RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[iquitos]

After Dan posted the EMT/Amazon theory yeterday I warned him the EMT Steve is a different guy. Emanonsc Steve's Zorpia website has a very different picture.   One of his friends from the site, Roel, also posted that he is not the guy under arrest but one of the Red Cross people involved in the search.  Dan chose to ignore these and other posters on his site who agreed they are not the same guy.  Here is this Steve's website.  Look at the picture and post your opinion.   I have asked Roel to post here too.  We are in touch.  

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:SCchOeSdilUJ:216.55.182.166/emanonsc+%22Steve+Croes%22&hl=en

[la_cavalière]

Nancy

Croes is Deepaks friend.. looks shady. Ax boy is really looking shady. The picture they had pictures with before  their sites had pictures mysteriously removed were shady. "Female friend" on FOX late last nite being interviewed..shady looking and that's the nicest thing I can say about her. She looked like a poster-child for herion use.

I did have a chance to look through over 450 plus pictures of Joran and his group of friends. Didn't really see anyone that didn't look like an "all american kid" at all.

Just an observation. I just think people need to look at all involved not just keep putting Joran under fire.

Ditto, ditto, ditto. We need more on the Kalpoe brothers.

[absolut]

Please don't misinterpret this, but has anyone else wondered about FOX news coverage of Nat's disappearance?  While we feel the case is quite deserving of tons of coverage, I know that major television stations count air time in dollars--big dollars.  FOX has spent an enormous amount of time re-running the same show and clips over the past week or more.  Every night this week, I've seen O'Reilly at least twice--same hour show--and then Hannity and Coombs runs the same show, repeating the clips.  While the other networks cover the story in a two or three minute update segment once or twice a day, FOX is spending hours and big bucks.  What bothers me is that they are the only network doing this.  If it were a news story that brought in advertising dollars, all the stations would be on it like flies on honey.  I can't help wonder if Nat's family or our own government have managed to purchase this much news time and, if so, why?  It just seems odd to me and I can't think of another situation that has had so much one-network coverage.  Someone please tell me I'm wrong--or why.

Word in the industry is that Fox has had little to no trouble since last weekend with access in Aruba. They were the only network who took a hit from the Arubians by name for reporting what was eventually retracted. Looks like negotions after that ordeal gave Fox access, cnn and msnbc did not recieve.

[chloe2]

just two rumours weird things I heard yesterday, I'm reviewing the forum starting from most recent and catching up on yesterday's posts so forgive me if this is old news

someone from my hometown was telling me they heard that Natalee had been corresponding with Joran by email BEFORE the trip to Aruba which explained her trust level, anyone hear anything like that?  the person told me that some of her friends were reporting this

and one of the editors of Diario was on Fox News last night and he seemed to be saying they had a lead that Natalie was alive, being held hostage by some Venezuelans, now it looks like Diario has alleged some false leads already but I thought it jived with the information the blogger that alleges their brother is in FBI that they think this will have a good outcome????

To your first point, I believe her friends who visit here discounted this claim.

To your second point, apparently there was some bizarre story on Fox last night in which the Diario editor or reporter was claiming they were following a car/van with Natalee in it. The story was not repeated and nothing more has been mentioned, to my knowledge.

[CaliGirl]

When I use the word "all american" I mean a somewhat cleancut looking like most kids today running around in the US.. but then again I am in SoCal what I deem to be "all american" normal may not be what the rest of the US views as such.

[KerinTX]

No axe...just a few big knives
(think Lorena Bobbitt)  

[nancy_drew]

Fortunately, in our country, and I hope Aruba, you can't be convicted for looking "shady".  In addition, I wouldn't expect any of them to look "All American"...they're NOT American!

I just found the following post from Friday evening from a mother who knows the brothers.  I found it a very loving and honest post.

ad mom



Joined: 17 Jun 2005
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Location: Aruba
   
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:04 pm    Post subject:    Reply with quote

Like most Arubians (whether native or not) I feel very sad, concerned etc. about the disappearance of Natalee H. I wish her family and friends all the strength and support they need right now and in the future.

At this moment I'm not thinking about the consequences for Aruba's economy. We'll deal with that, for whatever the media suggests: Aruba is a very safe place to live. As I've lived in many different countries I do have some experience!

As for the three boys: I've never met J. van der Sloot, but I do know the "two brothers" as they're often referred to. Those two boys wouldn't heart a fly as far as I'm concerned. I know this sounds naive, because you never know, not even about your own children!
That's why I also wish the families of the suspects all the strength and support they need right now.
As Natalee's mom said: Natalee is everybody's daughter; I want to add: each of those boys could be everybody's son!
They went out to have a good time like most teenagers do.

I hope and pray that Natalee will be found alive and as a lot of people on the island do: we'll continue to keep our eyse open wherever we go and help searching for her.

When indeed "something bad happened to her", we expect the people who are responsable will be punished accordingly.

