RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 10

[Professor]

Here's some cold, hard logic about Paulus Van der Sloot.

We know that he has helped his son "lawyer-up." Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

That leads to three possibilities:

1. He knows that NH is dead, and he is just trying to help his son beat the rap.

2. He knows his son is innocent. (Not credible. Because then there would be no reason to stonewall.)

3. He believes that NH is still alive, but he doesn't care if she is ever found.

Take your pick.

[Nan]

Also the fact that this kid lived in an apartment attached to the house is rediculous.  I couldn't even imagine allowing my son this privilage at the age of 17!  IN response to what Professor just said.....a good parent would have said if you're not guilty then you won't need the best lawyer!  Tell them what you know and the truth shall set you free.

[Rob]

Here's some cold, hard logic about Paulus Van der Sloot.

We know that he has helped his son "lawyer-up." Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

That leads to three possibilities:

1. He knows that NH is dead, and he is just trying to help his son beat the rap.

2. He knows his son is innocent. (Not credible. Because then there would be no reason to stonewall.)

i like the way you break things down.....very interesting

3. He believes that NH is still alive, but he doesn't care if she is ever found.

Take your pick.

[Rob]

Here's some cold, hard logic about Paulus Van der Sloot.

We know that he has helped his son "lawyer-up." Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

That leads to three possibilities:

1. He knows that NH is dead, and he is just trying to help his son beat the rap.

2. He knows his son is innocent. (Not credible. Because then there would be no reason to stonewall.)

i like the way you break things down.....very interesting

3. He believes that NH is still alive, but he doesn't care if she is ever found.

Take your pick.

i like the way you break things down. very interesting

[Alana]

If NH is being held captive, what would be the reason to keep her alive now that they know the whole world is looking for her? They wouldn't want her to give out any info as to what happened with her and described who did this to her.

[medleyrelay]

Everyone that is ever dealing with the police in any country whether they are innocent or guilty should LAWYER UP!!  From some very personal experience of family and friends - I have seen first hand how manipulative, disengenuious and unethical some police can be - it would be nice to think that you can trust the police - but it is not necessarily true and anyone in any potential dangerous situation should always lawyer up!

Who knows whether Joran and the brothers are telling the truth - since we have no idea what anyone is saying at all - we should all sit back and go with innocent til proven guilty - this whole case seems like it is much bigger than these 3 young men and they might vrey well be fearing for their lives!

[dragonfly]

If NH is being held captive, what would be the reason to keep her alive now that they know the whole world is looking for her? They wouldn't want her to give out any info as to what happened with her and described who did this to her.

Yes, this thought has crossed my mind also.  But I want to keep some theory in my head that keeps her alive because otherwise this gets so much more frustrating.

[iquitos]

We can speculate all we want but we know precious little about the investigation, about the van der sloots, about the other boys, about Natalee, about Aruba or its legal system.  So I will reserve judgement until I have a few more facts.

[Rob]

Everyone that is ever dealing with the police in any country whether they are innocent or guilty should LAWYER UP!!  From some very personal experience of family and friends - I have seen first hand how manipulative, disengenuious and unethical some police can be - it would be nice to think that you can trust the police - but it is not necessarily true and anyone in any potential dangerous situation should always lawyer up!

Who knows whether Joran and the brothers are telling the truth - since we have no idea what anyone is saying at all - we should all sit back and go with innocent til proven guilty - this whole case seems like it is much bigger than these 3 young men and they might vrey well be fearing for their lives!

i think the problem is that after there has been so many different statements, you dont know what to believe anymore...thats the problem the cops will be faced with..

[dragonfly]

We can speculate all we want but we know precious little about the investigation, about the van der sloots, about the other boys, about Natalee, about Aruba or its legal system.  So I will reserve judgement until I have a few more facts.

I agree, but I'm beginning to wonder if we ever will have more facts.  I am SO hoping that this investigation has gone much further than we all know.  Giving the benefit of the doubt and not bashing anyone...just waiting.  But every now and then I realize that there is the possibility that we will never know and I can't stand that!!

[medleyrelay]

As for Joran living in his own apartment - it was reported on Fox that many of the homes in Aruba are set up like this - either for maids or staff and often for older children - no different than in our country we often have older kids living in a garage apt. or in the basement or elsewhere - I do not think there is much to make of this. Remember this is a different culture than the U. S.

