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« Reply #120 on: September 26, 2015, 04:04:41 PM »

BEHIND THE INVESTIGATIVE SCENES

Blink - June 23, 2010

46. .... "Let me say this- I am a fan of this MCSO. From Dan Staton to Jason Gates and his team, they have done everything right in my eyes.  I have studied his election campaign, and his career, and this guy is a cops cop and a people’s sheriff. This community is lucky to have him.  That said, I also understand people’s frustration that their information is validated.  I am asking that folks put this Investigative team in a position of faith and trust, above your need to know. This is about Kyron, not us." B

Read more:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/comment-page-3/#comments

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The ongoing case update briefings with investigators imply that Kyron's parents are in the know.  However ... inquiring minds want to know ....

(a)  Was the photo time-stamped?

(b)  What was the time lapse between the photo time-stamp and the sighting of Terri, Kiara and Kyron outside the school?

(c)  How is it possible that Terri Horman drove from Skyline to Fred Meyers and ... made a purchase in 12 minutes?


1.  STAY TUNED FOLKS

A Posted Timeline

Kyron Horman: Timeline of events since boy's disappearance
May 28, 2015


Kyron Horman went missing Friday, June 4, 2010.  This is a timeline of events. ....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_timeline_of_event.html


The Timeline is not Accurate

Desiree Young - May 28, 2015


"This timeline is not accurate, stay tuned folks. Watch for the 5 year vigil on the 4th."

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Hormans-World-Soldiers/161645780592018


A Few New Announcements

Kaine Horman - May 20, 2015


Web site is back online. Sorry for the delay. Completely new server to handle any amount of traffic. Had to rebuild the site template and am still re-adding content. Information is being updated on the site and we'll have a few new announcements for you to share shortly so have those mouse fingers ready.

http://www.bringkyronhome.org/


2.  THE REVELATION?

This is the Moment

Desiree Davidson Young - May 21, 2015


Yes this is the moment just before he walked out of the school, down the sidewalk with Terri and Kiara right next to him and then he disappeared. Well Terri and Kiara made it back to the house, why didn't Kyron? Where's Kyron?

I have studied this photo so many times to try to reach in and take him out of the moment that he will never return from....the moment his life was changed forever, I wish I could go into that photo to protect him from her. Terri, where's Kyron?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=821922851230971




It's Terri's Fault; Not Skyline

Desiree Davidson Young - May 29, 2015

"... Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That's why the school didn't question it further. It's Terri's fault that Ky is missing today not Skyline's. ..."

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=982294721802125&id=125336750831264&comment_id=982299921801605&reply


It wasn't a Stranger

Desire Young - June 4, 2015


"It wasn't a stranger that came into Kyron's school and took him. It was someone we knew in our trusted circle."  "We firmly believe that Terri has worked with people on this, had help after the fact."

http://kobi5.com/news/local-news/item/5-years-since-kyron-horman-disappearance-search-still-going-strong.html#.VaRVeflViko


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« Reply #121 on: September 27, 2015, 09:08:34 AM »

BEHIND THE INVESTIGATIVE SCENES (Continued)


3.  THE IMPOSSIBLE TIMELINE

Terri Horman - June 5, 2010

Terri Horman e-mails: 'They are blaming me'
Aug 9, 2010


Long before news of the alleged murder-for-hire plot and sexting affairs, it seems Terri Moulton Horman knew suspicions were settled on her, according to e-mails written by Horman and obtained first by KATU News.

“They are blaming me in the blogs. I just want to scream,” she wrote in one e-mail to a KATU News source the day after her stepson, Kyron Horman, was reported to be vanished from Skyline School during a science fair. Investigators say Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron.

I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left.

<snipped>

I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them ..."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html


4.  ACCOMPLICES?

Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill - August 11, 2010

Kyron Horman investigators ask public to help track white pickup Terri Horman drove
August 11, 2010


Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

Underhill said investigators want to identify anybody "in or in immediate proximity to that truck."

"We're looking for additional witnesses," he added, standing in the Brooks Hill Historic Church across from the school in front of blown-up photos of the Horman truck staged at each location.

