RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[klaasend]

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Lorenzo Van Rijn.  He's the one who is crazy.  His father committed suicide by hanging 3 years ago.  Speculation that he is actually the illigitemate son of Paulas Van Der Sloot.

Still trying to catch up . . . where is this speculation coming from that Lorenzo might be PVDS's son?[/quote]
From Arubagirl, but it is NOT confirmed...just a LOCAL rumor that may or may not be true.

[friend of monkeys]

By the way, "Jug" has  brother "Jar".  Are these indicative of parents in the white lightning business?

Iquitos,

You SOOOOO don't understand southerners. They ALL have nicknames. And, honey, these are more southern aristocracy than moonshiners. Not everyone in the south is a redneck.

Good grief.[/quote]

dag
 has gangsta rap on now in english

no other news i guess

[RB]

Do you still stand by this statement?  It's not like they stopped by for tea.

The police honked their car horn repeatedly every few minutes til Pop VDS came out.  It was apparent that this was a serious matter.  So are the Twitty's still rude?  And are they lucky Pop opened the door?

Yes, Luna.  I do.  Pop VdS is considered a psuedo government official and yep, they are lucky he opened the door.  He didn't have to - if you go under the premise that he didn't know anything (and I'm not saying he did or did not, as I don't know.)  If you're relating this to how we do things in the States, again, I think that's a mistake. The police come up to your door, they don't sit outside and honk

[bendex]

I think i would not be amused neigther when a complete stranger comes to my house accusing me and my family of wrong doings.

RB...okay, I'm just going to make one more comment on this:

RB wrote:
Luna, coming to a Dutch house at 1am uninvited (whether business or not) is considered rude. They're lucky he opened the door.
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So do you still stand by this statement?  It's not like they stopped by for tea.

The police honked their car horn repeatedly every few minutes til Pop VDS came out.  It was apparent that this was a serious matter.  So are the Twitty's still rude?  And are they lucky Pop opened the door?

[mehill10]

"Jug" is a Manager at Phoenix Metals and is getting support from McWane Company.  Look them up.  They are big in the pipe manufacturing business.  Headquartered in Birmingham.  They provided the jet for the chop chop arrival of the family to Aruba and, I suspect, with local support of the heavy kind at least initially.  A senior guy at McWane has a daughter at mountain brook high.  "Jug" also obviously knows his way around.    

Does anyone know what Jug Twitty does for a living, where we works? My reason for asking this is being that they live in a very upscale, influential section of Birmingham I'm sure that through his work or people he knows they would be able to hire a very good lawyer through acquintances or work.

Personally, I would much prefer a lawyer that I knew or that I knew of to represent by best wishes.

yeah-
and if i were joran , that guy would be my dad

the place is really just out side of Tarrent city  i live about 5 miles  from it

[KKM]

Does anyone know what Jug Twitty does for a living, where we works? My reason for asking this is being that they live in a very upscale, influential section of Birmingham I'm sure that through his work or people he knows they would be able to hire a very good lawyer through acquintances or work.

McWane Metals I think!

Jug works for Phoenix Metals. McWane (cast iron/pipe) company has been supplying air travel.

[KerinTX]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

[absolut]

Even if the police were not yet ready to declare the opening of an official investigation, it would have been prudent to send officers along with a group that would certainly be zealous in its pursuit of answers.

Re: the "rudeness" of approaching the VDS home at 12:30 AM... Does anybody doubt that PVDS, by this time, was apprised of the situation with NH, and that his son was certainly going to be a target of anybody looking for answers?  He had to be prepared for something like that.

As for "cultural differences"... Mr. Twitty declared his assessment of PVDS after three weeks on the island, during which time he likely met other residents of Dutch descent to which he could make a decent comparison.

I think rudeness would have come from him not knowing or being coy about not knowing, being on the spot of where his kid was. He would have come across at first as uncaring and aloof. J kid was with hundreds of the ladies and don't forget they live on an island with no crime worries over little J's well being were not even coming to his head.

1am on a island with no crime and you show up at my house. I am gonna be like WTF. You got a warrant.

[dragonfly]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

Kerin, I think (I said "think") it was established that he was already gone and came back on the 30th.

[iquitos]

I read it when you posted it and it is good stuff.  Note Bearman:  "basically we interrogated him."  Of course no record was made that would hold up in court and they tipped off the van der Sloots as to what they were up against hopelessly contaminating the case because they could not wait for the formal process. Big mistake. They have themselves to blame at least partially for the slow start.  They just went in there like cowboys (and this was 24 hours later due to the inept handling by the chaperones and the Holiday Inn of the initial report to the beach patrol).  No wonder "Jug" is sick to the stomach.    

littletxlady

The police accompanied the Twittys - they were not privy to conversation, or Jug Twitty would not have said in his CNN interview a short while ago that he hadn't "shared" his conversation with Daddy VS with the police.

