RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[arubagirl]

the drive by shooting at the hotel, that one has already been solved, and the hotel, well, I don't think it will earn four stars anytime soon. It ocurred in the *really* seedy part of the capital.

[writenow]

Back...whew only 3 pages to catch up on! lol

By the way.. whoever was asking about final exams.. Joran took his the morning Natalee disappeared in case you didn't catch that. That was established a long time ago.

You mean the seniors had a different exam schedule from the rest of the school? Because the school has the exams running June 3-8.

All I ever heard about that was that it was finals week, not that he took his that particular day.

Well, it kinda was exam week because june 3 was that Friday. the 8th was the following wednesday.

[Michael22]

Mike?? Do you remember the name of Deepak's friend that was on FOX early this morning? Anerlina something hmm gotta go look through the posts I think because I posted it so I could remember lmao

Cali,

You said it was Angelina Reppas.

I thought it was a guy.
I saw him in an interview on cnn

[RB]

dragonfly, what's weird about that is you know, what if one of the brothers was online, and the other went to bed? Imagine being the other brother....what confirmation could be supplied that you were in bed asleep, unless it's from your brother who got hauled into jail with you?

Then again, they could have more on Deepak, either by his own admission or conflict with Joran's statements.

[TTownMike]

here's a very telling statement from FRIDAY'S interview between Greta and NH's stepdad:

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think of when you saw other missing young women and men in this country, their parents on TV? Did you understand the agony that now you and Beth are going through? I mean, can you in any way...
GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: No, I did not. Now I do understand. And this one's even tougher because there's no clues. I mean, there's no evidence, you know? So we have hope. You know, every day, we have hope that Natalee is still alive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159899,00.html

So I think this does away with any association with the items found near the Marriott, eg the shirt, the lysol, styrofoam etc.

Jug (stepdad) says in the interview they have daily briefings with the FBI and that the FBI are very involved in the case.

The statement I quoted above was near the end of the interview and it seems to be very spontaneous, and true.

I kind of like sarah's speculation (3:43) about something going wrong and Pop VDS being involved in the coverup.

Remember when someone posted the very thorough timeline a few days ago?  Beth and family found out the evening that Natalee went missing who Joran was and they, and the police, went to the VDS home about midnight  (NOT 6:30 as someone mentioned above).  Pop VDS told them where the son was and the family, police etc found him at the casino.

Either that night or the next night (I think it was the next night), the family and authorities returned to the VDS house and found one of the Kalpoe bros and Joran leaning against a car talking.  somehow the Dad came out, and the convo became heated (some insuation that the Dad became angry), and the officers suggested they disperse.

I think it's weird Joran's Dad became angry....could have just been defending his son.....but also could show he was involved in cover-up....hence the seizing of the two family cars.

Some of this not right!  They to to VanSloot's,  then to casino...Urine was gone...back to home and found them all there on return!

[chloe2]

Link to the article in the Birmingham News this AM
http://www.bwcitypaper.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2005-06-16&-token.story=129206.112112&-nothing

Prof -- This link is posted on the front page of Scared Monkeys today. I have posted it about 4 times already in this thread too.

[dragonfly]

Satish was confirmed home and on the computer by around 2am or somewhere around that time. But it was never confirmed that Deepak was.

I thought it was Deepak who talked to Mickey or Abraham in the jail cell and said that he went home and went online.

And I am still hoping to find out how the rumors of Lorenzo being Mr. VDS's son came up. Are the two friends?

I think that the story was both brothers went online but I have only heard confirmation of the younger brother being logged on and online, no mention of Deepak.

But no one had any contact with Satish while in jail. Mick JOhn with Deepak. Abraham Jones (who hasn't spoken since getting out) was with Joran.

Exactly.  From the beginning, the story about the lighthouse and HI drop off was told and the Kalpoe brothers tried to cover with "we were at home online".  Then the story changed to them dropping Joran off with Nat at beach and they went home when Deepak talked to Mickey.  But I have only heard of confirmation that younger brother was confirmed to be online.  Maybe that was intended to be cover for Deepak too, but brother was logged on and no proof that Deepak was.  I'll go look for that story about the brother being confirmed online.

[Ting]

Thanks cancunmole! I knew I had heard, if not seen, at least one interview about Deepak saying he went online.

But I don't think the ISP could tell anything except that there was a login and how long on for a particular account.

In other words, that would not be an iron-clad alibi. Someone else could have logged in using the account, and since the arrests, several people have indicated that it looks like someone has logged into some of their myspaces and tickles and whatnot...

