RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[Catriana]

A new thread for news and discussions.

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[dragonfly]

I just read Dan's recent blog post.  I'm hoping he can clear up the issue of the EMT/Steve vs. the other Steve.  It's seems a good part of his theory is based on the "involved" Steve being an EMT?

I thought this was ruled out?

Can someone, Dan, or others explain?

Thanks

I thought that there was mention of that theory but then he cleared it up by saying it was a different Steve and therefore couldn't play into the overall theory.  I read it earlier and that's what I remember.

[klaasend]

Thanks Catriana!

[Another K in Texas]

DJ, I know that when I lived on the border with Mexico, as a local, we all just pretty much crossed back and forth with little bother.

Do the people of the three islands move that freely?

[bkhypnotic]

I think Dan's speculation about the teeth marks and the  shark area was posted here by other people days ago.  Let's hope that Dan is just a little  behind and this doesn't turn out  to be true.

[nancy_drew]

I just read Dan's recent blog post.  I'm hoping he can clear up the issue of the EMT/Steve vs. the other Steve.  It's seems a good part of his theory is based on the "involved" Steve being an EMT?

I thought this was ruled out?

Can someone, Dan, or others explain?

Thanks

I thought that there was mention of that theory but then he cleared it up by saying it was a different Steve and therefore couldn't play into the overall theory.  I read it earlier and that's what I remember.

Right, I can't imagine Dan would use this as part of his possible theory if it was ruled out.  But, was it completely ruled out?

[Another K in Texas]

Yes, we spent time on that much earlier.

[dragonfly]

This is from the theory on his site and I took it to mean that he knows it's a different Steve and you can factor that into the rest of the story:

My interest in the two Croes pictures was this - the small picture is taken from an earlier link to a book review by a not very articulate steve croes - the book was for EMT training.  Who would you call if a woman went under from an accidental or illegal drug over dose? However, it seems to be another steve croes altogether and that fact can be incorporated into this speculative report.

[DJTAYLOR]

DJ, I know that when I lived on the border with Mexico, as a local, we all just pretty much crossed back and forth with little bother.

Do the people of the three islands move that freely?

yes i myself used to go to curacao to bonaire on my jetski, also my cousine came in his kayak(but that not to be recomendid ahahah) from curacao to aruba, there are many boates that come and go FREELY

[CaliGirl]

Kpster,

Even if it was Natalee's teeth marks, we would not know until everything is solved because they can't tell us anything.

I don't think peices of foam with teeth marks are "normal" for Aruba therefore, you have to think it's something important.

[dragonfly]

When I read that again, it seems as if he has the information that it is most likely a different Steve, he is leaving it open for speculation in case it does turn out to be the same Steve.

[deepthroat2]

a light bulb just went off...

Theory:  Father VDS was in the casinos a lot.  Therefore, it would follow that he just may owe someone some money.  How was he planning on paying it bak?  By giving favors from his new Judge position.  Dangerous - but still a plan.  Or maybe he was entrapped by the mafia - sure we'll let you gamble - have fun!  But then once he was in pretty deep, they called in the chips and told him how it was going to go down - he was going to be a bought judge.

Enter NH and son VDS - they slip her a mickey, she gets sick and starts convulsing, they rush to VDS home and ask what to do.  Daddy sees an opportunity...He can pay off his debts and be even with the crime/casino lords by offering this virgin sacrifice.

He tells the boys the story they should tell, then he hides NH away somewhere.

THEN, he is called in Yesterday Afternoon for questioning.  The crime/casino lard knows this and also has been made aware of, or has already accepted NH as payment for his debts.  He (crime lord) believes VDS (father) may give him up so he has guy decapitated, as a warning to VDS (father) and also gets rid of the driver who delivered NH to him so he can't talk either.

As far as the media saying that the decaitation has no relationship to the NH case - hogwash!  Remember:  Aruba doesn't have any crime.  It cannot "just be a coincidence" that the murder happened on Saturday afternoon just as VDS was taken in for questioning

[CaliGirl]

I think Dan's speculation about the teeth marks and the  shark area was posted here by other people days ago.  Let's hope that Dan is just a little  behind and this doesn't turn out  to be true.

I found that infromation and sent it to Dan. He did not have time to write about it because of his trip and interview. That would be why it's now being posted.

I have the scan of the newspaper in Aruba it was front page on.

[sandy]

Just read the interview with DASH - at the very end she refers to the group's bus driver in Aruba acting as their unofficial tour guide - he encouraged them to go to C&C - I hope they interviewed him - my experience with bus drivers on tours has been that they know absolutely everything that is going on - who is interacting with whom - usually you aren't directed to someplace - even as much of a tourist magnet as C&C - without the driver being on the take a bit, setting it up in advance.

[CaliGirl]

Focusing way to much on the van der sloots. The brothers, have more motive and more to gain in this situation.

Think of it this way, Joran doesn't have to work to get what he has but the brothers do. In a late night, early morning FOX interview it was finally said that Deepak had been working extra hours etc to save up to go to college in Florida. Seems these brothers, either don't come from money or somehow don't have a lot of help from their faimly which is interesting and leads me back to why is his family NOT there now?

Side note.. Deepak's "female friend" was on FOX last night, he would NOT say he was innocent. I found that VERY interesting.

[Another K in Texas]

I think his mom sells food--sounds like a catering business run from home--that is what someone said way earlier.

[chloe2]

Just read the interview with DASH - at the very end she refers to the group's bus driver in Aruba acting as their unofficial tour guide - he encouraged them to go to C&C - I hope they interviewed him - my experience with bus drivers on tours has been that they know absolutely everything that is going on - who is interacting with whom - usually you aren't directed to someplace - even as much of a tourist magnet as C&C - without the driver being on the take a bit, setting it up in advance.

I had the same thought the first time I heard her say that. It made me wonder if he wasn't one of the people who led the parents to Joran in the first place (they talked to taxi drivers, etc.)  I imagine if he had any real knowledge, they would have brought him in for questioning.

[Another K in Texas]

So DJ, a local with a boat going to another island for the day, especially in that first day before much of an issue, would not get much of a look?

[nancy_drew]

Focusing way to much on the van der sloots. The brothers, have more motive and more to gain in this situation.

Think of it this way, Joran doesn't have to work to get what he has but the brothers do. In a late night, early morning FOX interview it was finally said that Deepak had been working extra hours etc to save up to go to college in Florida. Seems these brothers, either don't come from money or somehow don't have a lot of help from their faimly which is interesting and leads me back to why is his family NOT there now?

Side note.. Deepak's "female friend" was on FOX last night, he would NOT say he was innocent. I found that VERY interesting.

Uhhhhhh, I'm not following you here. From all reports these brothers come from a financially secure family.  I know lots of families with money whose kids work and save money.  How do you know his parents aren't there?  I've never heard that.  Perhaps they are understated and private people?

[CaliGirl]

I just keep going back to Law 101, who benefits from the crime. Who has the most to gain.

I have to lean to two brothers who are having to work their butts off to get things but yet they hang out with well to do kids who have everything. The brothers seem to bring the shady friends into the picture, which would make sense being as they seem to "try" to fit in with the "in crowd of popular well-to-do" younger kids in Aruba.