RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[inspector_detector]

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Lorenzo Van Rijn.  He's the one who is crazy.  His father committed suicide by hanging 3 years ago.  Speculation that he is actually the illigitemate son of Paulas Van Der Sloot.

Still trying to catch up . . . where is this speculation coming from that Lorenzo might be PVDS's son?[/quote]

Van Rijn's neighbors.

[AnnieMW1]

wow you guys see this..?

An Aruban blogger from another site wrote that some of Natalee's belongings were found at Van Rijn's house...

http://www.nataleeholloway.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=43&PN=1

any resident from aruba can you confirm this..?

That looks like someone cut and pasted arubagirl's post on this forum from last night.

Or vice versa....didn't check the times so not sure which!  I thought ArubaGirl said she heard this from her neighbor??

[TTownMike]

I think i would not be amused neigther when a complete stranger comes to my house accusing me and my family of wrong doings.

RB...okay, I'm just going to make one more comment on this:

RB wrote:
Luna, coming to a Dutch house at 1am uninvited (whether business or not) is considered rude. They're lucky he opened the door.
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So do you still stand by this statement?  It's not like they stopped by for tea.

The police honked their car horn repeatedly every few minutes til Pop VDS came out.  It was apparent that this was a serious matter.  So are the Twitty's still rude?  And are they lucky Pop opened the door?

I wouldn't accuse them (the Twittys)of of accusing him of anything.  They were desperately seeking their  daughter.  My guess is before this meeting they did not have it in their minds that he had harmed her neccesarily but rather they were there because as of that time that was where Nat's trail ran.  If it was me and I had no reason to feel defensive, I would be concerned and compasionate and would do everything I could to help fined Natalee.  First reactions tell us a lot.  What do they tell you?

[Another K in Texas]

Is that a current report about a speedboat?


Didn't someone way back when say that the possible brother had a speed boat.  Or did I dream that?

[absolut]

Luna, where exactly did I say the Twittys were rude????

Note my prior post:

Luna, coming to a Dutch house at 1am uninvited (whether business or not) is considered rude. They're lucky he opened the door.

I am commenting on the situation, not the Twittys.  And my other comment to you WRT to viewing this with an "americanized" point of view (which is what I perceive you to be doing), is a mistake, IMO.  And the only reason why I deleted the entire portion of my quote is to save on space and answer your questions.

"coming to a Dutch house at 1am uninvited (whether business or not) is considered rude. They're lucky he opened the door"

Hmmmmm....Let's see...the Twitty's went to a Dutch house (around) 1 am.  You used the word "they're" implying the Twitty's if I'm correct.....I don't believe we've been talking about anyone else going to the VDS door at 1 am.

Quite a crusade you are on Luna.

[DAG]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

Kerin, I think (I said "think") it was established that he was already gone and came back on the 30th.

thanks, DF. we do know that he was there on the first/second day because when the Holloways and police went to the VDS door they were told by daddy VDS that Joran was at a casino gambling. (mind you this was a school night, but WTH) According to reports, they went to casino, guns drawn, and Joran was not there. While in the casion, daddy got a cell call from Joran saying he was home...and eveyone (police, daddy and Holloways) went back to the VDS home. That's when questions were asked and Beth became so upset/pissed that she got in the car. So daddy left the country when...that next day?

I thought this was all the very first night they were there.  From what I recall of the Greta interview they arrived at 11pm on the night of the disappearance.  And within a couple hours they had watched the hotel tape and found Jaron.

That's what I thought too, Nancy. Which would be the night AFTER Natalee was missing correct?

Yes, the Twitty's arrived at 11pm the very day she went missing...and this stuff took place during the first few hours they were there.

You are correct.  I read that the twitty's arrived at the VDS home about the same time Natalee disapeared the night before.  (24 hours)

[KerinTX]

Thanks, Nancy. I have a timeline on a blackboard and I wanted to make sure I went back over some things.

[RB]

Luna, where exactly did I say the Twittys were rude????