[arubagirl]

klaassend, I didn't even know his name was Sergio Gomez, thanks for the info.

[no x it]

no x it, if that's true, then I was totally wrong. Damn, two max arends at the same school? Geez.

I think there's only one Arends and he is(?) Adella's brother, and goes to school with Joran.  The other guy, presumably the one we seek, spells his name (I)Arendsz(/I).  Can you confirm this??

[wantsanswers]

If she was thrown to the sharks are speculated, then why have they not looked for her there in the beginning. I know it is hard, but they could have made a small attempt. Even the guys who feed the sharks could have made a special diving trip...

[dragonfly]

dragonfly, what's weird about that is you know, what if one of the brothers was online, and the other went to bed? Imagine being the other brother....what confirmation could be supplied that you were in bed asleep, unless it's from your brother who got hauled into jail with you?

Then again, they could have more on Deepak, either by his own admission or conflict with Joran's statements.

Well, I think the problem would be that neither said they went home and to bed.  They tried to use online activity as an alibi for both but that can't be proven.  Why not say "I went to bed and Satish was online"?  Probably because Satish was online proving he was home and the boys thought that could cover both of them.

[iquitos]

good work concerned.  the school is in the Netherlands  

rth

Nancy I haven't heard anything about their parents. Been asking those questions about them for weeks. I do know it to be "different" being they are from Suriname, for parents to have their kids working. Generally the culture I have seen the parents have their children focus on education and make sure they continue it and get a career.

I don't know but I just think the brothers have their hands just as dirty if not more than Joran.

Dad owns a rental car business.

I've been researching the Kalpoe parents for almost a week.  I think it's incredible that the media and everyone else has focused so intensely on Joran's parents, Natalee's parents (which is understandable to a certain degree...but there's been a focus on what her parents do for a living, their decision to allow her to go on this trip, and their general background) and the chaperones...yet, there has been no mention whatsoever of the Kalpoe parents.

We know more about Lorenzo and Steve Croes--who have not been arrested--than we know about the Kalpoe's background.  It is absolutely shocking to me that no one has done a story about these two brothers.  From early on in this mystery, I've always thought they were more guilty than Joran.  Keep in mind that Deepak's attorney is the only one who hasn't claimed his client's innocence.  And now his friends won't even defend his innocence according to the FOX interview last night.

I don't think Joran has known Satish and/or Deepak for very long.  From what I've found, I don't think both of the brothers have been in Aruba for a long period of time.  One may have been there longer than the other.

Satish apparently attended this school in 2002-2003:
http://www.nehalennia.org/examens/uitslagvmbo.html

Because I don't want to slander anyone who might not actually be the parent of Satish and Deepak, I'm not going to post anything related to what I have found about the Kalpoes in Suriname.  However, this might be a good starting point for some US media to begin doing research on Google...

I don't think anyone is going to find information about their parents from Aruba sources.  There is some interesting stuff out there about wealthy Kalpoes who work for a large, well-known corporation that has operations in Suriname.

[Getagrip]

no x it, if that's true, then I was totally wrong. Damn, two max arends at the same school? Geez.

Did you see the links I provided about Max Arends/Arendzs? What are the odds of having two guys with such similar names, racing for the same team (ZiM).

I'm sensing we are being fed some disinformation here by the 'sister'.

[friend of monkeys]

absolut, I was thinking of a curfew like Venezuela implements when they're conducting a census. You're not allowed out of the house, all day.

As I said, wishful thinking.

r u listerning to dag now???
oreilly is bashing the chaperones for letting things
be such a party
i saw this on fox earlier today too

[absolut]

If either of the brothers stories changed over time from what they originally told police, I cannot see how either gets out of jail before this is solved and even then if they were not involved.

If they changed their story they are guilty of obstruction of justice.

NO RELEASE until trial.

[writenow]

Arubagirl (or anyone else who knows),

What does Oranjestad mean? Like Los Angles=Angels, Boca Raton=rats mouth.

[absolut]

If she was thrown to the sharks are speculated, then why have they not looked for her there in the beginning. I know it is hard, but they could have made a small attempt. Even the guys who feed the sharks could have made a special diving trip...

I don't believe the feeders dive in.

[Ting]

I don't believe the feeders dive in.

Rim shot!

[no x it]

no x it, if that's true, then I was totally wrong. Damn, two max arends at the same school? Geez.

Did you see the links I provided about Max Arends/Arendzs? What are the odds of having two guys with such similar names, racing for the same team (ZiM).

I'm sensing we are being fed some disinformation here by the 'sister'.

Quite possible.  This makes my head hurt.