RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[absolut]

Aruba may have low crime but there is drug trafficking.
http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/050610miami.htm
"During these cruises, conspirators smuggled cocaine, heroin, and crack strapped to their bodies onto the cruise ships in Aruba, St. Maarten, Panama, and Curacao. In total, fifty-five (55) individuals have been charged during the course of the investigation. "

But that isn't arubian crime. Those are our indictments.

The conspirators weren't all American citizens.  The drugs were strapped on their bodies in Aruba.  This is illegal drug trafficking.  These drugs were brought into Aruba for the purpose of bringing them into the USA illegally.  People were extradited from different countries in the Caribbean to face prosecution.

Check post from a poster named Selena she posted scads of data on all criminal activities in aruba reported by us, them and the netherlands. You will find it doesn't affect the crime rate on the island. The island by data definition is one of if not the safest in the world. This is a selling point by travel agents worldwide.

[Another K in Texas]

Please stop bashing the Dutch as a group.

Cultures are different and that does not make one good and the other bad.

[maggie fff]

Earlier today a local said their mcdonalds are not the 24 hour version and are not open at 3 am.

Mcd's close at 1am

If someone was helping in a cover up the last thing they'd want is a hamburger.  What could one do at a closed McDonald's?

1.  Use a pay phone, avoiding cell phone records.
2.  Use trash bins/dumpster.
3.  ???

this also not offical info

No, it's not official ... nor are 99% of the posts here.  Posters are discounting a tip because the restaurant was closed.  I'm giving theories why someone would be there after closing.  With Jug's recent statements, calling Paul a "obnoxious slimeball" and "there are several things that took place that are different than what he stated that night," perhaps it would be beneficial to explore this theory and all of Paul actions.  

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[AnnieMW1]

Earlier today a local said their mcdonalds are not the 24 hour version and are not open at 3 am.

Only way this could be valid was be if it was a meeting spot.  But I would guess this type of business would have surveilance cameras.

Funny how a lot of us assumed that this report meant he was inside wolfing down food [thus, 1a v 3a debate] - when in fact, maybe he was just in the parking lot or near the dumpster!  Surveillance video.

[TTownMike]

I'm sure they honked the horn instead of knocking because that fence around the house is gated and prob locked or they did not want to step on the property until they were recieved![/quote]

Don't you find it odd with virtually no crime rate and no murders we have houses with gates and walls?[/quote]Well, I never thought of it like that.  All I know is they have walls and gates, so maybe the gate was locked.  At any rate Jug did not want to bust up in there and bang on the door, and I don't blame him.  Hell, knowing what we all suspect now, if Papa did know what Urine had done who knows, he might of put a bullet in Jug in "self-defense".

[inspector_detector]

In my opinion, Dutch people will do everything to help their families, but they won't be blind if they comitted a crime.

Any more rumors on the radio , or in the paper?

[sarah]

I just learned that we are going to have a pray meeting for Natalee here at our local high school Thursday night.  Natalee's dad graduated from here and she has an aunt, uncle and some cousins that live here.  The town is encouraging folks to tie white ribbons on their cars to show our support.

[absolut]

[/quote]

No, it's not official ... nor are 99% of the posts here.  Posters are discounting a tip because the restaurant was closed.  I'm giving theories why someone would be there after closing.  With Jug's recent statements, calling Paul a "obnoxious slimeball" and "there are several things that took place that are different than what he stated that night," perhaps it would be beneficial to explore this theory and all of Paul actions.[/quote]

I discount it because it was a posted in a comment response in a blog. It is now being repeated as fact.

[bendex]

Hi writenow,

I understand your feeling . It has to do with our protestant background , and the dissapearance ,betrayel and murder of tens and thousands innocent people in the second world war in our country.

 I would not protect him I would not give him a helping hand neighter ,I would neglect him. I just not going to be the one handing him out to the police , it would be another thing when the police would come to me and ask for information.

 But that is about culture , i just want to shine a light on things. Secondly I believe that very closed groups like this excist aswell in the united states like the kkk in missispi , when a crime happens the whole village vows silence.

in the dutch culture it is very rude to snitch or betray someone , remember the statement of anita van der sloot blood is thicker then water . Meaning we all stick toghether.
Personally as a dutchie I prever that someone steals my money then that they betray me.  If I know for examplke that a friend of mine commited a fellony I would neglect him 100 % that is his problem but i would not go to the police.

That is absolutely mindboggling that it's honorable to protect a criminal. Unbelieveable. And yet, we have the international court at the hague apparently judging the evils of the world. Does anybody find that a very conflicting message?

[Herkimer]

Hi Everyone - This is my first post, and maybe a little off topic, but...

Is this the 'Marten' that's been discussed?

http://www.khonkaen.com/english/classifieds/view_print.asp?id=50066311085100009

Cheers from sunny Texas

[Another K in Texas]

I have used McDonalds as meeting places--mainly because they are easy to find.  Most do have pay phones.

[arubagirl]

I'm sorry, are we talking about either McDonald's or one at a specific location?

