RBN # 11 - 6/19/05

[Getagrip]

Iquitos,

Roel is on Axe guy's Tickle list of friends.

Axe guy's Tickle page:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=eKVs3MVT3lDV3wPJ

Roel's Tickle page:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=UQoij.UPBU5mllra
(with Red Cross uniform pic)

I realize the island is small...but these guys seem to be related through the same circle of friends.

Care to give us some insight, Roel?

After Dan posted the EMT/Amazon theory yeterday I warned him the EMT Steve is a different guy. Emanonsc Steve's Zorpia website has a very different picture.   One of his friends from the site, Roel, also posted that he is not the guy under arrest but one of the Red Cross people involved in the search.  Dan chose to ignore these and other posters on his site who agreed they are not the same guy.  Here is this Steve's website.  Look at the picture and post your opinion.   I have asked Roel to post here too.  We are in touch.  

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:SCchOeSdilUJ:216.55.182.166/emanonsc+%22Steve+Croes%22&hl=en

[writenow]

Or,

Police questioned Croes and released him (boss said he was late for work that day) because they wanted to see where he went and who he called (remember they're checking phone logs). Then they arrested him. So maybe the calls he made or visits led them to other places/people.

[TTownMike]

a light bulb just went off...

Theory:  Father VDS was in the casinos a lot.  Therefore, it would follow that he just may owe someone some money.  How was he planning on paying it bak?  By giving favors from his new Judge position.  Dangerous - but still a plan.  Or maybe he was entrapped by the mafia - sure we'll let you gamble - have fun!  But then once he was in pretty deep, they called in the chips and told him how it was going to go down - he was going to be a bought judge.

Enter NH and son VDS - they slip her a mickey, she gets sick and starts convulsing, they rush to VDS home and ask what to do.  Daddy sees an opportunity...He can pay off his debts and be even with the crime/casino lords by offering this virgin sacrifice.

He tells the boys the story they should tell, then he hides NH away somewhere.

THEN, he is called in Yesterday Afternoon for questioning.  The crime/casino lard knows this and also has been made aware of, or has already accepted NH as payment for his debts.  He (crime lord) believes VDS (father) may give him up so he has guy decapitated, as a warning to VDS (father) and also gets rid of the driver who delivered NH to him so he can't talk either.

As far as the media saying that the decaitation has no relationship to the NH case - hogwash!  Remember:  Aruba doesn't have any crime.  It cannot "just be a coincidence" that the murder happened on Saturday afternoon just as VDS was taken in for questioning

I don't doubt it!  Papa, "influential father", "BIG FISH"?!

By the bye Deep',  saw you on TV.  Not bad for 91 yrs old!  

[CaliGirl]

As much as people have become "haters" or what not as Joran and his family, as a mother, I think and reply of one. He's still a human, a person, someone's beloved son. Of course as a parent you are going to love your child no matter what. I do and will always for my daughter.

Natalee if the biggest victim but everyone is making more victims. Their families. They have feelings and children they have lost at the moment. I am not sticking up for them but just making a point. I would be heartbroken to hold a position that withheld me from seeing my son. I see nothing wrong or out of the ordinary that his father wants to see his oldest son!

[mehill10]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

Fox has not rereported the decapition or the Dario reporter story. They may have been told not to and then given more access to the head of police during the Sloots questioning last night and today.

Fox news did report the decapition story last night

[Juvenal]

Please don't misinterpret this, but has anyone else wondered about FOX news coverage of Nat's disappearance?  While we feel the case is quite deserving of tons of coverage, I know that major television stations count air time in dollars--big dollars.  FOX has spent an enormous amount of time re-running the same show and clips over the past week or more.  Every night this week, I've seen O'Reilly at least twice--same hour show--and then Hannity and Coombs runs the same show, repeating the clips.  While the other networks cover the story in a two or three minute update segment once or twice a day, FOX is spending hours and big bucks.  What bothers me is that they are the only network doing this.  If it were a news story that brought in advertising dollars, all the stations would be on it like flies on honey.  I can't help wonder if Nat's family or our own government have managed to purchase this much news time and, if so, why?  It just seems odd to me and I can't think of another situation that has had so much one-network coverage.  Someone please tell me I'm wrong--or why.

