RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 10

[iquitos]

DAN:  Just after natalee disappeared the put up a note on their site saying they would be carding and apologizinf for the inconvenience  i saw it card schmard  TH

Red, don't know if you get the PM, so here goes:

I got the debug mode, so don't know if you get the message or not.

Yes, it's pretty easy to get in, I don't think they check all that much, only if it's pretty obvious you're under 18.

As for how wild a place it is, I don't think a complete novice to Aruba would know before hand, but once he / she enters they will notice, allright.

There are no cops there. They only come there inmediately after there has been a problem and then disappear again. Nobody would mind cops being more visible there, although I doubt that it would help in this case, since Natalee went into the car voluntarily.

[scared-tom]

I have had the opportunity to speak to Julia Renfro and she is a bright and caring person, who equally is worried about Natalie and protective of Aruba. She is the antithesis of Dee Fine, who is only using this to benefit her own career.

[KKM]

Good morning.  

I figured out why Dee is getting so much attention - she is the only person in Birmingham who has spoken negatively about the chaperones, the planes, etc.

Could it be that she's doing that on purpose?  I mean people supporting the trip, the chaperones, etc. are a dime a dozen.  Her negativity certainly does give her more air time.

[Ting]

As I said, I do not think that Ms. Renfro intended for it to come out quite like that during her interview.

When under stress, people sometimes let things slip quite unintentionally.

I don't even know if Fox News is broadcast in Aruba, and non-Europeans in the US would not in my opinion, be shocked.

I did not mean to imply that Dee Fine would give a rodent's derriere about how anything she says sounds.

[nutmeg]

Julia Renfro just pointed out that Aruba is a European community, not an island of misfits as Dee Fine says.

I'm sure the last few weeks have been difficult for Ms. Renfro, as they have been for many people, and that this is not an implication she would intentionally express on camera  

I am sure you are correct.  This has been a terrible time.  There have been way too many times that American media has conducted interviews with her and others on Aruba and the "interviewers" have disgraced America...they have been snotty, sarcastic, uninformed, demanding and childish.  I really wish the so-called "anchor journalists" would just be quiet and let the reporters on the ground do all the talking and the interviews.  Verbally abusing people from a distance is not any kind of reporting, it is just being a bully.  At this point, I am surprised that many of the frequently interviewed people on Aruba can form a coherent sentence after what they have gone through....  let's cut them some slack and let them do their jobs on the island instead of all this beating up on people.

[festa]

I have had the opportunity to speak to Julia Renfro and she is a bright and caring person, who equally is worried about Natalie and protective of Aruba. She is the antithesis of Dee Fine, who is only using this to benefit her own career.

or lack of.  I am getting sick and tired of seeing her on TV.  She is so pompous, you can almost see the lightbulb appear above her head when she "thinks" she has an original "idea".  "....that bartender said that noone under 18 gets in, but Joran is 17......" Yeah, Dee we know, ever hear of fake id or better still - people might know Dad is in the justice ministry and also apparently accompanies jr to the bars and casinos, so maybe they don't bother him....  She has never been to Aruba, I wonder how far she has traveled and she needs to stop slamming this island.  This is about NATALEE not Dee Fine.

[festa]

Good morning.  

I figured out why Dee is getting so much attention - she is the only person in Birmingham who has spoken negatively about the chaperones, the planes, etc.

Could it be that she's doing that on purpose?  I mean people supporting the trip, the chaperones, etc. are a dime a dozen.  Her negativity certainly does give her more air time.

Ya think she's that bright.

[chloe2]

<OFF TOPIC>
Okay, I'm sorry, but I just had to note this. As I was reading through last night's posts to catch up, I began to watch the google ads at the bottom of the page. When you guys started talking about the partially decapitated person and the 'necktie' theory -- the ads were all for men's neckties. Sorry, I just thought that was pretty funny.

[rogers]

<OFF TOPIC>
Okay, I'm sorry, but I just had to note this. As I was reading through last night's posts to catch up, I began to watch the google ads at the bottom of the page. When you guys started talking about the partially decapitated person and the 'necktie' theory -- the ads were all for men's neckties. Sorry, I just thought that was pretty funny.

That wasn't by accident.  Google scans the page you are looking at and presumes that your interests are reflected in the content.  Ergo, they find words on your page and advertise products based on those words.

[bobcats1996]

everyone is right Dee Fine is just getting air time because she is blaming Natalee, her friends, her family and the chaperones.  Has anyone else noticed on fox that when family and friends of Natalee are on they get cut off and run out of time in the segment and it is because they are not saying waht the reporters and anchors are wanting them to say and that is blame her, her family and friends and the chaperones.  Dee Fine says what they want and they give her as much time as she wants.  I wish they would give the family and friends all the time they want to talk about Natalee and refute the allegations that are totally false.  Anyone else agree with me.