Note my prior post:

Luna, coming to a Dutch house at 1am uninvited (whether business or not) is considered rude. They're lucky he opened the door.

I am commenting on the situation, not the Twittys.  And my other comment to you WRT to viewing this with an "americanized" point of view (which is what I perceive you to be doing), is a mistake, IMO.  And the only reason why I deleted the entire portion of my quote is to save on space and answer your questions.

"coming to a Dutch house at 1am uninvited (whether business or not) is considered rude. They're lucky he opened the door"

Hmmmmm....Let's see...the Twitty's went to a Dutch house (around) 1 am.  You used the word "they're" implying the Twitty's if I'm correct.....I don't believe we've been talking about anyone else going to the VDS door at 1 am.

Apparently, you insist on having a debate about what I'm trying to convey.  I think I have repeatedly said I don't agree with the view, but I recognize it as a possibility.  Perhaps this will satisfy you:

ANYONE coming to a Dutch residence uninvited beyond a reasonable hour is considered rude.

Will you sleep better now?

[sarah]

I would like to know if the VDS family acted surprised by the news of Natalee missing or if they were just totally defensive.  It really doesn't matter what time of day it was.

[bendex]

Okay. Here's a comprehensive listing of all the possible reasons that Pappy Van der Sloot has chosen to be such an obnoxious slimeball and why he is coaching the young'un to stonewall.

1. He knows that Joran is guilty, and he's trying to help him beat the rap.
2. He's in on it, in some way. Perhaps in the disposal of a body, or in the destruction of evidence, and he's trying to protect his own sweet ass.
3. He knows that Joran is innocent. (But, after 20 days, you'd think he'd be a little more forthcoming, if the boy was innocent, don't you think. And if that were the case, why the phoney story about the security guards?)
4. He knows that Natalee is alive, but he doesn't care if she's ever found.
5. He knows that Natalee has been turned over to the Cali drug cartel, the CIA, or space aliens, and he's afraid that he'll piss them off if the boy squeals.

I think that about covers it.

Hi Prof.

I like your summaries , i would like to add that in the dutch culture it is very rude to snitch or betray someone , remember the statement of anita van der sloot blood is thicker then water . Meaning we all stick toghether.
Personally as a dutchie I prever that someone steals my money then that they betray me.  If I know for examplke that a friend of mine commited a fellony I would neglect him 100 % that is his problem but i would not go to the police.

[KerinTX]

Professor...do you teach at Troy State?

[absolut]

I think i would not be amused neigther when a complete stranger comes to my house accusing me and my family of wrong doings.

RB...okay, I'm just going to make one more comment on this:

RB wrote:
Luna, coming to a Dutch house at 1am uninvited (whether business or not) is considered rude. They're lucky he opened the door.
_____________

So do you still stand by this statement?  It's not like they stopped by for tea.

The police honked their car horn repeatedly every few minutes til Pop VDS came out.  It was apparent that this was a serious matter.  So are the Twitty's still rude?  And are they lucky Pop opened the door?

I wouldn't accuse them (the Twittys)of of accusing him of anything.  They were desperately seeking their  daughter.  My guess is before this meeting they did not have it in their minds that he had harmed her neccesarily but rather they were there because as of that time that was where Nat's trail ran.  If it was me and I had no reason to feel defensive, I would be concerned and compasionate and would do everything I could to help fined Natalee.  First reactions tell us a lot.  What do they tell you?

They did not come there asking him to look for their daughter, they came there looking for his son. Lets not be confused.

[friend of monkeys]

Is that a current report about a speedboat?


Didn't someone way back when say that the possible brother had a speed boat.  Or did I dream that?

if she is found safe
it would be a dream.

someone local knows
it was on dag and
it was fuzzy/static

[TTownMike]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

Either that or he had just returned.  But he was there about that time!

[luna]

absolut...I'm on no crusade.  I just find it incredible that RB would state that the Twitty's were rude to knock on a Dutch door at 1 am and that "they" were lucky he opened the door.