Word in the industry is that Fox has had little to no trouble since last weekend with access in Aruba. They were the only network who took a hit from the Arubians by name for reporting what was eventually retracted. Looks like negotions after that ordeal gave Fox access, cnn and msnbc did not recieve.

Fox has no access that is not available to other news outlets. It's simply that they're spending more time on it, though I think it's not as disproportinate as the previous poster thinks it is.

I don't think that the extra attention was "bought," by the government. If they are able to "buy" the attention on Fox, they can certainly buy it on CNN, etc. I don't think Natalee's family is so incredibly wealthy that they can buy as much coverage as Fox is giving to this, either.

The explanation is that Fox is simply more sensationalistic than most of the other major news outlets. This is nothing new. Most of the posters in here have already noticed and commented on it. They spend a lot of their time trying to exploit interest in the case, promising new information when you tune in. When you do tune in, however, it's just a rehash of old news most of the time.

[cast]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

Fox has not rereported the decapition or the Dario reporter story. They may have been told not to and then given more access to the head of police during the Sloots questioning last night and today.

Fox News did report on the decapitaion last night.

[chloe2]

We have ample sources on the voluntary appearance, CNN, his uncle, his employer, MSNBC .  he went in weds night and was arrested friday morning.  I guess I remember too much to remain sane on this site.   So much wheel reinventing ....    

I am referring to those sources - -the ones I watched/read offered varying takes on it -- some sounded like you say above, others made it sound like the police basically told him he needed to come in or they would bring him in.

Sorry to frustrate you Iquitos - not trying to reinvent the wheel. You've provided some interesting info.

[absolut]

Word in the industry is that Fox has had little to no trouble since last weekend with access in Aruba. They were the only network who took a hit from the Arubians by name for reporting what was eventually retracted. Looks like negotions after that ordeal gave Fox access, cnn and msnbc did not recieve.

So, because FOX retracted the misinformation, they now have access where the other stations do not?  Do I understand that correctly?  Does this imply that the other stations are not welcome on the island or in reporting on this case?  I find that hard to believe.  This still doesn't explain, however, the amount of airtime given to the story and the repetitive stories that seem to just be aired to keep the story in the news.  I still wonder if someone with a great deal of influence/money is working with FOX to keep this in the public eye for a while longer.  Perhaps the DEA/FBI or perhaps her parents, and for their own reasons.  I'm glad of the coverage, and just wondering if it is a spotlight that is much needed to expose a more complex situation than we first imagined.  Or maybe to allow the investigators to work away from the spotlight to bring her home.

First the other networks are not reporting from the island. Fox is. 2nd. The Govt blasted Fox in the press last weekend. Then geraldo heads down. Then fox gets the PM and everyother govt rep all week long on every primetime show they have.

Your wonder is a good possibilty. Alabama, Mountain Brook Red state and on and on. Look for Fox on Monday night to have some combination of Hannety, Greta, Bill in Mountain Brook

[cancon]

one of  own theories is the boys may have innocently taken Natalee to what they were calling an underground party and that some drug dealer or criminal type decided they wanted Natalee, whether to settle a debt or just because the guy wanted her, they are afraid to testify because they've been told they are dead or worse, they will their families if they say anything

on the other hand if the cops had all their phones tapped since the first night, it would seem the boys would have mentioned this at least once

another version of the theory might be the boys participated in a gang bang where poor Natalee was the victim, there may be a videotape, again some drug dealer or gangster type is holding Natalee and using the videotape as blackmail along with the other threats to keep their mouths shut....

[iquitos]

Has anybdy checked to see if Natalee has a Tickel account in her name?

just two rumours weird things I heard yesterday, I'm reviewing the forum starting from most recent and catching up on yesterday's posts so forgive me if this is old news

someone from my hometown was telling me they heard that Natalee had been corresponding with Joran by email BEFORE the trip to Aruba which explained her trust level, anyone hear anything like that?  the person told me that some of her friends were reporting this

and one of the editors of Diario was on Fox News last night and he seemed to be saying they had a lead that Natalie was alive, being held hostage by some Venezuelans, now it looks like Diario has alleged some false leads already but I thought it jived with the information the blogger that alleges their brother is in FBI that they think this will have a good outcome????

[chloe2]

The explanation is that Fox is simply more sensationalistic than most of the other major news outlets. This is nothing new. Most of the posters in here have already noticed and commented on it. They spend a lot of their time trying to exploit interest in the case, promising new information when you tune in. When you do tune in, however, it's just a rehash of old news most of the time.

