RBN # 12 - 6/19 - 6/20/05

[sb]

Okay but let's go back to Day one.. or late morning of Natalee's disappearance.. first on the scene..DEA... why DEA.

The we have 12 FBI's within how long? Like we discussed the other day, FBI (was asked but 12?) goes international when there is a crime ring ("combating international and national organized crime").

So, we have DEA there before Natalee was missing and 12 FBI there after she is reported missing. I dunno but that's a pretty concrete clue right there.

Someone mentioned to me last night that another organization may have a large stake in this. There seems to be some evidence that the Internet and the child/teen pornography industry is involved in this case. If that is so, especially since the Netherlands is the ultimate authority here, INTERPOL may play a role. They focus on this kind of thing in the Netherlands like a laser beam.

And I have no doubt that The Company (you know who I mean   ) also has their fingers on this as well.

I wouldn't discount any LE organization at this point.

[mbhs05]

According to the Alabama Post-Herald, I'm sure it's that one because it was the only one I read from AL, the Twittys were seen departing with in a private jet with prominent Birmingham businessmen.
Fair enough, no word about relatives, wether they were there enough. I just found that a bit odd, to choose those people to fly with instead of your family.
But it's also possible that the inmediate family flew with that same flight, but the newspaper didn't report that.

Ahh, MBH, he should not have to, yes, but a lot of people here are calling for the cops here to reveal what they know.

Well family went with them...and they chose those people, because those people offered them help...and rumors abound here as to how much help (money wise), but factually, it's a good bit. Also, it's a way to fly down in private, so that the family could have time to get the facts and collect themselves. A commercial flight under the circumstance of a missing daughter...the airlines are horrible.

It's important that they not reveal anything that could harm the investigation.

[DAG]

According to the Alabama Post-Herald, I'm sure it's that one because it was the only one I read from AL, the Twittys were seen departing with in a private jet with prominent Birmingham businessmen.
Fair enough, no word about relatives, wether they were there enough. I just found that a bit odd, to choose those people to fly with instead of your family.
But it's also possible that the inmediate family flew with that same flight, but the newspaper didn't report that.

Ahh, MBH, he should not have to, yes, but a lot of people here are calling for the cops here to reveal what they know.

You also have to remember the Twitty's left very soon after they received word of Natalee's disappearance.  Others probably have to make arrangements about their work, or their kids, or a million reasons.  The Twitty's, due to the situation, dropped everything and left immediately, maybe others could not leave that soon.

[Professor]

Native, I would loooooooooooooooooooove to ask the family of NH some questions.

Just wondering. What questions would you ask?

[Dallas Also]

Regarding sending in "the calvary" from Houston, they may not have had mounted troops looking, but we did send down FBI search-dogs awhile back.

Technically they weren't FBI. They were Miami Dade florida Police Department search and rescue dogs and handlers who go all over the world to things like earthquakes, etc. looking for survivors.

Thank you for the details there, I appreciate it.

Regarding the dogs, I much prefer "here, find the scent" dogs to cadaver dogs.

Keep those "find the scent" dogs doing their job!

And keep those three guys in prison, they'll break.  It doesn't get more comfortable in there as time goes on, it becomes more agonizing.

[Yellow Ribbon]

mbhs05

I wondering how you and your classmates are doing. Are those of you who want help getting it? Is there anying that you know of that your classmates or the family needs?

[NativeLingo]

Bon nochi Jairo

[air23ac]

ok...not a crackpot here........but i talked to someone with relations to the fbi, they said that the detectives in aruba have expressed a desire to have the fbi take the lead but higher ups don't want that for assorted reasons-ie, pride and public appearance.........

isn't finding the girl the most important thing???

[arubagirl]

It's important that they not reveal anything that could harm the investigation.

And yet, "Steve". On the air. Should I attribute that to stress?

[inspector_detector]

Okay but let's go back to Day one.. or late morning of Natalee's disappearance.. first on the scene..DEA... why DEA.

The we have 12 FBI's within how long? Like we discussed the other day, FBI (was asked but 12?) goes international when there is a crime ring ("combating international and national organized crime").

So, we have DEA there before Natalee was missing and 12 FBI there after she is reported missing. I dunno but that's a pretty concrete clue right there.

Probably becuase some chaperones reported the drug pushers.

[Another K in Texas]

If they are cooperating, I think who is "in the lead" becomes academic.

Best results have them working shoulder to shoulder.

[katya]

So I went to Brianna's website... and found a familiar pic of a girl, Jetsy, who I believe was on Joren's younger brother's site.

Not that this has anything to do w/ the case, but I was looking at her comments section, about 3/4 of the way down the page, and noticed a post by our friend Marten, from thailand!