He said he stood by his statement....and I guess he does.

[CancunMole]

to everyone who was here in the early days before we had this new (great) forum:

didn't we hear in those first few days after Natalee was missing that daddy VDS left Aruba for a few days? (this was, of course, before we had any idea he may be involved/privy to info)

Yes, it was on most on the BBs. But, it was later indicated by those "on Island" that it was not true.

[Michael22]

has anything really new happen today ?

wheres Arubagirl

she out doing 'errands' (chores)

[Another K in Texas]

Did they say anything more--what was it about the speedboat?

Or were they just offering a cheap maroon recliner if you bought one?  

[iquitos]

Here repeated is the relevant exceprt from Dan Riehls initial take on this from last week:


"The parents of Natalee Holloway were reported to have arrived at the hotel at approximately 10 PM. Several of the Alabama businessmen and the chaperone proceeded to Carlos and Charlies to see if they might gather additional information. Joran Van der Sloot appears to be a well known figure at the casino and an employee directed the group to a taxi driver said to be very knowledgeable as to comings and goings on the island. It was now approximately midnight.

The taxi driver provided more detailed information about Joran and the group decided to approach the police with the information they had gathered.  After discussing the information with the local police, the group, accompanied by two officers headed to the Van der Sloot home. The officers honked the horn repeatedly every few minutes in front of the house prior to the emergence of Joran's Father at approximately 12:30 am.

Joran was not home and his father told the group that he could be found playing poker at one of the casinos in the Palm Beach area of Aruba.  The group, including the father, headed off to locate the boy.  Upon arriving at the casino, the police, security guards, along with Natalee's parents are said to have "swarmed" onto the floor and at least one report states the police had their weapons drawn.

The young Van der Sloot was not located in the casino. Soon thereafter, Joran Van der Sloot placed a call to his Father's cell phone and informed him that he was at home.

The entire group, including the police, headed back to the Van der Sloot home.  They arrived to find Joran Van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe, the younger of two brothers recently detained in the matter, leaning casually against what has been reported to be the grey car now impounded in the investigation.

The police set about questioning the two boys. They are said to have claimed at that time that the now missing Natalee Holloway did indeed leave Carlos And Charlies with them and the entire group went to the lighthouse area together prior to dropping Natalee back at her hotel. The boys also made additional claims consistent with other earlier reports

With Natalee's Mother said to have remained in the car, possibly out of the emotion involved in meeting two of the now three boys alleged to have been the last to see her daughter alive, others in the group including the Stepfather were present as the questioning continued for approximately an hour.

Certain aspects of the discussion, some said to have involved Joran Van der Sloot's Father, led to the discussion becoming heated and police officers requested that the group disperse. More than one individual among the group of Americans present at the Joran home that night report a belief that the boys were lying and did indeed do something to harm Natalee Holloway.

Also mostly unreported as of this writing is the great toll this is taking upon many students and adults in Mountain Brook linked in some manner to this quite possibly tragic event. Reports suggest that some, including adults beyond Natalee's immediate family are struggling in ways we can only imagine as observers and need our patience and understanding, perhaps more than our judgments at this time.

In terms of additional minor reports, coversations with a source in Aruba today confirmed a seeming lack in the way of any formal statement from Deepak Kalpoe's attorney, said to be Romero Oomer. We agree that we find this in stark contrast to other attorneys in the case, most all of whom have made some, if not many statements to the press. It is being pointed out only as an observation and is meant to suggest nothing more."

[absolut]

absolut...I'm on no crusade.  I just find it incredible that RB would state that the Twitty's were rude to knock on a Dutch door at 1 am and that "they" were lucky he opened the door.

He said he stood by his statement....and I guess he does.

Maybe someone dutch can tell you how they would feel about a 1am visit before the reason for the visit is clarified, then to find out it is to find their son because he was known to be with a girl on a carribean island.

I can tell you if you show up at my house without police looking for my kid because yours is missing. I may even be rude back.