The appeal to the public comes as investigators continue to try to determine the whereabouts of Terri Moulton Horman and her friend DeDe Spicher during overlapping hours on the day Kyron disappeared.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


Desiree Young - August 28, 2010

08-28-2010, 12:02 PM
BeanE

White Truck Transciption


Kaine Horman & Desiree Young 8/27 pt.2
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kaine-Horman--Desiree-Young-827-pt-2-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.html

-2:50

Reporter: Potentially one person in the truck... three people... the white truck, Terri's truck... can you talk...

Desiree: (interrupts) Kaine's truck (laughs)

<snipped>

Desiree: Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it?

You know. I mean it's significant in a huge way to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did? That contradicts that completely.

So I mean, other than that (shrugs), that's how significant it was to me.

Reporter: How authentic do you think that witness is? I mean how...

Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side) Very authentic.

Reporter: So it's a credible...

Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side and down) Yep.

<snipped>

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?112948-8-27-KGW-TV-Interview-with-Desiree-and-Kaine/page3

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« Reply #122 on: September 28, 2015, 12:12:04 PM »

THE APPOINTMENT

It appears that the teacher was not alone in her belief that Kyron had a doctor's appointment on June 4, 2010.  According to his mother ... Kurtis also had that understanding.  Then there is Desiree's May 29, 2015 revelation providing both the teacher and Kurtis affirmation.


The Teacher

Terri Horman e-mails: 'They are blaming me'
Aug 9, 2010


<snipped>

“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. ...”

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html


Kim Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date
July 21, 2010


<snipped>

Kim Holm’s son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

“And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime. ....

At 1:21 that afternoon Terri Horman posted the science fair photos on her Facebook page.

<snipped>

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html




Kyron's Mother

Desiree Davidson Young - May 29, 2015


"... Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That's why the school didn't question it further. It's Terri's fault that Ky is missing today not Skyline's. ..."

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=982294721802125&id=125336750831264&comment_id=982299921801605&reply
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« Reply #123 on: September 28, 2015, 12:38:38 PM »

A RETRACTION?

Inquiring minds want to know why the Gina Zimmerman comments were deleted from the following article in a June 18, 2010 update.  Could it be that there was a retraction by Gina? Could it be that investigators requested the deletion not wanting the investigation to be compromised? The deletion was a topic of discussion on the SM forum.


Original Article

Authorities upgrade search for missing Portland boy to major crimes investigation
By Allan Brettman, The Oregonian
June 05, 2010, 9:37AM


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Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years.

“He’s not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around,” Zimmerman said. “He’s just a timid, sweet boy.”

Zimmerman said she was in contact with the father, Kaine Korman, and stepmother, Terri Korman, and detectives Friday night. “Everybody’s just worried and in shock that this could happen in our little school where everybody knows everybody.”

She said the K-8 school has about 300 students.

Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Korman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said.

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Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class.

“Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.”

Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said.

“We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has a 16-year-old brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8388.msg1213302;topicseen#msg1213302
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« Reply #124 on: September 28, 2015, 02:12:16 PM »

Hi everyone! Haven't posted in a long time but get over to read some! Miss y'all! Question...Last night on MSNBC(I think)there was a doc about missing Iowa newspaper boy Johnny Gosh. Been gone 30 yrs now and believed to have been trafficked. A man in prison came forward to say he was taken by traffickers and even helped abduct him for the elder pedo of the ring to sell. He called this pedo COLONEL. Now back to Kyron, way back we watched some very weird videos posted on YouTube about Kyron possibly given to s sex ring and wasn't one in the group called COLONEL??? Is my memory way off? I'm older, still somewhat sane, haha but known to be sooo wrong! Just wishing there was some connection, answer, something for this baby boy!!!
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« Reply #125 on: September 28, 2015, 06:01:33 PM »

Hi everyone! Haven't posted in a long time but get over to read some! Miss y'all! Question...Last night on MSNBC(I think)there was a doc about missing Iowa newspaper boy Johnny Gosh. Been gone 30 yrs now and believed to have been trafficked. A man in prison came forward to say he was taken by traffickers and even helped abduct him for the elder pedo of the ring to sell. He called this pedo COLONEL. Now back to Kyron, way back we watched some very weird videos posted on YouTube about Kyron possibly given to s sex ring and wasn't one in the group called COLONEL??? Is my memory way off? I'm older, still somewhat sane, haha but known to be sooo wrong! Just wishing there was some connection, answer, something for this baby boy!!!

Hi melisb

I am not sure what videos you are referring to but ... I have read the speculation about Kyron possibly being handed over to a sex ring.

