RBN # 12 - 6/19 - 6/20/05

[Whitney]

hearin' this calypso beat in the background and  Ruben Trappenberg snapping his fingers, movin' his head back and forth and singin', "what you have to understand is our laws aren't the same as yours; we never hear about these cases, ever; we know to talk about the investigation, it could fatally jeopardize our case."

moves, back and just listens to the calypso beat...

[katya]

Okay, so the rumours about Natalee disappearing before are false.

So, what about the U.S. reps remarks? Those really really really have me intrigued.

Same here...but I'm betting he doesn't know the whole story either.
There's no way for us to know, though. He isn't going to tell, and he shouldn't.

They have undercover DEA agents on the ground. Probably reported a girl was to be sold into the sex trade the same time Natalee disappeared - just my hunch.

Right..hundreds of girls are stolen and sold into the sex trade from Aruba, but it has never ever been mentioned before. Natalle is a pretty young girl but really nothing special; sex rings don't really like to get in the news and there are plenty of much more beautiful blonde women who can be trafficed from Europe.  This whole trading her for a gambling debt sounds like something from a Romance novel.

I don't think the FBI really gets involved in the sex trade from foreign countries. I think it's a function of Natalee being American. I'll post up the statement for you.

Of course the FBI doesn't, but this doesn't signify, Foriegn tourists are not being stolen from the dutch antilles, mexico or st croix. American or euro or from oz, it ain't happening .

[NativeLingo]

Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills,

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”

Maybe this is why the family changed "MISSING" to "KIDNAPPED" on the flyers??????

[Compananzi]

My favorite calypso is sung by Ruben Trappenberg, the guy who is the government spokesman.

It's so damn funny.

He sings? Wow...

[inspector_detector]

Did Joran's dad make a recent trip there after Natalee's disappearance?

Yeah, I wonder if he had any 18 yr old blonde girls with him on the trip over there...

[Rosalie]

the more this drags on the more i think it is by design........it is allowing valuable evidence to become non-exsistent.

is aruba crime rate low, or do they just turn a blind eye on everything and not count it? (that was sarcastic before anyone goes crazy)

Well, count me sarcastic too !!!
Curious---  just what is considered a crime on Aruba ??

[luna]

Hey....I have some questions for those of you who have been following this from the beginning...what really happened when she left CnC's?

What did her friends say early on about her departure?

I've heard that she said she'd see them in a few minutes, sort of implying that the guys were just giving her a ride.  Did any of the students report anything else....like she was being lured away or something?   I guess what I'm wondering is did any student specifically say what happened when she left, or is just sort of generalizations from foggy memories?

Were any of the students partying with her and the three guys?

Any info on if the brothers had been with the group before?

TIA.

[Juvenal]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Aruba girl, I think it was probably just not knowing. In our counry except for minors, and frankly Jorans name might even be withheld, arrests are public record.  
Some newspapers  publish a blotter of every call just about the police make.
So we would think nothing about mentioning a name.  Now with minors their names are usually withheld.  They woud say for instance  John Doe, Jane Doe, and a juvenile were arrested.

Even if she had been told not to use the name, with all the stress, it would be so new and different she would forget.

I think it is as simple as our police blotters being public record.

Right. Have you ever noticed how the newspapers always give the age and address of the person arrested? That's so nobody with the same name is confused with the perp.

Also, have you noticed how with our country's most notorious criminals, they usually use the person's full name: John Wayne Gacy, Lee Harvey Oswald. That's so nobody else named Lee Oswald will have to get phone calls from curiosity seekers.

[Compananzi]

Okay, so the rumours about Natalee disappearing before are false.

So, what about the U.S. reps remarks? Those really really really have me intrigued.

Same here...but I'm betting he doesn't know the whole story either.
There's no way for us to know, though. He isn't going to tell, and he shouldn't.

They have undercover DEA agents on the ground. Probably reported a girl was to be sold into the sex trade the same time Natalee disappeared - just my hunch.

Where are you getting this number out of curiousity.....and why has the focus on these 100 girls not have been brought forward to the CNN or fox news...are you sure of this?
Right..hundreds of girls are stolen and sold into the sex trade from Aruba, but it has never ever been mentioned before. Natalle is a pretty young girl but really nothing special; sex rings don't really like to get in the news and there are plenty of much more beautiful blonde women who can be trafficed from Europe.  This whole trading her for a gambling debt sounds like something from a Romance novel.

