RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[arubagirl]

writenow, no curfew. They tried to get it once, but there was an outcry and didn't happen.

[dragonfly]

Back...whew only 3 pages to catch up on! lol

By the way.. whoever was asking about final exams.. Joran took his the morning Natalee disappeared in case you didn't catch that. That was established a long time ago.

You mean the seniors had a different exam schedule from the rest of the school? Because the school has the exams running June 3-8.

All I ever heard about that was that it was finals week, not that he took his that particular day.

[iquitos]

Natalee goes missing on Monday early AM.  Twiggys arrive Monday evening and track down VDS residence with cops by about 1 AM Tuesday.  Mr. VDS goes with them to look for Joran at Casino.  He is not there.  Joran dad on cell to say he is home.  They go back and find Joran and the Surinamer leaning on the car.  This is early Tuesday morning, 24 hours after Natalee is last seen (by anybody but the suspects).  

here's a very telling statement from FRIDAY'S interview between Greta and NH's stepdad:

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think of when you saw other missing young women and men in this country, their parents on TV? Did you understand the agony that now you and Beth are going through? I mean, can you in any way...
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: No, I did not. Now I do understand. And this one's even tougher because there's no clues. I mean, there's no evidence, you know? So we have hope. You know, every day, we have hope that Natalee is still alive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159899,00.html

So I think this does away with any association with the items found near the Marriott, eg the shirt, the lysol, styrofoam etc.

Jug (stepdad) says in the interview they have daily briefings with the FBI and that the FBI are very involved in the case.

The statement I quoted above was near the end of the interview and it seems to be very spontaneous, and true.

I kind of like sarah's speculation (3:43) about something going wrong and Pop VDS being involved in the coverup.

Remember when someone posted the very thorough timeline a few days ago?  Beth and family found out the evening that Natalee went missing who Joran was and they, and the police, went to the VDS home about midnight  (NOT 6:30 as someone mentioned above).  Pop VDS told them where the son was and the family, police etc found him at the casino.

Either that night or the next night (I think it was the next night), the family and authorities returned to the VDS house and found one of the Kalpoe bros and Joran leaning against a car talking.  somehow the Dad came out, and the convo became heated (some insuation that the Dad became angry), and the officers suggested they disperse.

I think it's weird Joran's Dad became angry....could have just been defending his son.....but also could show he was involved in cover-up....hence the seizing of the two family cars.

[Kkial]

About Nat. being on the island and locals not knowing. There are lots and lots of rumours going around. So, what is true and not? No idea. I think that it is possible, because the cops cannot search every house. I wish they did, though. Everybody who has nothing to hide would have no problem opening their doors to the cops.

Being held in a hotel room, mmmphmm, I suppose that's also possible, but at some point the hotel will want its room back and then what? I think it's an easier thought than being in a house, what with neighbours and the like.

How about a manager/casino owner/someone with influence coudl I believe keep someone in a hotel...just thinking...????

[luna]

[arubagirl]

I don't think that the owner of the hotel would cover for someone else. Unless he believes his life or his inmediate family's life is in danger.

But I really doubt that's the case here.

[TTownMike]

I'm so sick of this whole situation I could vomit. It's too freakin ridiculous and upsetting. I can't even read blogs or watch the news or posts anymore or anything... it's so frustrating and needlessly so.

I was watching on Fox this afternoon and the anchor (not sure which one it was) was interviewing someone who I guess was a detective or cop or something from here in the states and they were literally laughing at the way the situation is handled down there right now and how the FBI  isn't allowed to do their part.

Complete b.s.  I feel sooo incredibly bad for Beth Twitty.

I still think torture interrogation would be my method of discussion. LOL

To clarify, the FBI spokesperson has made several statements that they are observing, not because Aruba won't let them help but because Aruba asked them to come there and help them. The FBI has helped. They were on the scene helping with the evidence collection because Aruba does not have experience in collecting evidence.

Like someone else referred, the boys ain't jes sippin foofoo drinks on the beach, there out there gittin it fer sure!  KnowwhutImean?

[iquitos]

Maybe Fox got burned with some disinfo.    

about that Diario guy, he must be nuts, if there was any truth to his lead, that Natalee was being held by some Venezuleans who are trying to move her off the island

the very last thing you do is broadcast this on Fox News!!!

it is the same thing I want to yell to all the fools asking for a plan and timeline on leaving Iraq, hello, if there is a plan and timeline, you keep it quiet and don't announce it to the enemy, duh, until the very last moment

[no x it]

If both Max(ito) Arends went to ISA, it's prob. the same guy. The school isn't that big.

AG: here's a post from "Adella"  from Aruba on websleuths yesterday i believe.  It adresses the two max situation.

Hold your horses!!!!

