RBN # 12 - 6/19 - 6/20/05

[WoodGuy]

Here's a crazy thought.....imagine if it was some pyscho american tourist on a long vacation doing it (nat, strangled guy, other missing person)....

[chloe2]

Joran and his father were known to frequent bars and casinos until the wee hours of the morning.  Who among us would allow our teenagers to go out without a curfew no later than midnight?  Nothing good happens in the early morning hours.  IMO, the lack of rules assigned to Joran has contributed to this crime.

::raising hand::

Euro culture is very different than american culture. In fact, just a point to make, in Germany, they legally drink when they are 16 and drive when they are 18. Not sure if it is still the same but that was how it was when I was 16. The are a little more open with things in their culture, so IMHO I don't find it odd or unusual being they are from The Netherlands but that doesn't make someone a killer or bad person because they are able to stay out late at night.

Southern culture is different too. When I was growing up in Mississippi, I got my driver's permit at age 14 and could legally drive with anyone who had a license -- i.e. all my 15 year old friends. Also, underage drinking wasn't ''allowed'' per se, but let's just say it was certainly common. Most of the adults I knew regularly drove with a glass of bourbon in one hand. And I did not grow up among a bunch of uneducated people - these were doctors, lawyers, etc. It was just a lot more permissive. Not judging good or bad, just suggesting that this current obsession with 'why weren't there more restrictions!' is a little unrealistic and naive.

[mbhs05]

Joran and his father were known to frequent bars and casinos until the wee hours of the morning.  Who among us would allow our teenagers to go out without a curfew no later than midnight?  Nothing good happens in the early morning hours.  IMO, the lack of rules assigned to Joran has contributed to this crime.

Hey I'm allowed out after 12...and believe you me my parents are the "tight rein" type. Ask Dash. My mom is nuts about that. Granted I have to have a good reason to be out later...like prom or something, but still. These things aren't the judge of a good parent. I think what's more telling is that his dad lets him gamble and drink underage, and that his parents don't know where he is. I mean when I stay out after 12, I'd better damn sure be telling my parents my every move, or my keys are gone in a heartbeat.

So MBHS...since it is slow and you are talking teen stuff...let me ask a question. When I have teens spend the night here, I collect all their car keys until the morning. What would you think about this? (since your mom and I seem to be the same "type")  

Well...I dunno. It's the kind of thing my parents would do if I had lots of people over, but I never do, because it's a pain in the butt. I mooch of other people's houses. As a teen, of course I think it's strict...unless alcohol is involved, and then those keys should be gone in a second. But on the other hand, at least your house is safe, because no one can be sneaking in and out at all hours, and that's good. Means your kids will have a good rep, and also means their friends will always be allowed to stay at your house.
More good than bad, anyway.

[tuberide]

Here's a crazy thought.....imagine if it was some pyscho american tourist on a long vacation doing it (nat, strangled guy, other missing person)....

"strangled"? you mean partial decapitation

[KerinTX]

Joran and his father were known to frequent bars and casinos until the wee hours of the morning.  Who among us would allow our teenagers to go out without a curfew no later than midnight?  Nothing good happens in the early morning hours.  IMO, the lack of rules assigned to Joran has contributed to this crime.

Hey I'm allowed out after 12...and believe you me my parents are the "tight rein" type. Ask Dash. My mom is nuts about that. Granted I have to have a good reason to be out later...like prom or something, but still. These things aren't the judge of a good parent. I think what's more telling is that his dad lets him gamble and drink underage, and that his parents don't know where he is. I mean when I stay out after 12, I'd better damn sure be telling my parents my every move, or my keys are gone in a heartbeat.

So MBHS...since it is slow and you are talking teen stuff...let me ask a question. When I have teens spend the night here, I collect all their car keys until the morning. What would you think about this? (since your mom and I seem to be the same "type")  

extra set of keys??? most of us have them....um, nice try though

Kerin<---Born at night...not LAST night.
Emptying the pockets maybe?

[waitingtoknow]

folks- it has been a long day. i need to get some rest.  it has been good.  sleep tite and don't come up with any more half baked theories while i am gone.  just more arrests and some clarity here.

good night iquitos....sweet dreams..you are appreciated!

[Whitney]

Another K in Texas Catchin' up and wanted to thank you for the link to the Laredo case.  From my "sketchy reading" about Mexico-USA border conflicts, I've heard a lot more about California's and Arizona's issues than Texas's...the ones that are negatively reported.

I've wondered, where the US wants to "control access" to "uncontrolled border penetration," I wish they'd consider more robust physical barriers like the ones seen between West Bank and Israel, for instance.

Obviously, the political powers-that-be wouldn't entertain that issue, but it would obviate the need for 'Predator-like' drone surveilllance, etc., or trip-sensors, you know the litany.

I'm still at a loss why the inside the Beltway crowd can't grab this issue; hey, they nearly castrated Mr. Tancredo, (R) CO., for advocating border control.  The chief castra-tor would be Karl Rove-like harpies.

Then there's Coca-cola-guy President of Mexico....

....going to just quietly step off this soapbox and catch up on my reading...

[Professor]

When all is said and done, I think we can all agree that Mountain Brook High School made a big mistake in choosing Aruba as the site for their senior getaway trip.

I say this with all due respect for the people of Aruba. They have their own values and customs, and we, as Americans must respect that.

We can't expect everyone to hold the same values as we do.

[KerinTX]

OK MBHS...thanks for an honest teen answer.  

[Another K in Texas]

On the trip thing--we went through this last night.  Most families, even those in the working classes will find the money for trips such as this if the child really wants to go.

I had a friend who sold tamales to make the money for her daughter to go on a school trip to DC.  Where I teach now one of the teachers makes breakfast burritos and sells them and then takes herself and her daughter somewhere special with the money--this spring break that meant a trip to Europe.

