RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[DT]

Anything new from the radio today?

[Juvenal]

I'm so sick of this whole situation I could vomit. It's too freakin ridiculous and upsetting. I can't even read blogs or watch the news or posts anymore or anything... it's so frustrating and needlessly so.

I was watching on Fox this afternoon and the anchor (not sure which one it was) was interviewing someone who I guess was a detective or cop or something from here in the states and they were literally laughing at the way the situation is handled down there right now and how the FBI  isn't allowed to do their part.

Complete b.s.  I feel sooo incredibly bad for Beth Twitty.

I still think torture interrogation would be my method of discussion. LOL

Amy, I saw that. They should'vementioned that we have no other choice than to let the Arubans handle this and that the FBI can only get involved when they are specifically asked to.

But from a purely law-enforcement standpoint, there have been way too many foul ups in this case which may well keep it from being solved, and I think both the guest and the anchor were fair about it. And I didn't see them laugh.

[luna]

here's a very telling statement from FRIDAY'S interview between Greta and NH's stepdad:

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think of when you saw other missing young women and men in this country, their parents on TV? Did you understand the agony that now you and Beth are going through? I mean, can you in any way...
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: No, I did not. Now I do understand. And this one's even tougher because there's no clues. I mean, there's no evidence, you know? So we have hope. You know, every day, we have hope that Natalee is still alive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159899,00.html

So I think this does away with any association with the items found near the Marriott, eg the shirt, the lysol, styrofoam etc.

Jug (stepdad) says in the interview they have daily briefings with the FBI and that the FBI are very involved in the case.

The statement I quoted above was near the end of the interview and it seems to be very spontaneous, and true.

I kind of like sarah's speculation (3:43) about something going wrong and Pop VDS being involved in the coverup.

Remember when someone posted the very thorough timeline a few days ago?  Beth and family found out the evening that Natalee went missing who Joran was and they, and the police, went to the VDS home about midnight  (NOT 6:30 as someone mentioned above).  Pop VDS told them where the son was and the family, police etc found him at the casino.

Either that night or the next night (I think it was the next night), the family and authorities returned to the VDS house and found one of the Kalpoe bros and Joran leaning against a car talking.  somehow the Dad came out, and the convo became heated (some insuation that the Dad became angry), and the officers suggested they disperse.

I think it's weird Joran's Dad became angry....could have just been defending his son.....but also could show he was involved in cover-up....hence the seizing of the two family cars.

[clevfan1234]

Maxito Arendsz is also a street racer in Aruba

Max Arendsz
Zim Racing
93 Mustang LX
302 N2O
Manual
MT Slicks
10.68
129.7
April 2003

[cancon]

I realize this was already asked and answered but someone at Threat #9 mentioned that this wasn't the first trip to Aruba by this high school

how do we know someone from last year went on the trip, met Joran and was talking on and on about this cool guy Joran and even some of the girls this year were purposely going to look him up.....just an angle that occurred to me

for example, my sister went to Aruba and met one of the locals and if we'd gone the next year we would have looked him up.....

[Canadian Girl]

I think his mom sells food--sounds like a catering business run from home--that is what someone said way earlier.

Actually I think it was a freind of Deepaks who's mother has a catoring business.  I think in an interview he said that Sateesh once yelled at his mother when he came to buy food from her and she had none left.

[inspector_detector]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

Because the authorities don't want the kidnappers to know they are on to them. That's the reason for this whole news black out.

I think maybe Fox is trying to help out by keeping this in the news and going down other leads ( as the three kids) , maybe  they have info about the Kidnapping, and have been asked to keep quiet.
The Reporter did not even seem surprised and did not even question the Diario guy. It was if someone was in her ear shouting "cut....cut"

That's the way I saw it too. I mean , if Fox thought the Diario guy was full of sh*t, why have him on in the first place? Or why not poke holes in his story? They sure's Hell have nothing else to report. That was the most interesting thing they've had on so far. They keep repeating these same stupid boat trip stories and the interviews with the family and nothing basically.