"Jetsy, if you send me any more messages .... I climb on my broomstick, take my few belongings with me .... and zoom at an astromically high speed towards Aruba..... You are so gorgeous ... Hugs, Marten a Dutchman living in Thailand"

Seriously, who is this guy and why has he been mentioned before on SM forum?  A follow up question, WTF is wrong with him???

Ben, you have to get our more!! SEA is a huge center for European sex tourists. I think just because he shares a common Dutch name and the internet is so far reaching, that this old pervert is beeing linked to the alleged perps.  I have an unusual name but I still get several hundred hits on google

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=kOq8kdyveeRIuBst

[Dallas Also]

ok...not a crackpot here........but i talked to someone with relations to the fbi, they said that the detectives in aruba have expressed a desire to have the fbi take the lead but higher ups don't want that for assorted reasons-ie, pride and public appearance.........

isn't finding the girl the most important thing???

I think we're ok with Aruba taking the lead, because the FBI has to work within the laws of Aruba.

The laws of Aruba are helpful in some ways, since they have a lower requirement prior to arresting someone.  And apparently, you can't bail out someone who has been arrested.

[Another K in Texas]

What is the steve question?  I honestly don't understand that one?

[mbhs05]

mbhs05

I wondering how you and your classmates are doing. Are those of you who want help getting it? Is there anying that you know of that your classmates or the family needs?

Thank you, but we're pushing along ok. Most of us are worried sick, but we can go about our lives ok. I've talked to her roomates and they are doing as well as they can. They're turning to each other for help. Thank you for being so concerened though!!!!!

[arubagirl]

It seems that Beth Twitty said that "Steve" would know everything on Fox.
Lo and behold, they arrest Steve Croes.

[Whitney]

Juvenal said in part

But I later considered that she might have been sold into the sex trade, which would be even more disturbing than a simple rape. (Please forgive me, if anyone close to Natalee is reading.)

The quick involvement of the DEA and the FBI might indicate that she's been kidnapped and packed away to another country not far from Aruba.

Still don't think that's the most plausible scenario. But it might explain the frustrating lack of information.

I started to look at my maps of Venezuela, particularly looking at the little peninsula pointing at the southern tip of Aurba: Penisula de Paraguana...that'd be only 24 miles or less, but 24 from the Aruba capitol.

Then when I saw the proximity of Columbia and all the rest of the SA countries that I usually pay little attention to and started to read about Aruba's history and its reputation as a traders place for several hundred years, I became a little more concerned.  

Fascinating history.

[iquitos]

this was essentially the message today on the radio which i did not translate for you.  the us media and the holloways are ganging up on aruba and applying unbearable pressure which is distracting them from the task at hand.  They are doing their best, they are just as concerned about natalee as anyone outside her immediate circle and they are uncomfortable with the blame, the impatience, and criticism they are being bombarded with.  There is plenty of blame to go around.  Why is the Alabama contingent not called to account for possible negligence in supervising the group?  Why is the underage drinking and other funny stuff only Aruba's fault and not of the ones who came to partake of it?  That kind of thing.  I don't know if I do it justice but they are feeling the heat beyond the point where they can do anything about it and think it unfair.  An example is this poor emt who is working on th Natalee search at Red Cross and is being teased because some blog has inseeted him into the conspiracy.  

"Two things:

THe policeman while insensitive and a doofus is a regular guy caught in the glare of the US press. I think we are used to the media circus, the questions, the intrusiveness, but Arubans aren't.

This is a sleepy island ffull of tourists, booze, casinos and beaches. Now this and in the context of suspicions of transnational crime as a background. The pressure is enormous and while some officials may be covering, we don't know that.

It is not fair to expect them to release all they know, it really isn't. And I think stuff is happening but you cannot make these boys talk short of torture and they are not going to do that.

I have been to many islands over the last 25 years. It is hard to understand that the islandeers I know have pride and are reserved, very. When you push them, they balk. Not because they are bad but because that is their way. They don't spill their guts, go on Jerry Springer and blab like we do.[/quote]

[NativeLingo]

ok...not a crackpot here........but i talked to someone with relations to the fbi, they said that the detectives in aruba have expressed a desire to have the fbi take the lead but higher ups don't want that for assorted reasons-ie, pride and public appearance.........

isn't finding the girl the most important thing???

I think we're ok with Aruba taking the lead, because the FBI has to work within the laws of Aruba.

The laws of Aruba are helpful in some ways, since they have a lower requirement prior to arresting someone.  And apparently, you can't bail out someone who has been arrested.

Thank you Dallas....you seem to understand....

[sb]

As has been stated, the DEA guys were already in Aruba- for another reason.

MAYBE IT ISN'T "ANOTHER REASON" ANYMORE...