Regardless, you have to understand if there was a question about Joran Van der Sloot's involvement, Mr Van der Sloot would have expected all of this to come through the "normal" channels.  I'm not defending the VS's, I'm just saying I can see how this could get perceived in the manner it is by Jug Twitty.

RB I completely understand your position. My husband is a German citizen(altho very Americanized..LOL), I have spent time in Holland as well as lived in several European countries. I understand the cultural difference better than you may think.  I have posted this link 5x sure wish someone would read it!

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050618/NEWS01/50618004/1002

[friend of monkeys]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

i think i heard that he goes to holland alot as he is still studying law

[absolut]

I read it when you posted it and it is good stuff.  Note Bearman:  "basically we interogated him."  Of course no record was made that would hold up in court and they tipped off the van der sloots as to what they were up against hopelessly contaminating the case becasue they could not wait for the formal process. Big mistake.  They have themselves to blame at least partially for the slow start.  They just went in there like cowboys (and this was 24 hours later due to the inept handling by the chaperones and the Holiday Inn of the initial report to the beach patrol.  No wonder "Jug" is sick to the stomach.    

littletxlady

The police accompanied the Twittys - they were not privy to conversation, or Jug Twitty would not have said in his CNN interview a short while ago that he hadn't "shared" his conversation with Daddy VS with the police.

Regardless, you have to understand if there was a question about Joran Van der Sloot's involvement, Mr Van der Sloot would have expected all of this to come through the "normal" channels.  I'm not defending the VS's, I'm just saying I can see how this could get perceived in the manner it is by Jug Twitty.

RB I completely understand your position. My husband is a German citizen(altho very Americanized..LOL), I have spent time in Holland as well as lived in several European countries. I understand the cultural difference better than you may think.  I have posted this link 5x sure wish someone would read it!

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050618/NEWS01/50618004/1002

GOOOOOODDDD POOOOSSSSSTTTTT

[iquitos]

We heard it, don't know if we confirmed it.  We also heard joran went with him.  

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

Kerin, I think (I said "think") it was established that he was already gone and came back on the 30th.

[luna]

Do you still stand by this statement?  It's not like they stopped by for tea.

The police honked their car horn repeatedly every few minutes til Pop VDS came out.  It was apparent that this was a serious matter.  So are the Twitty's still rude?  And are they lucky Pop opened the door?

Yes, Luna.  I do.  Pop VdS is considered a psuedo government official and yep, they are lucky he opened the door.  He didn't have to - if you go under the premise that he didn't know anything (and I'm not saying he did or did not, as I don't know.)  If you're relating this to how we do things in the States, again, I think that's a mistake. The police come up to your door, they don't sit outside and honk

Interesting how you deleted your statement!   You didn't address the part where you said the Twitty's were rude...

And *I'm* not relating it to how we do things in the states (re how police operate)....apparently you are....after saying we shouldn't do that.

How's that for circular logic....?

[Another K in Texas]

Kerin that was the story.

Also on the honking issue.  Remember that the house is built like many in the tropics.  There is a full wall with a gate.  You can't just walk up and ring a doorbell.  I would imagine at night the gate is locked--and from the Gretta walk by it did not appear to the be type with the talk box and remote access.

If so, without a warrent, I would imagine the police have to resort to honking.

[RB]

iquitos, that was wonderful

[bkhypnotic]

I think you can look at PVDS's actions in one of two ways:
1.  He knew nothing about NH and was severely pissed that the police were outside honking their horn at his home.  He gets up and people start accusing his son of having something to do with their daughter being missing.

2.  He knew what happened to NH and was trying to cover for his son.  Hence, he was behaving like an "obnoxious slimeball."

I'm not as of yet making a judgment either way as to what I think happened.  Like I said earlier, the more I hear about this case, the more confused I get.

[KerinTX]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

Kerin, I think (I said "think") it was established that he was already gone and came back on the 30th.

thanks, DF. we do know that he was there on the first/second day because when the Holloways and police went to the VDS door they were told by daddy VDS that Joran was at a casino gambling. (mind you this was a school night, but WTH) According to reports, they went to casino, guns drawn, and Joran was not there. While in the casion, daddy got a cell call from Joran saying he was home...and eveyone (police, daddy and Holloways) went back to the VDS home. That's when questions were asked and Beth became so upset/pissed that she got in the car. So daddy left the country when...that next day?

[KerinTX]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

i think i heard that he goes to holland alot as he is still studying law

heard that one too FOM...just wondering what country he went to during those few days. The one where the judge in this case came from?

[TTownMike]

By the way, "Jug" has  brother "Jar".  Are these indicative of parents in the white lightning business?

Iquitos,

You SOOOOO don't understand southerners. They ALL have nicknames. And, honey, these are more southern aristocracy than moonshiners. Not everyone in the south is a redneck.

Good grief.[/quote]I agree with you write, and please let there be no mistake, I've never had moonshine and I ain't no redneck, sotaspeak!