I've been trying to keep up with the posts because I left of yesterday before part 6 was even closed....but when I got to post 101 I was shocked! And I started to quickly glance over everything to post an update already!!!

I have to say, YOU GUYS ARE FAST@! This Max Arends is my brother! He's at home, chillin' all freaked out because you already know him! He is actually Joran's class-mate and exactly the person I was mentioning in part 6 that CNBC is desperately trying to contact for a 'simple' interview. He didn't want to participate since they want to question him by himself and they want a possitive side of Joran, I think as well as he think that they will EAT HIM ALIVE if he does that!

Anyhow, he's not the Max Arends that being arrested, this is another Max Arends who I happen to know as well, his name is actually not Max Arends, but Maxito, and his last name is Arendsz. I'm not sure what's happening to him right now, but I already have someone trying to find that out.

Again, my borther is not arrested and has anything to do with this.

[dragonfly]

arubagirl if they are going to release Satish can we make the guess that he has talked and told everything that happen

We can also make the guess that for whatever reason, his story checks out - for him anyway.  He may not know any more than just what he said, and independent confirmation confirms where and what he was doing.

For argument's sake, there's been rumors that one or the other of the trio was online after coming home.  That can be validated thru the ISP they use, and if you used anything like IM from your home computer, your IP address and account will reflect it.

I don't remember, will try to find in previous posts, but I think it was on the radio that there was confirmation that Satish was at home online that morning around 2am, proof that could have been obtained from ISP's but there was no mention of that for Deepak.  Maybe the younger brother was taken home and Deepak and Joran still dealing with Nat.  I don't know, but I found that interesting that they had been able to confirm that story for Satish but not Deepak.

[writenow]

Mike?? Do you remember the name of Deepak's friend that was on FOX early this morning? Anerlina something hmm gotta go look through the posts I think because I posted it so I could remember lmao

Cali,

You said it was Angelina Reppas.

[CancunMole]

Satish was confirmed home and on the computer by around 2am or somewhere around that time. But it was never confirmed that Deepak was.

I thought it was Deepak who talked to Mickey or Abraham in the jail cell and said that he went home and went online.

And I am still hoping to find out how the rumors of Lorenzo being Mr. VDS's son came up. Are the two friends?

I think that the story was both brothers went online but I have only heard confirmation of the younger brother being logged on and online, no mention of Deepak.

But no one had any contact with Satish while in jail. Mick JOhn with Deepak. Abraham Jones (who hasn't spoken since getting out) was with Joran.

[Professor]

Link to the article in the Birmingham News this AM
http://www.bwcitypaper.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2005-06-16&-token.story=129206.112112&-nothing

[ChytownEd]

Getagrip, thanks for the links. That was fast work!

Interesting that one of the other racers was Maikel Croeze. Wonder if this could possibly the Maikel who shows up on some of the kids' Tickle sites? Probably not, as Croeze or Croes or other variants is reportedly the Smith or Jones of the island. But I thought it was interesting. There's a Greg, too. Isn't Steve Croeze's middle name Greg?

Well, I'm on my way to the family get-together for the dads among us.

Thanks and enjoy your own Father's Days, all.

[arubagirl]

no x it, if that's true, then I was totally wrong. Damn, two max arends at the same school? Geez.

[RB]

Arubagirl, I'm not so sure about that, actually. That's an open question, unless you're telling us you personally know the guy? Furthermore, even if not related to NH, the slight beheading of an individual, and one missing almost makes it seem as though *nothing* is out of the realm of possibilities at the moment.

[mehill10]

arubagirl if they are going to release Satish can we make the guess that he has talked and told everything that happen

We can also make the guess that for whatever reason, his story checks out - for him anyway.  He may not know any more than just what he said, and independent confirmation confirms where and what he was doing.

For argument's sake, there's been rumors that one or the other of the trio was online after coming home.  That can be validated thru the ISP they use, and if you used anything like IM from your home computer, your IP address and account will reflect it.

I don't remember, will try to find in previous posts, but I think it was on the radio that there was confirmation that Satish was at home online that morning around 2am, proof that could have been obtained from ISP's but there was no mention of that for Deepak.  Maybe the younger brother was taken home and Deepak and Joran still dealing with Nat.  I don't know, but I found that interesting that they had been able to confirm that story for Satish but not Deepak.

but he still know what happen to NH  and he has talked ????

[absolut]

I don't think that the owner of the hotel would cover for someone else. Unless he believes his life or his inmediate family's life is in danger.

But I really doubt that's the case here.

With a beheading and a drive by shooting at a hotel. Then you have 2 disappearances. Life in danger in Aruba seems to now be commonplace.

[arubagirl]

RB, I don't know any Max(ito) Arendsz. I do know EMT Steve Croes, though.

[klaasend]

Arubagirl - do you know anything about this Sergio Gomez person that is missing?