[medleyrelay]

I totally agree Caligirl - I think way to much empahsis is being put on the van der sloot family and Joran - case in point when Cruese was brought in for the first 12 hrs or so all the media said he was a friend of Joran's - in fact he was the Calpoe brothers friend - and I still have not heard that emphasized at all. These two brothers would have more muscle to have taken care of a body or whatever than Joran alone on the Marriott beach area. And who knows maybe it is none of these 3 - maybe that is why there is no more leads because they know no more. I remember thinking what Greta van Sustern said the other nite about all the shady characters she found in the Holiday Inn casino - and she hoped the police were looking not just in one direction with this case.

[TTownMike]

I think Dan's speculation about the teeth marks and the  shark area was posted here by other people days ago.  Let's hope that Dan is just a little  behind and this doesn't turn out  to be true.

I would surely think that if the foam etc was relevant they would have DNA tests back by now.  Course they may not tell us!

HEY Y'ALL, WAIT TH F___ UP!

[Michael22]

Imperative...

I've been following this story and through the peoples last names I've been able to piece together a series of events...

Catrina please do not delete from here people need to see this..

As the heading of this post says 'rumors' of breaking news...

here is what I beleive to have happened...

you better sit down if you have weak legs, cause this one's gonna knock you down...(everythings hitting the fan now)
people of aruba take cover

these kids the 3 joran, surinamese brothers that are in jail
are in "protective custody" they are being moved to the prison
I believe that they have threats on their life if they talk

they got in some trouble with drug dealers..
they 'owed' them they couldn't pay it back they said
'you gotta give us 'somethin' "

if you don't we'll kill one of you

I think it's one of the surnimese brothers
Joran is protecting his 'friend'
the guy that got decapitated is a 'message' sent

the drive by at the hotel.
not sure
but related I think
I need more help to piece the last part together
for a location

Is/was there anybody named 'king' last name whatever
related to this case?????
 
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=22

[Faith]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

[iquitos]

We have ample sources on the voluntary appearance, CNN, his uncle, his employer, MSNBC .  he went in weds night and was arrested friday morning.  I guess I remember too much to remain sane on this site.   So much wheel reinventing ....    

Here is a thought...  Croes was questioned one evening then...next morning house raided and arrested.  He originally went the to police station volutarily the night before his arrest.

Perhaps he told the police that he knew some stuff...but that he needed the police to arrest him to ensure his safety.

I'm not sure it's been established that he went to the police station of his own volution. It has been reported both ways -- one way makes it sound like he suddenly decided he might have info and went to the police station, the other makes it sound like they showed up and asked him to come with them to answer some questions . . . which he did, voluntarily.

I had heard that the police called him and he came down volutarily that night...questioned and released.  Next morning arrested at 6AM.

[LilOrphan]

When indeed "something bad happened to her", we expect the people who are responsable will be punished accordingly.

Is this just a language difference thing, or does she know nothing bad has happened to Natalee, yet?

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[CaliGirl]

I have said all along and I will stand by, Joran had some part in it but his status is the perfect patsy to involve. His father is someone well known. Who better than to involve in a crime and have leverage to keep the crime quiet.

Plus, dead bodies and missing people, shootings and such are coming about.

[cancon]

thanks chloe

and one last point to clarify

the father had been granted to access to his son and then it was overturned, I believe,

did the father appeal that decision or do I take it the position of the Arubian authorities as of now is not to let the father see his son Joran

I find that very very interesting, that the prosecution is quite adamant that Paul Van Der Sloot not have access to his son, I think it is about more than just the appearance of "propriety"

[absolut]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

Fox has not rereported the decapition or the Dario reporter story. They may have been told not to and then given more access to the head of police during the Sloots questioning last night and today.

[chloe2]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

Could have been false. We already know from the Black & White article that the 'editor of the local newspaper' set up the Twittys with a lead to a ransom drug/deal that was unrelated to Natalee. Not sure which 'local newspaper' it was, but this new knowledge makes me skeptical of these leads being reported.

[medleyrelay]

Michael22 - this could very well be the case! Interesting theory - I wonder why none of the Fox, MSNBC or CNN news have mentioned anything about any of the other horrific things supposedly going on on Aruba right now??!!

[sarah]

I believe Natalee will be found soon.  There is just too much going on and too many people coming out for someone not to tell the legitimate story of what happened.

[AZLady]

Word in the industry is that Fox has had little to no trouble since last weekend with access in Aruba. They were the only network who took a hit from the Arubians by name for reporting what was eventually retracted. Looks like negotions after that ordeal gave Fox access, cnn and msnbc did not recieve.

So, because FOX retracted the misinformation, they now have access where the other stations do not?  Do I understand that correctly?  Does this imply that the other stations are not welcome on the island or in reporting on this case?  I find that hard to believe.  This still doesn't explain, however, the amount of airtime given to the story and the repetitive stories that seem to just be aired to keep the story in the news.  I still wonder if someone with a great deal of influence/money is working with FOX to keep this in the public eye for a while longer.  Perhaps the DEA/FBI or perhaps her parents, and for their own reasons.  I'm glad of the coverage, and just wondering if it is a spotlight that is much needed to expose a more complex situation than we first imagined.  Or maybe to allow the investigators to work away from the spotlight to bring her home.