Kids get jobs to help pay, and many of these trips even allow the payment in a couple of installments to lighten the load.

Going on the trip does not make a person rich.

[nancy_drew]

nancy_drew - Oh my, did I strike a cord there?

I'm not seeking news or reporting news.  Friday night, I had promised one of the MB kids to post a summary of the day.  So I did.


You are beligerent, interrogative, and frankly you cuss alot.  I'm ghosting you.

I also drink black coffee and straight scotch!!!

The next time you write those dear kids a list of "news", make sure you get it right!  And don't screw with me, got it?

~Nancy

[tuberide]

Joran and his father were known to frequent bars and casinos until the wee hours of the morning.  Who among us would allow our teenagers to go out without a curfew no later than midnight?  Nothing good happens in the early morning hours.  IMO, the lack of rules assigned to Joran has contributed to this crime.

Hey I'm allowed out after 12...and believe you me my parents are the "tight rein" type. Ask Dash. My mom is nuts about that. Granted I have to have a good reason to be out later...like prom or something, but still. These things aren't the judge of a good parent. I think what's more telling is that his dad lets him gamble and drink underage, and that his parents don't know where he is. I mean when I stay out after 12, I'd better damn sure be telling my parents my every move, or my keys are gone in a heartbeat.

So MBHS...since it is slow and you are talking teen stuff...let me ask a question. When I have teens spend the night here, I collect all their car keys until the morning. What would you think about this? (since your mom and I seem to be the same "type")  

extra set of keys??? most of us have them....um, nice try though

Kerin<---Born at night...not LAST night.
Emptying the pockets maybe?

haha- just raise them right, not an easy task

[klaasend]

folks- it has been a long day. i need to get some rest.  it has been good.  sleep tite and don't come up with any more half baked theories while i am gone.  just more arrests and some clarity here.

good night iquitos....sweet dreams..you are appreciated!

You just wanted to to the quote thing again huh, lol?

[mbhs05]

When all is said and done, I think we can all agree that Mountain Brook High School made a big mistake in choosing Aruba as the site for their senior getaway trip.

I say this with all due respect for the people of Aruba. They have their own values and customs, and we, as Americans must respect that.

We can't expect everyone to hold the same values as we do.

Well...for one the highschool chose nothing. Parents and kids chose it. Also it's been going on for a few years, with no problems. I saw nothing scary about the island when I was thinking about going. Much less scary than other places I've been out of the country.

I'm not so sure I feel confident now...they didn't start looking soon enough, and didn't make arrests soon enough...it's not like I think that this is a common thing, it's just that it doesn't seem to be handled well. They haven't had experience with this.

[KerinTX]

nancy_drew - Oh my, did I strike a cord there?

I'm not seeking news or reporting news.  Friday night, I had promised one of the MB kids to post a summary of the day.  So I did.


You are beligerent, interrogative, and frankly you cuss alot.  I'm ghosting you.

I also drink black coffee and straight scotch!!!

The next time you write those dear kids a list of "news", make sure you get it right!  And don't screw with me, got it?

~Nancy

[CaliGirl]

Joran and his father were known to frequent bars and casinos until the wee hours of the morning.  Who among us would allow our teenagers to go out without a curfew no later than midnight?  Nothing good happens in the early morning hours.  IMO, the lack of rules assigned to Joran has contributed to this crime.

Hey I'm allowed out after 12...and believe you me my parents are the "tight rein" type. Ask Dash. My mom is nuts about that. Granted I have to have a good reason to be out later...like prom or something, but still. These things aren't the judge of a good parent. I think what's more telling is that his dad lets him gamble and drink underage, and that his parents don't know where he is. I mean when I stay out after 12, I'd better damn sure be telling my parents my every move, or my keys are gone in a heartbeat.

So MBHS...since it is slow and you are talking teen stuff...let me ask a question. When I have teens spend the night here, I collect all their car keys until the morning. What would you think about this? (since your mom and I seem to be the same "type")  

Making note for when my daughter is 16 lol I don't think it's bad Kerin, my daughter is only turning six and I already have the new Guardian Angel with her all times.

Yeah, I am an overprotective mommy lol.

[tuberide]

On the trip thing--we went through this last night.  Most families, even those in the working classes will find the money for trips such as this if the child really wants to go.

I had a friend who sold tamales to make the money for her daughter to go on a school trip to DC.  Where I teach now one of the teachers makes breakfast burritos and sells them and then takes herself and her daughter somewhere special with the money--this spring break that meant a trip to Europe.

Kids get jobs to help pay, and many of these trips even allow the payment in a couple of installments to lighten the load.

Going on the trip does not make a person rich.

what is your point already??? regardless on how the trip was paid for, in the eyes of MANY foreigners, ALL americans are rich, ESPecially those on vacations

[mbhs05]

OK MBHS...thanks for an honest teen answer.  

Haha...anytime.

[goon squad]

<<"arubagirl"

Why do you keep talking to the press about stuff that someone would think are better to be kept confidential (i.e. the "Steve" thing).>>

Word of the Croes arrest was on this board at 9:14 AM on Friday.  The official press release lists "S.G.C." and a birthdate.  In the 11 AM hour, Top 95 reports last name "Croes."  In the 12 noon hour, the name "Steve Croes" is on the Web; it appears on this site at 12:45 PM.  References to detainee's father being "prominent businessman" or "in government" appear throughout.  At 1:04, detainee is identified as divorced with a two-year-old child.  

From what I can gather, most, if not all, of this information was public before Beth Holloway said "Steve" to the Associated Press.

[KerinTX]

Tuberide,
I forgot to mention that I am holding 10 sets of keys right now. I thought maybe I should sleep in my driveway or something.