probable cause/bond hearing for his Feb. 26 arrest. At the Tuesday hearing, a judge denied Kramer bond and determined there was enough evidence to remand the case over to Superior Court.

It’s not immediately clear what Superior Court judge will be assigned to Kramer’s case.

Schrader did not immediately respond to the Daily Post’s request for comment on Thursday.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1742 on: April 03, 2019, 08:40:28 PM »

http://www.gwinnettcountysheriff.com/smartwebclient/

KRAMER, EDWARD ELIOT   (W/ MALE )
Status:   In Jail   Vistation Status:   Allowed
Booking No:   GCSO19JBN005113   MniNo:   GCSO99MNI052397
Booking Date:   02/26/2019 14:59:10   
Age On Booking Date:   58      
Bond Amount:   NO BOND   Cash Only:   $20.00
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Facility: GCSO , Dorm: JJ , Pod: JJ , Cell No: 105 Visitation Schedule
Address Given:   2480 HONEYCOMB WAY DULUTH GA 30096
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CASH, SURETY   $20.00   
19W-03253
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NO BOND   $0.00   

F19-00652
  •    16-10-20   000-0000 (GWINNETT COUNTY POLICE)   FALSE STATEMENTS      F   NO BOND
NO BOND   $0.00   
19W-04112


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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1743 on: May 24, 2019, 06:04:14 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing/photos/a.134644599887359/783589058326240

On this day in 2005 Natalee Holloway graduated from high school. Six days later she went missing in Aruba never to be found again. Please educate yourself and others on the safety of traveling internationally and domestically. www.crimemuseum.org/help-the-missing



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1744 on: May 28, 2019, 11:25:28 AM »

Can't believe it's been 14 years!   
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« Reply #1745 on: May 28, 2019, 08:32:40 PM »

Still here for Natalee!   
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« Reply #1746 on: May 29, 2019, 02:57:06 PM »

 an angelic monkey  NATALEE an angelic monkey

 
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« Reply #1747 on: May 30, 2019, 05:51:40 PM »

Never forgotten.   an angelic monkey an angelic monkey

Natalee Ann Holloway, missing in Aruba since May 30, 2005, last seen with Joran van der Sloot.  Still waiting for justice.


Stefany Flores Ramirez, murdered in Peru on May 30, 2010 by Joran van der Sloot - convicted and sentenced to 28 years in prison.


The USA gets him next for trial on extortion and wire fraud charges when/if he's released.


And Aruba still sucks!   

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« Reply #1748 on: June 01, 2019, 06:01:37 PM »

         an angelic monkey   I'm Still waiting for Justice an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1749 on: August 20, 2019, 04:27:48 PM »

Beth Holloway & Dave with TJ ward were on Dr Oz today I missed it.. Did   anyone see it?
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« Reply #1750 on: August 20, 2019, 07:41:17 PM »

Beth Holloway & Dave with TJ ward were on Dr Oz today I missed it.. Did   anyone see it?

Are you sure?  That just seems odd to me.  I'll look around for an update though!
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« Reply #1751 on: August 20, 2019, 07:50:16 PM »

Yes my friend saw it ..  I wasn't home
Beth was on with Dave and TJ they were talking about the bones that were NOT Natalee's .. Dave said he's giving up because this took a toll on his health..
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« Reply #1752 on: August 20, 2019, 08:11:24 PM »

Yes my friend saw it ..  I wasn't home
Beth was on with Dave and TJ they were talking about the bones that were NOT Natalee's .. Dave said he's giving up because this took a toll on his health..

Maybe a replay of the show they did with Dr. Oz a couple years ago?  I'll keep looking.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1753 on: August 20, 2019, 08:48:12 PM »

Sweetest picture I came across looking for news, Kaitlyn's a beautiful young lady now. 
And we're all still waiting...   

https://www.meridianstar.com/news/years-later-dave-holloway-pursues-new-lead-about-daughter-natalee/article_42be1bc0-01cc-11e5-b05c-a38f3e1392a7.html



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1754 on: August 20, 2019, 10:17:23 PM »

Yes my friend saw it ..  I wasn't home
Beth was on with Dave and TJ they were talking about the bones that were NOT Natalee's .. Dave said he's giving up because this took a toll on his health..