[SPSII]

Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills,

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”

Maybe this is why the family changed "MISSING" to "KIDNAPPED" on the flyers??????

I didn't catch that change in the flyer.

[tuberide]

hello...have i missed anything since page 47 of #10?

i am way too lazy to try and read all that.....

thanks

[Another K in Texas]

Aruba has a very low crime rate.

I suspect that their police have never had to handle a case with this much attention and it has to be tough on them.

Arubagirl, I wonder about the Rep's comments also.

Unless the DEA agent has contacts that let him know something was up, I have no clue how so early in the case he would need to call the FBI.

[iquitos]

If you can't give a source you should be careful what you say.  Someone mentioned does not cut it.  company does not do law enforcement and even the FBI role overseas is limited to crime with a us connection.  I know from years in the biz.    

Okay but let's go back to Day one.. or late morning of Natalee's disappearance.. first on the scene..DEA... why DEA.

The we have 12 FBI's within how long? Like we discussed the other day, FBI (was asked but 12?) goes international when there is a crime ring ("combating international and national organized crime").

So, we have DEA there before Natalee was missing and 12 FBI there after she is reported missing. I dunno but that's a pretty concrete clue right there.

Someone mentioned to me last night that another organization may have a large stake in this. There seems to be some evidence that the Internet and the child/teen pornography industry is involved in this case. If that is so, especially since the Netherlands is the ultimate authority here, INTERPOL may play a role. They focus on this kind of thing in the Netherlands like a laser beam.

And I have no doubt that The Company (you know who I mean   ) also has their fingers on this as well.

I wouldn't discount any LE organization at this point.

[Dallas Also]

For me, it is ok that the investigation is dragging on.  

It can take quite some time to get someone back that has been grabbed.

But for example, there is a rumor that she was held in Lorenzo's basement.

Well, we can test that basement and see if she was there.  If she was, that is good news.  That means we're onto the trail that leads to her.

I will look forward to more news tomorrow.  I think we have 20 or more FBI there, I am trying to think back through all the stories.

I think that is a very large contingency.  And it is important.  They are the best in the world.

[arubagirl]

What we consider to be a crime is the same as in the U.S.

[inspector_detector]

Of course the FBI doesn't, but this doesn't signify, Foriegn tourists are not being stolen from the dutch antilles, mexico or st croix. American or euro or from oz, it ain't happening .

It doesn't happen that often, I don't suppose it would be good for the tourism business. But it does happen - Amy Bradley for example. Probably a lot more that doesn't get reported. My point is , that from the Rep's statement - it looks like they had some detailed information.

[NativeLingo]

Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills,

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”

Maybe this is why the family changed "MISSING" to "KIDNAPPED" on the flyers??????

That is exactly what happened......and there wasn´t even a demand for ransom.....Very strange if you ask me....

I didn't catch that change in the flyer.

[goon squad]

<<If this turns out to be much bigger than we originally thought and drugs or sex trade is involved..and the FBI and Aruban LE are working together in Natalee's best interest...to get her back alive...........Will all those bashing the Aruban LE appologize?>>


If the crime - whatever its scope or subject matter, whatever the current level of LE cooperation - if its genesis lies with JVDS and the Kalpoe brothers... then any investigation is affected by the decisions made by Aruban LE in the beginning.

So, if that's the case, then no, I won't be apologizing.

[mountainmac]

hello...have i missed anything since page 47 of #10?

i am way too lazy to try and read all that.....

thanks

LMAO...no doubt....

[DJTAYLOR]

the more this drags on the more i think it is by design........it is allowing valuable evidence to become non-exsistent.

is aruba crime rate low, or do they just turn a blind eye on everything and not count it? (that was sarcastic before anyone goes crazy)

Well, count me sarcastic too !!!
Curious---  just what is considered a crime on Aruba ??

Aruba's crime rate is very low believe me, i lived there,  it was  somthing like 3 murders in the past 3 4 years, i think this is also the reason why this case is taking so long, there not used to stuff like this happening, i was in shok when i heard it.......................