[Getagrip]

link to html version of the ISA newsletter that features both Max and Joran

[cancon]

I noticed that Joran got accepted to a number of universities including at least two in Florida.....

[maggie fff]

There is one McDonald's in the Renaissance Mall (sp?), it is walking distance from Carlos & Charlie's.
The other McDonald's is in the high rise hotel area. You'd have to walk towards the Hyatt, cross the street there and walk till the end of the next street. It's a bit far to walk from Holiday Inn, but it's very possible.
I'm not sure if there is a McDonald's in San Nicolaas or not.

You are the best, arubagirl!

[DT]

Aruba Today reporter is saying on fox that satish and steve might be let go soon.

Did anyone else hear this?

[cancon]

see the link Getagrip just posted

[cancon]

forgive me what is the significance of McDonalds?

[CaliGirl]

here's a very telling statement from FRIDAY'S interview between Greta and NH's stepdad:

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think of when you saw other missing young women and men in this country, their parents on TV? Did you understand the agony that now you and Beth are going through? I mean, can you in any way...
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: No, I did not. Now I do understand. And this one's even tougher because there's no clues. I mean, there's no evidence, you know? So we have hope. You know, every day, we have hope that Natalee is still alive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159899,00.html

So I think this does away with any association with the items found near the Marriott, eg the shirt, the lysol, styrofoam etc.

Jug (stepdad) says in the interview they have daily briefings with the FBI and that the FBI are very involved in the case.

The statement I quoted above was near the end of the interview and it seems to be very spontaneous, and true.

I kind of like sarah's speculation (3:43) about something going wrong and Pop VDS being involved in the coverup.

Remember when someone posted the very thorough timeline a few days ago?  Beth and family found out the evening that Natalee went missing who Joran was and they, and the police, went to the VDS home about midnight  (NOT 6:30 as someone mentioned above).  Pop VDS told them where the son was and the family, police etc found him at the casino.

Either that night or the next night (I think it was the next night), the family and authorities returned to the VDS house and found one of the Kalpoe bros and Joran leaning against a car talking.  somehow the Dad came out, and the convo became heated (some insuation that the Dad became angry), and the officers suggested they disperse.

I think it's weird Joran's Dad became angry....could have just been defending his son.....but also could show he was involved in cover-up....hence the seizing of the two family cars.

Just as they won't release info to us because of the legality of evidence, they would not release very much to her parents also.

[arubagirl]

It's my pleasure, Maggie.

[LilOrphan]

Aruba Today reporter is saying on fox that satish and steve might be let go soon.

Unbelievable - I just heard him say that, too.

[CaliGirl]

BBL all ((hugs everyone)) ((Mike, Kerin))

I have a sudden craving for Mickie D's lol jk

[cancon]

about that Diario guy, he must be nuts, if there was any truth to his lead, that Natalee was being held by some Venezuleans who are trying to move her off the island

the very last thing you do is broadcast this on Fox News!!!

it is the same thing I want to yell to all the fools asking for a plan and timeline on leaving Iraq, hello, if there is a plan and timeline, you keep it quiet and don't announce it to the enemy, duh, until the very last moment

[DT]

Aruba Today reporter is saying on fox that satish and steve might be let go soon.

Unbelievable - I just heard him say that, too.

Maybe the two brothers are going to become the focus of the investigation.

[iquitos]

niether of the pictures up on riehl is the emt guy.  he is emanosc, this guy:  

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:SCchOeSdilUJ:216.55.182.166/emanonsc+%22Steve+Croes%22&hl=en

This is from the theory on his site and I took it to mean that he knows it's a different Steve and you can factor that into the rest of the story:

My interest in the two Croes pictures was this - the small picture is taken from an earlier link to a book review by a not very articulate steve croes - the book was for EMT training.  Who would you call if a woman went under from an accidental or illegal drug over dose? However, it seems to be another steve croes altogether and that fact can be incorporated into this speculative report.