I adhere to a theory that the secreting of Kyron Horman was not necessarily about Terri wanting to harm her stepson ... only eliminating him from the picture.

Could it be that Dede's former child advocate boyfriend had connections to a safe haven network?

Could that the investigative dots have yet to be connected because Terri, Dede nor JW have no knowledge as to the location where Kyron was secreted?  In other words ... Kyron is alive and safe!!

Could it be that Dede and her former boyfriend have been afforded immunity in exchange for the truth ... in exchange for their testimony in an eventual trial ... pertaining to their participation in the happenings encompassing the secreting of Kyron?

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Desiree Young - November 15, 2010

On Friday LE showed Desiree emails Terri had sent to friends describing her marriage to Kaine and her feelings about Kyron.

"It's very clear from Terri's horrible words that she had a severe hatred for Kyron, and that a lot... she blamed a lot of the marital problems between Kaine and herself on Kyron, that it was a huge point of contention in their marriage, and she had expressed in great detail her hatred for Kyron. ..."
http://www.today.com/id/26184891/vp/40192247#40192247
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« Reply #126 on: September 28, 2015, 08:33:22 PM »

THE KYRON HORMAN CASE - THE SECRETING OF KYRON?

Reading Between the Lines

1.  According to Kaine


October 25, 2010:  "I believe that Respondent has harmed or secreted Kyron.''
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html

October 25, 2010:  19. "... Law enforcement officials have informed me that more than one circuit court judge has determined probable cause exists to implicate Respondent in Kyron's disappearance and in the murder for hire plot.   Respondent and her lawyers are also aware of this. ..."
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/petition.PDF

June 3, 2011:  "In light of something not breaking, coming forward quickly, this is going to be a marathon, not a sprint.  This could go on for two, three, four years, potentially without closure."
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-1-year-anniversary-123042478.html

May 30, 2015:  "She has become a dead end as far as making progress,  Someone else was involved. There's someone we don't know about."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html

June 2, 2015:  "Somebody else is involved with his disappearance and we need investigators to continue to focus on other avenues that might reveal who those person or persons are."
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2015/06/02/kyron-horman-father-kaine-horman/28385267/

June 2, 2015:  "You know they've done a lot of due diligence in the searching around here and as the searches continue and nothing is found the probability goes up that he is still out there and he's with somebody else."
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2015/06/02/kyron-horman-father-kaine-horman/28385267/

June 3, 2015:  "I would call it a belief because to me hope is passive. Hope is, 'Gosh, I don't know what will happen, I sure hope it turns out well,' as opposed to, I believe he is alive. It's a much different statement."
http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/Five-years-later-why-Kyron-Hormans-dad-believes-hes-alive-305768091.html

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« Reply #127 on: September 29, 2015, 11:59:19 AM »

THE KYRON HORMAN CASE - THE SECRETING OF KYRON? (Continued)

Reading Between the Lines

2.  According to Desiree


June 29, 2010:  "I believe that he s stashed I believe it's the investigation that's going to lead us [to him]."
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11755380/

June 21, 2014:  “We have lots of evidence. We just don’t have that final thing, the final answer. It’s frustrating.  It’s not a stranger that walked into Kyron’s school that took him. It was someone in our trusted circle. We know who has the answer, she just refuses to talk.”
http://koin.com/2014/06/21/volunteers-family-continue-search-for-kyron-horman/

July 11, 2014:  "DA's Office will prosecute for all of the murder for hire plots (oh yeah, there are several) as well as Kyron's kidnapping and subsequent charges for that, when we find Kyron. They want to hit her with both barrels, so it sticks, and she can't get off easy. Terri is going down and so are the people who have helped her along the way.  Just a matter of Kyron being found first. The one and only person in the way of that is Terri."
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kyron-Horman-Case-Turning-of-The-Tide/1428477140699516

May 21, 2015:  "Yes this is the moment just before he walked out of the school, down the sidewalk with Terri and Kiara right next to him and then he disappeared. Well Terri and Kiara made it back to the house, why didn't Kyron? Where's Kyron?  I have studied this photo so many times to try to reach in and take him out of the moment that he will never return from....the moment his life was changed forever, I wish I could go into that photo to protect him from her. Terri, where's Kyron?"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=821922851230971