Maybe a replay of the show they did with Dr. Oz a couple years ago?  I'll keep looking.

When I go to Dr. Oz's website, clips for today's show include clips from shows that originally aired in 2017 and 2018.  So I think it was probably just a replay.

https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/oz-exclusive-truth-about-aaron-aaron-hernandez-s-brother-speaks-out

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What Led to Aaron Hernandez’s Downward Spiral?
Originally aired on 10/30/2018
Dr. Oz discusses former football star Aaron Hernandez’s complicated background, which may have led him to murder. Then Aaron Hernandez’s brother, Jonathan Hernandez, recalls the moment he found out his brother was charged with murder.

GUESTS: Jonathan Hernandez , Dr. Charles Bernick , Dave Holloway , T.J. Ward

https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/oz-investigates-overseas-antibiotics-being-sold-deli-near-you?video_id=5443755431001

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In May 2005, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared while on a school trip to Aruba. Reporter Nancy Grace discusses why her story is still so captivating 12 years later.

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« Reply #1755 on: August 21, 2019, 03:22:08 PM »

You may be right..  it was in 2018 I bet
   
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« Reply #1756 on: August 21, 2019, 03:43:45 PM »

Yes my friend saw it ..  I wasn't home
Beth was on with Dave and TJ they were talking about the bones that were NOT Natalee's .. Dave said he's giving up because this took a toll on his health..

Maybe a replay of the show they did with Dr. Oz a couple years ago?  I'll keep looking.

Yeah, pretty sure it was just a replay.  I couldn't find anything recent either.   
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« Reply #1757 on: September 23, 2019, 07:53:39 PM »

 
https://www.nptelegraph.com/news/local_news/beth-holloway-opens-the---town-hall-lecture-series/article_4ea9166e-da95-11e9-b883-f7f2fd16ce9d.html
Beth Holloway opens the 2019-20 Town Hall Lecture Series 
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A message of hope, faith and personal safety continues to minister to people across the country as Beth Holloway shares her story.
 
“It just humbles me to think it will be 15 years in May and people still care, people remember, and I think, I wonder why,” Holloway said. “In part, it may be because we still don’t have an answer.”

Sharing her story helped her work through the devastating experience, especially early on.

“I think to me, my means of reaching hope was with action behind it,” Holloway said. “So it was a cathartic experience for me to deliver that message.”

Her anger was intense during those days and months, and even years.

“At that point, I’ll be honest, I had so much anger and I was able to release a lot of that,” Holloway said. “I mean I was pounding the podium. I lived out of a carry-on suitcase for year after year after year. I hit it.”

She said wherever she was invited to speak, she went.

I really think it helped me release a lot of the bitterness, the hate and the anger,” Holloway said. “That was my platform.”

Holloway said she felt she received a lot of benefit from that time.

“But then it kind of shifted,” Holloway said. “The cathartic experience lasted for so long, and then I thought, I’m doing good work.”

Her hope is that those who hear her story take something with them.

“Now I want the audience to maybe walk away with one little thread of something they can go, ‘Wow, you know, I’m dealing with this,’ cancer, or maybe they’ve had the loss of a loved one too,” Holloway said. “So if I reach just one person in the audience I think it’s successful.”

The search for Natalee continues and there are still many unresolved issues in the case, but Holloway said that “closure” is not the word she likes to use.

“‘Closure’ is a pretty hard word to box yourself into,” Holloway said. “I think everybody views it differently and I think — I’m just guessing and I have to go on my opinion or personal feelings — but when they hear the word ‘closure,’ they might think someone’s trying to allude to the fact that well, you’re going to get closure because you’re going to get over the loss of losing your loved one.

“Well, you never get over the loss, so that word ‘closure’ tends to make one feel like they’re being put into a box in a corner.”

Instead of closure, she said, it’s about being able to move forward.

“You do move on and you do find joy and happiness again, but no one ever expects you to get over the loss of losing a loved one,” Holloway said.

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« Reply #1758 on: September 24, 2019, 01:40:15 AM »

Hello Monkeys!

Just wanted to stick my head in the door and say "Hello" to all of you.

Not much going on, but Beth seems to be in a good place nowadays.

Y'all enjoy your Fall, and happy football! 
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