[sarah]

Correct me if I am wrong, but these are the things I remember being mentioned about the Joran's dad:
1.  He has been seen at the casinos gambling with Joran.
2.  He has allowed his son to live in an apartment next to his home.
3.  When Natalee's family came to his home to talk to Joran, he sent them to the casino to find him.  They immediatly went there to find him but alas, he wasn't there!!!  The family went back to Joran's house and found him and one of the brothers leaning against the car in the driveway.
4.  He allows Joran to stay out late (I think it's late anyway) on school nights.  He was known to be at C&C on a Sunday evening at 1:30.

[GutFeeling]

I see a few concerns raised about the involvement of Paulus van Der Sloot which is something that has haunted me all along.  I have this feeling that he has coached all three boys until they could get legal guidance.  For those of you who believe that he has chosen to protect his child, at what time do you imagine he was faced with making this decision.  2 oclock in the morning? 6:30 in the morning  talking with Joran after the Holloway Twitty's came to his home?
I am sick over this point and have been for weeks.

[littletxlady]

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[iquitos]

Hey rob:  Where did you find out about the statements?  Are you leaking information about the case?  Last I checked nobody knows what is going on.  We only know what Mickey told us Deepak told him  We don't know what Deepak, Joran, Satish, or Steve tols the cops or the judge.  That is  a judicial secret.  But hey, go ahead and speculate all you want.  The egg will be on your face.  

"Rob"

Everyone that is ever dealing with the police in any country whether they are innocent or guilty should LAWYER UP!!  From some very personal experience of family and friends - I have seen first hand how manipulative, disengenuious and unethical some police can be - it would be nice to think that you can trust the police - but it is not necessarily true and anyone in any potential dangerous situation should always lawyer up!

Who knows whether Joran and the brothers are telling the truth - since we have no idea what anyone is saying at all - we should all sit back and go with innocent til proven guilty - this whole case seems like it is much bigger than these 3 young men and they might vrey well be fearing for their lives!

i think the problem is that after there has been so many different statements, you dont know what to believe anymore...thats the problem the cops will be faced with..[/quote]

[Kipster]

>>Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

You got that right. Like any good attorney, I doubt he wants to know or does know the real story himself. It's just a matter of getting Joran's story/defense inline and proving reasonable doubt.

[Julia Romero]

Also the fact that this kid lived in an apartment attached to the house is rediculous.  I couldn't even imagine allowing my son this privilage at the age of 17!

This boy was definitely unsupervised for the most part by his parents.  Right or wrong this kind of hands-off type of parenting has caused their child to be in a world of trouble.

 

IN response to what Professor just said.....a good parent would have said if you're not guilty then you won't need the best lawyer!  Tell them what you know and the truth shall set you free.

If Joran's father was attempting to be a judge in Aruba, he is probably a lawyer by training. No lawyer in their right mind is going to tell their client to just flat out confess. The lawyer would try to get some type of plea bargain. Since pappa is probably a lawyer, that's why we haven't heard anything Joran has said while incarcerated, because on his one and only visit with Joran - his father probably told him to keep his mouth shut.

Joran's team of lawyers have stated time and time again that Joran is innocent and I doubt that they will vary from that position for the unforseeable future.

[iquitos]

is this by chance the same casino natalee was in when she met him and the same bar they were seen leaving from?  why is this bad for joran and not bad for natalee?  

Correct me if I am wrong, but these are the things I remember being mentioned about the Joran's dad:
1.  He has been seen at the casinos gambling with Joran.
2.  He has allowed his son to live in an apartment next to his home.
3.  When Natalee's family came to his home to talk to Joran, he sent them to the casino to find him.  They immediatly went there to find him but alas, he wasn't there!!!  The family went back to Joran's house and found him and one of the brothers leaning against the car in the driveway.
4.  He allows Joran to stay out late (I think it's late anyway) on school nights.  He was known to be at C&C on a Sunday evening at 1:30.

[HannieC]

I can`t believe the ignorence and attacks from some of you, that making statements about the  suspects, and the parents of JVS.
How would you feel if you`re in the same situation as them.

NOBODY knows them or the FACTS of this case, and you already brand them quilty without any evidence what so ever!
I can understand however, that most of the people are curious and want to know what`s goin on, but every country has it`s own justice system
whether we like it or not.

So wait for the facts to come out before you judge people!

[sarah]

I was appalled at all of the crap I read on the front page of Scared Monkeys this morning.  I had no idea about the police telling the family to go to C&C's on Wednesday because she might show up for ladies nite or the psychic bombarding them with insensive information.  Or the ransom from the drug people.  It makes me sick to my stomach that this family has to go through this kind of useless crap and there is no telling what else has happened that we don't know about.  I guess the idiots are coming out of the woodwork on Aruba.