May 29, 2015:  " .... Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That's why the school didn't question it further. It's Terri's fault that Ky is missing today not Skyline's. ...
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=982294721802125&id=125336750831264&comment_id=982299921801605&reply_comment_id=982316055

June 4, 2015: "It wasn't a stranger that came into Kyron's school and took him. It was someone we knew in our trusted circle."  "We firmly believe that Terri has worked with people on this, had help after the fact."
http://kobi5.com/news/local-news/item/5-years-since-kyron-horman-disappearance-search-still-going-strong.html#.VaRVeflViko

June 4, 2015:  "Absolutely without a doubt, with all my heart I know that she (Terri) did it. I think she was working with one or two possible people but absolutely she did it. We know at least Dede Spicher. Yeah ... she is one of them." (Video Excerpt - 2:15)
http://www.kptv.com/story/29245636/family-friends-hold-vigil-for-kyron-horman-5-years-after-disappearance
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« Reply #128 on: September 29, 2015, 12:01:17 PM »

THE KYRON HORMAN CASE - THE SECRETING OF KYRON? (Continued)

Reading Between the Lines

3.  According to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton


September 17, 2010:  When asked if people would be shocked to find out what they know, Staton took a long silence.  "I know I'm taking a long pause on that, I have to think through that answer. I think there are things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you, that you'll think about later on when it's over. We have a knowledge of things we don't want to know about ... of things we wish we didn't know."
http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html
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« Reply #129 on: September 29, 2015, 12:04:05 PM »

THE KYRON HORMAN CASE - THE SECRETING OF KYRON? (Continued)

Reading Between the Lines

4.  According to Dede's Former Boyfriend


The Letter - August 18, 2010

Excerpts:


"I suspect that sometime after we broke-up on August 1st, 2009, DeDe reconnected with Terri and Terri found DeDe to be a good listener, provided sound feedback and possibly provided each other with emotional respite. This cultivated to gaining DeDe’s trust and support."

"Terri may have told DeDe some story that Kyron was in danger and that Kaine was a bad dad and husband and that she needed to find a safe place for Kyron for a few days while she was dealing with Kaine in some way that would produce a long term solution."

"If DeDe is indeed involved, she probably thought she was helping protect Kyron and that she was somehow doing an act of child advocacy as well as helping a friend get out of a bad and unsafe situation."

"I believe in my heart that Kyron is still alive and stashed at a safe house. The DeDe that I knew very well for 10 months would have no part of harm to a child or getting rid of abody, no way."

"I am a child advocate who has more volunteer time helping endangered and displaced Multnomah county children than any other man out there. I care more than anyone can realize and pray hard for Kyron’s safe return."

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html


Internet Postings - August 2010

Excerpts:


"I have learned that she is waiting for the DA to offer her immunity to testify about what she knows and her involvement."

"I am convinced that Kyron is at a safe house somewhere far away.

"I am not giving anyone false hope by saying this, Kyron is alive and we will remember the day he is united with his family like the people of the sixties remember the day of the Kennedy assassination. I pray everyday without interruption for God to guide and direct the investigators to Kyron's location."

"I possess no inside information from investigators, rather I am reading the cards on the table from what I know of DeDe and the investigation and what has been reported in the media and internet. It takes a special kind of evil to kill an innocent child and I feel that at least DeDe would never do such a thing, rather cooperate with a good friend if the story she was told was plausable enough."

"DeDe presented to be a trusting person and just didnt hang out with "the wrong crowd" so to speak."

"How would a kidnapping scenario play out??? They would have a network of people taking Kyron out of state for unknown reasons, but a well thought out explanation for Kyron and the others involved."

"It was depriving Kane of his precious son that was the motivation here, not killing Kyron."

"I suspect that everyone involved knows know that they are in such huge trouble, facing multiple felonies and decades in prison, they are trying to save their tails and allowing LE to prove that they are involved."

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http://www.realitychatter.com/t2666-jw-name-removed-initials-only-please
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« Reply #130 on: September 29, 2015, 12:52:44 PM »

Hi everyone! Haven't posted in a long time but get over to read some! Miss y'all! Question...Last night on MSNBC(I think)there was a doc about missing Iowa newspaper boy Johnny Gosh. Been gone 30 yrs now and believed to have been trafficked. A man in prison came forward to say he was taken by traffickers and even helped abduct him for the elder pedo of the ring to sell. He called this pedo COLONEL. Now back to Kyron, way back we watched some very weird videos posted on YouTube about Kyron possibly given to s sex ring and wasn't one in the group called COLONEL??? Is my memory way off? I'm older, still somewhat sane, haha but known to be sooo wrong! Just wishing there was some connection, answer, something for this baby boy!!!