[chloe2]

<OFF TOPIC>
Okay, I'm sorry, but I just had to note this. As I was reading through last night's posts to catch up, I began to watch the google ads at the bottom of the page. When you guys started talking about the partially decapitated person and the 'necktie' theory -- the ads were all for men's neckties. Sorry, I just thought that was pretty funny.

That wasn't by accident.  Google scans the page you are looking at and presumes that your interests are reflected in the content.  Ergo, they find words on your page and advertise products based on those words.

Rogers - -yes, I know why the ads appeared. I'm actually in that business. I just always find it amusing when ads show up for that reason but are woefully out of context.

[chloe2]

Tom -- what local B'ham paper had all that information about the psychics and the crack houses and the false rescue that you posted on the front page?  I have refrained from forming an opinion about the Aruban LE, but the Police Commissioner suggesting they go to Carlos and Charlies to find her because it was Ladies Night!?  I think Beth Twitty's comments have been remarkably restrained if that is true.

[nutmeg]

<OFF TOPIC>
Okay, I'm sorry, but I just had to note this. As I was reading through last night's posts to catch up, I began to watch the google ads at the bottom of the page. When you guys started talking about the partially decapitated person and the 'necktie' theory -- the ads were all for men's neckties. Sorry, I just thought that was pretty funny.

That wasn't by accident.  Google scans the page you are looking at and presumes that your interests are reflected in the content.  Ergo, they find words on your page and advertise products based on those words.

Rogers - -yes, I know why the ads appeared. I'm actually in that business. I just always find it amusing when ads show up for that reason but are woefully out of context.

Yes...but think how scary it would be if they were IN context for a discussion like that!  LOL

[iquitos]

I have personal knowledge of this man.  He orchestrated from Venezuela the bombing of the plane in Barbados that killed 93.  He admitted he orchestrated bombings in Cuba in a NYT interview done on Aruba.  It is ell documented that he has been a terrorist for over 30 years  He could not be convicted in Venezuela because he escaped.  By the way, have any of those "terrorists" at Gitmo been convicted?   I guess one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.  

Selena:  Venezeula has requested extradition of luis posada carriles for blowing up a cuban airliner in barbados in 1975-6.   He is a terrorist and we are holding him.  He was in Aruba for a while.  look him up.  

I think it would be more accurate to say that he is accused of being a terrorist by the Cuban and Venezeulan governments.  In otherwords, he might or might not be a terrorist.

[Catriana]

There have been way too many times that American media has conducted interviews with her and others on Aruba and the "interviewers" have disgraced America...they have been snotty, sarcastic, uninformed, demanding and childish.

Though I agree with your description of the US Media, I don't think they "disgrace America", they disgrace themselves and their affiliates.  If you polled American citizens, most would say they hate the US media.   It would be better in this world, if large groups of people were not judged by a few bad apples.

I certainly would not stand still while I (as an American citizen) was judge by the way our irresponsible media acts, any more than I would expect the good Aruban citizens to stay silent, while being judged according to how a few bad seeds act.

[rogers]

I have personal knowledge of this man.
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  I guess one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.  

Selena:  Venezeula has requested extradition of luis posada carriles for blowing up a cuban airliner in barbados in 1975-6.   He is a terrorist and we are holding him.  He was in Aruba for a while.  look him up.  

I think it would be more accurate to say that he is accused of being a terrorist by the Cuban and Venezeulan governments.  In otherwords, he might or might not be a terrorist.

I disagree that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.  Anyone who intentionally and indiscriminately kills civilians is a terrorist.

Your rhetoric is generally restrained and you say that you have personal knowledge.  I will accept that.  I do not accept whatever is coming out of Cuba or Venezuela without some verification.

[chloe2]

Have you guys read the summary posted this morning on the front page of Scared Monkeys?

[nutmeg]

There have been way too many times that American media has conducted interviews with her and others on Aruba and the "interviewers" have disgraced America...they have been snotty, sarcastic, uninformed, demanding and childish.

Though I agree with your description of the US Media, I don't think they "disgrace America", they disgrace themselves and their affiliates.  If you polled American citizens, most would say they hate the US media.   It would be better in this world, if large groups of people were not judged by a few bad apples.

I certainly would not stand still while I (as an American citizen) was judge by the way our irresponsible media acts, any more than I would expect the good Aruban citizens to stay silent, while being judged by a few bad seeds.

I hear you...you are expressing it better than I did...and this forum at least gives a chance to show that not all Americans are foaming at the mouth and self-righteous!

[Enola Gay]

Someone asked earlier about copter using IR. As a body decomposes it gives off heat, thus the night flying helicopter

[wwizard]

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I disagree that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.  Anyone who intentionally and indiscriminately kills civilians is a terrorist.
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where does this put Israel?

yesterday I posted about goggle searching "venzuela FBI" so this is old news to me. Goggle search "Israel white slavery" and don't pull that b/s anti-semitism card on me.