[Lucy]

The more I read about this case the more I change my original thoughts.  I am becoming more convinced that the Kalpoes or at least the eldest Kalpoe, Deepak, is the brain behind this whole mess:

•The Honda is his car.
•He probably concockted the story about the lighthouse, stating that Joran had some fun in the back seat, etc..  Here he begins to point the finger at a cocky, arrogant, conceited, yet probable naive 17 year old.
•Not knowing what Joran is saying in jail, Deepak uses Mickey John to spread the news that they never went to the lighthouse, that he left Joran with Natalee at the Marriot.  If this was the case, then somebody else had to give Joran a ride, unless he walked home.  Once again, he points at Joran.
•I believe Paulus Van Der Sloot is a participant in the cover-up, as far as he is responsible of not making his son come forward early enough.  Stupidly he probably thought this would all go away, and his “prestige” and standing in Aruban society World remain intact.
•In Scaredmonkeys (not the discusión, the other forum), Checkme from Aruba stated and predicted in the correct order that friends of Deepak Kalpoe would be brought in for questioning.  Lorenzo Van Rijn, Max Arends, and Steve G. Croes are all primarily friends of Deepak.
•Deepak is cold, cool and collected.  He has a better capacity of machiavelously making up stories that will steer the blame away from him.

I am sure today Paul Van Der Sloot regrets not having had the guts to make his son confess from the beginning all he knew about this tragedy, about banganging encounters, selling porno films and all activities he participated with the older crowd, having the older Kalpoe as his gateway to corruption and crime. Paulus has contributed to creating a young social monster.  A few weeks ago, he probably thought his son had the potential of being the Neetherlands Antilles most prospective little stud …

I am not exculpating Joran, but to me Deepak’s participation in this tragic crime is more relevant.

[Ting]

Couple of ?s

I have seen posts on here that indicate that the Kalpoe brothers are not part of the Kalpoe family that owns the transportation companies in Aruba and Surinam, that the mother has a catering business and there is a step-father.

So I am going to speculate that early news reports that referred to the brothers as the sons of a prominent businessman could be mistaken.

Or are they? There is a stepfather, where is the father? Is he the one who is said to have committe suicide, or did I dream that? And what is/was his business, and what is known about the occupation of the stepfather.

[TTownMike]

I'm sure they honked the horn instead of knocking because that fence around the house is gated and prob locked or they did not want to step on the property until they were recieved!

Don't you find it odd with virtually no crime rate and no murders we have houses with gates and walls?[/quote]

I find it funnier that people think you wouldn't just scale the fence if you really wanted to question someone.....  Furthermore, from the videos on Fox of the home, at least 2 of the gates are waist high....[/quote]As per my last post, that would be trespassing and a good way to get shot!

[arubagirl]

The McDonald's (both of them) do not have pay phones. The McDonald's at the hotels is next to the an office of the local phone company, that does have phone booths outside, but they don't work with change, they work with phone cards. I don't know many people who walk around with those, what with the cell phones and all. The local phone company sells them, but they are closed at 4.30pm.

[klaasend]

Please stop bashing the Dutch as a group.

Cultures are different and that does not make one good and the other bad.

I second that motion!  Also, stop argueing about how someone should react at 1:00am!  Both conversations are very unproductive, IMO!

[KerinTX]

IMO the best info we have gotten so far (as in, the most reliable) are from our Aruban friends, whether on the island or in the US, who are listening to the radio or reading the paper. I am skeptical of all these bits of info coming in from people who "claim" to be a relative/friend of whatever suspect/person interrogated. In reality they could actually be someone named Bubba who is posting from their home in Podunk, TX.

[absolut]

The more I read about this case the more I change my original thoughts.  I am becoming more convinced that the Kalpoes or at least the eldest Kalpoe, Deepak, is the brain behind this whole mess:

•The Honda is his car.
•He probably concockted the story about the lighthouse, stating that Joran had some fun in the back seat, etc..  Here he begins to point the finger at a cocky, arrogant, conceited, yet probable naive 17 year old.
•Not knowing what Joran is saying in jail, Deepak uses Mickey John to spread the news that they never went to the lighthouse, that he left Joran with Natalee at the Marriot.  If this was the case, then somebody else had to give Joran a ride, unless he walked home.  Once again, he points at Joran.
•I believe Paulus Van Der Sloot is a participant in the cover-up, as far as he is responsible of not making his son come forward early enough.  Stupidly he probably thought this would all go away, and his “prestige” and standing in Aruban society World remain intact.
•In Scaredmonkeys (not the discusión, the other forum), Checkme from Aruba stated and predicted in the correct order that friends of Deepak Kalpoe would be brought in for questioning.  Lorenzo Van Rijn, Max Arends, and Steve G. Croes are all primarily friends of Deepak.
•Deepak is cold, cool and collected.  He has a better capacity of machiavelously making up stories that will steer the blame away from him.

I am sure today Paul Van Der Sloot regrets not having had the guts to make his son confess from the beginning all he knew about this tragedy, about banganging encounters, selling porno films and all activities he participated with the older crowd, having the older Kalpoe as his gateway to corruption and crime. Paulus has contributed to creating a young social monster.  A few weeks ago, he probably thought his son had the potential of being the Neetherlands Antilles most prospective little stud …

I am not exculpating Joran, but to me Deepak’s participation in this tragic crime is more relevant.

Wow there are many things in this post that can't all be true. Impossible for the facts that are out to support.

[goon squad]

Let's say that the Prime Minister of Aruba schedules another press conference for tomorrow at 9 AM.  And not only does he not show up, it turns out he has completely vanished.

I take it that law enforcement just goes "by the book," waits 48 hours, doesn't contact people identified as last being seen with him...