Hi melisb

I am not sure what videos you are referring to but ... I have read the speculation about Kyron possibly being handed over to a sex ring.

I am inclined to agree with the speculations of Dede's former child advocate boyfriend who posted on a forum that the secreting of Kyron Horman was not necessarily about Terri wanting to harm her stepson ... only eliminating him from the picture.

Could it be that Dede's former child advocate boyfriend had connections to a child haven network?  Could that the investigative dots have yet to be connected because Terri, Dede nor JW have a clue as to the location where Kyron was secreted?  In other words ... Kyron is alive and safe!!


The vids on YouTube were by some weird lady that went by "world_ _" something? They would use Google map street views with that persons speculations typed on the screen. It showed TH's confirmed route and music played the whole time. I do remember it showing a home where boys were supposedly kept. Anything ringing a bell? Our wonderful Monkey sleuthers knew who this wacky lady was that put these videos up. For some reason I remember it saying something about a "Dr. XXXX" or someone called "doctor" and I thought I remembered the video referencing a "Colonel
" ? I just don't know!  One minute I believe TH got rid of Ky to hurt his Dad. Then next minute I believe that no matter how Kyron left he was passed to people who wanted a child to use for themselves or trafficking. I just keep praying that Mom and Dad get confirmation on whether their baby is still with us or in Heaven.
THE KYRON HORMAN CASE - THE SECRETING OF KYRON? (Continued)

Reading Between the Lines

4.  According to Dede's Former Boyfriend


The Letter - August 18, 2010

Excerpts:


"I suspect that sometime after we broke-up on August 1st, 2009, DeDe reconnected with Terri and Terri found DeDe to be a good listener, provided sound feedback and possibly provided each other with emotional respite. This cultivated to gaining DeDe’s trust and support."

"Terri may have told DeDe some story that Kyron was in danger and that Kaine was a bad dad and husband and that she needed to find a safe place for Kyron for a few days while she was dealing with Kaine in some way that would produce a long term solution."

"If DeDe is indeed involved, she probably thought she was helping protect Kyron and that she was somehow doing an act of child advocacy as well as helping a friend get out of a bad and unsafe situation."

"I believe in my heart that Kyron is still alive and stashed at a safe house. The DeDe that I knew very well for 10 months would have no part of harm to a child or getting rid of abody, no way."

"I am a child advocate who has more volunteer time helping endangered and displaced Multnomah county children than any other man out there. I care more than anyone can realize and pray hard for Kyron’s safe return."

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html


Internet Postings - August 2010

Excerpts:


"I have learned that she is waiting for the DA to offer her immunity to testify about what she knows and her involvement."

"I am convinced that Kyron is at a safe house somewhere far away.

"I am not giving anyone false hope by saying this, Kyron is alive and we will remember the day he is united with his family like the people of the sixties remember the day of the Kennedy assassination. I pray everyday without interruption for God to guide and direct the investigators to Kyron's location."

"I possess no inside information from investigators, rather I am reading the cards on the table from what I know of DeDe and the investigation and what has been reported in the media and internet. It takes a special kind of evil to kill an innocent child and I feel that at least DeDe would never do such a thing, rather cooperate with a good friend if the story she was told was plausable enough."

"DeDe presented to be a trusting person and just didnt hang out with "the wrong crowd" so to speak."

"How would a kidnapping scenario play out??? They would have a network of people taking Kyron out of state for unknown reasons, but a well thought out explanation for Kyron and the others involved."

"It was depriving Kane of his precious son that was the motivation here, not killing Kyron."

"I suspect that everyone involved knows know that they are in such huge trouble, facing multiple felonies and decades in prison, they are trying to save their tails and allowing LE to prove that they are involved."