Amen! Well put, Juvenal.

[TTownMike]

Just read the interview with DASH - at the very end she refers to the group's bus driver in Aruba acting as their unofficial tour guide - he encouraged them to go to C&C - I hope they interviewed him - my experience with bus drivers on tours has been that they know absolutely everything that is going on - who is interacting with whom - usually you aren't directed to someplace - even as much of a tourist magnet as C&C - without the driver being on the take a bit, setting it up in advance.

I had the same thought the first time I heard her say that. It made me wonder if he wasn't one of the people who led the parents to Joran in the first place (they talked to taxi drivers, etc.)  I imagine if he had any real knowledge, they would have brought him in for questioning.

From interview I read prev.' Beth insinuated the taxi driver may have known where he lived and told her!

[absolut]

Why do you think the "Diario Editor's" story was immediately cut off and not mentioned again?

Fox has not rereported the decapition or the Dario reporter story. They may have been told not to and then given more access to the head of police during the Sloots questioning last night and today.

Fox news did report the decapition story last night

They have not RE Reported it. It was on once at 8:15pm EST.

[Professor]

I posted this two hours agao:

Here's some cold, hard logic about Paulus Van der Sloot.

We know that he has helped his son "lawyer-up." Thus, we know that he isn't telling his son to come clean with what he knows about the disappearance of NH.

That leads to three possibilities:

1. He knows that NH is dead, and he is just trying to help his son beat the rap.

2. He knows his son is innocent. (Not credible. Because then there would be no reason to stonewall, or to give false stories and then to change them.)

3. He believes that NH is still alive, but he doesn't care if she is ever found.

But now I am adding alternative #4.

4. He was involved in a cover-up, or in the disposal of evidence, and so he is not just protecting his son's skin, but his own as well.

Take your pick. But under NONE of these scenarios does he come out as a loving father, driven solely by honorable motives. So, we can put that notion to bed for good.

[hope]

Hey- any word from Arubagirl-  I'll bet she discoverd some more info last night

[TTownMike]

I just keep going back to Law 101, who benefits from the crime. Who has the most to gain.

I have to lean to two brothers who are having to work their butts off to get things but yet they hang out with well to do kids who have everything. The brothers seem to bring the shady friends into the picture, which would make sense being as they seem to "try" to fit in with the "in crowd of popular well-to-do" younger kids in Aruba.

But Cali dear, I think the three amigos were and still are all in this thing tigether.  Whatever it turns out to be!

[AZLady]

First the other networks are not reporting from the island. Fox is. 2nd. The Govt blasted Fox in the press last weekend. Then geraldo heads down. Then fox gets the PM and everyother govt rep all week long on every primetime show they have.

Your wonder is a good possibilty. Alabama, Mountain Brook Red state and on and on. Look for Fox on Monday night to have some combination of Hannety, Greta, Bill in Mountain Brook

I also think many people do not realize the close association the media networks have with government and governmental agencies.  Media is a powerful force, and those who govern have known this for a very long time.

[iquitos]

There was a press release from the prosecutor that he was arrested.   His uncle told cnn the same thing that they came to the house early am and got him.  His employer on camera said he went in on wedsvoluntarily  to talk and did not show for work on Friday.  I think that is enough to believe this.  

We have ample sources on the voluntary appearance, CNN, his uncle, his employer, MSNBC .  he went in weds night and was arrested friday morning.  I guess I remember too much to remain sane on this site.   So much wheel reinventing ....    

I am referring to those sources - -the ones I watched/read offered varying takes on it -- some sounded like you say above, others made it sound like the police basically told him he needed to come in or they would bring him in.

Sorry to frustrate you Iquitos - not trying to reinvent the wheel. You've provided some interesting info.

[Michael22]

Michael22 - this could very well be the case! Interesting theory - I wonder why none of the Fox, MSNBC or CNN news have mentioned anything about any of the other horrific things supposedly going on on Aruba right now??!!

the reason why aruba wasn't talking they didn't want to advertise they're drug problem

the reason the kids aren't talking..they fear for their life
if they get out they'll be killed.??

the reason the fbi/investigators aren't talking they dont' want the people who have Natalee know that they know.....