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« Reply #131 on: September 29, 2015, 01:04:25 PM »

Sooooooo sorry TamikosMom! I landed my plane right between your two posts! ::MonkeyWink::Have a good day and maybe you can help me figure out if I'm delusional or my memory is half right!
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« Reply #132 on: September 29, 2015, 01:24:05 PM »

Sooooooo sorry TamikosMom! I landed my plane right between your two posts! ::MonkeyWink::Have a good day and maybe you can help me figure out if I'm delusional or my memory is half right!

 

I asked my hubby similar questions when daughter and eldest son offered to be present with us at the signing pertaining to a real estate transaction.  Hey ... maybe we are getting up there but ....

Anyways ... we took them up on their offer as a precaution.  It could be that putting the salt and pepper shakers in the fridge is a foreboding sign.

The Kyron Horman Case?  Considering the ongoing briefings that Kyron's parents have with investigators regarding case updates ...  my position is "If Kaine or Desiree say it; I believe it".  In other words ... when the official source is considered ... logic dictates that they are privy to the happenings behind the scenes within the investigation.

Also ... it makes perfect sense that after five years Kyron's parents would not be focused on Terri without an official foundation to derive from.  They would have taken a different path in the desperate quest for the answers they seek ... answers that will bring their precious son home.

Have a good day melisb.  I am looking after my seven month old granddaughter.  I think I may walk over to my neighbour's home with her when she wakes from her nap and show her off.  Later.

Janet


Reminder

MCSO Statement - July 30, 2013


"The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office remains in close contact with the parents of Kyron regarding the course of the investigation."

http://koin.com/2013/07/30/31700-autosave/


DA Don Rees - October 8, 2013

"The fact that law enforcement has necessarily conveyed this information to Kaine Horman does not waive the longstanding and well-recognized privileged and confidential nature of information relating to a pending criminal investigation."

"Kaine Horman should be prohibited from answering any questions about law enforcement methods used to investigate his son's disappearance, physical evidence gathered, witness statements or questions asked by law enforcement, or whether he has testified before a grand jury."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/attorneys_for_kaine_horman_and.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/174592563/Horman-Divorce-Court-Docs

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« Reply #133 on: September 29, 2015, 04:11:35 PM »

THE INVESTIGATIVE SOURCE - THE OFFICIAL SOURCE

Kyron's Parents - In Their Own Words

Kaine Horman - Affidavit - October 25, 2010


19. "... Law enforcement officials have informed me that more than one circuit court judge has determined probable cause exists to implicate Respondent in Kyron's disappearance and in the murder for hire plot.   Respondent and her lawyers are also aware of this. ..."

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/petition.PDF

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html


Desiree Young - November 15, 2010

On Friday LE showed Desiree emails Terri had sent to friends describing her marriage to Kaine and her feelings about Kyron.

"It's very clear from Terri's horrible words that she had a severe hatred for Kyron, and that a lot... she blamed a lot of the marital problems between Kaine and herself on Kyron, that it was a huge point of contention in their marriage, and she had expressed in great detail her hatred for Kyron. ..."
http://www.today.com/id/26184891/vp/40192247#40192247


Desiree Young - February 22, 2011

"Right before the holidays Tony and I received a briefing from LE where they gave us all the evidence on the case.  We're confident from that briefing that we have the right person.  Terri put everything in writing.  She had a severe severe hatred for Kyron and she made no mystery to how she felt.  She very clearly wanted him out of her life."

Video:
http://www.kpic.com/news/116678914.html?t=a&video=pop


Desiree Young - March 5, 2011

"I have full confidence in the truth and in God, he will reveal all that I know and all that the police know when he feels it is time for everyone to see and when he can bring my Kyron home. That is when people will see the true Terri Horman and you will be disappointed and sickened to point of throwing up."

https://www.facebook.com/KHOnlineD/photos/a.149091225123584.27207.145821285450578/


Kaine Horman - June 3, 2011

"In light of something not breaking, coming forward quickly, this is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. This could go on for two, three, four years, potentially without closure."

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-1-year-anniversary-123042478.html


Kaine Horman - August 15, 2012

Video Excerpt (1:40)

In newly released transcript from a June hearing Kyron father say that police now have mounting evidence against the boy's stepmother.  "It significantly strengthened their believe that she had involvement. ..."

http://www.kgw.com/story/local/2015/07/01/12309684/


Kaine Horman - July, 2013

“We still have extreme confidence that they’re going to drive resolution to the case. Law enforcement is again asking us to help protect the information as much as we can, so it doesn’t interfere with the integrity of what they’re doing. And we’re doing our best in the civil arena to do that."

http://koin.com/2013/07/30/31700-autosave/


Desiree Young - July 30, 2013

“I don’t want anything to compromise the ongoing investigation for Kyron. For these reasons, I have instructed my attorneys to dismiss the civil case.”

http://koin.com/2013/07/30/31700-autosave/


Desiree Young - September 1, 2013

"I never do anything without talking to them (LE) ... without consulting them (LE)."

http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-interview-Desiree-Young--222019741.html


Desiree Young - September 17, 2013

"I am 150 percent confident that Terri Horman should be charged in the case.  Maybe we haven't found Kyron yet but We have a lot of circumstantial evidence tying Terri to Kyron's disappearance. ...."

http://ijpr.org/post/kyron-horman-search-his-mother-continues


Kaine Horman - February 20, 2014

"There is nothing more important to me than keeping my daughter safe and bringing him [Kyron] home.  We have work to do. A lot of it is happening outside the courtroom, so we have a lot of things that need to get done. We are continuing to work with investigators and we're continuing to drive closure to his [Kyron's] case."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Terri-Horman-fights-To-Question-Landscaper-242247221.html


Desiree Young - July 11, 2014

"DA's Office will prosecute for all of the murder for hire plots (oh yeah, there are several) as well as Kyron's kidnapping and subsequent charges for that, when we find Kyron. They want to hit her with both barrels, so it sticks, and she can't get off easy. Terri is going down and so are the people who have helped her along the way.  Just a matter of Kyron being found first.  The one and only person in the way of that is Terri."

https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kyron-Horman-Case-Turning-of-The-Tide/1428477140699516


Desiree Young - June 21, 2014

“We have lots of evidence. We just don’t have that final thing, the final answer. It’s frustrating.  It’s not a stranger that walked into Kyron’s school that took him. It was someone in our trusted circle. We know who has the answer, she just refuses to talk.”

http://koin.com/2014/06/21/volunteers-family-continue-search-for-kyron-horman/


Desiree Davidson Young - May 21, 2015

"Yes this is the moment just before he walked out of the school, down the sidewalk with Terri and Kiara right next to him and then he disappeared. Well Terri and Kiara made it back to the house, why didn't Kyron? Where's Kyron?"

"I have studied this photo so many times to try to reach in and take him out of the moment that he will never return from....the moment his life was changed forever, I wish I could go into that photo to protect him from her. Terri, where's Kyron?"

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=821922851230971


Desiree Davidson Young - May 29, 2015

"Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That's why the school didn't question it further. It's Terri's fault that Ky is missing today not Skyline's."

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=982294721802125&id=125336750831264&comment_id=982299921801605&reply_comment_id=982316055


Desiree Young - June 3, 2015

"It is Terri. We also know she was working with someone, we still don't know if it was just that someone else or if there were other people, but we definitely know it was Terri. Law enforcement is confident in that, even though they haven't named her a person of interest in that case, it's strategic, it's Terri.  We just need to figure out what happened."

"I'm not going to accept the silence. I'm going to fight against it and we're going to get answers because I refuse for this to go on.  I have hope, I have dreams all the time of Kyron coming home and they are so realistic and I want that to be our moment."

http://www.ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_vid_16304.shtml


Desiree Young - June 4, 2015

Video Excerpt

"Absolutely without a doubt, with all my heart I know that she (Terri) did it. I think she was working with one or two possible people but absolutely she did it. We know at least Dede Spicher. Yeah ... she is one of them."

http://www.kptv.com/story/29245636/family-friends-hold-vigil-for-kyron-horman-5-years-after-disappearanc


Desiree Young - June 5, 2015

“She’s (Terri) not been named a suspect just as a technicality – she’s definitely a person of interest.”

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/Mom-to-Kyron-Im-bringing-you-home-Be-strong-Im-coming--306296871.html


Desiree Young - July 20, 2015

"They are very busy right now.  Working to re-interview everyone involved in the case. ....   Oh yeah, lots of progress recently."

https://www.facebook.com/161645780592018/photos/p.853397301416859/853397301416859/?type=1&theater
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« Reply #134 on: October 01, 2015, 12:58:37 PM »

1.  OUT OF LOVE FOR KYRON?

Could it be circumstantial evidence accumulated by investigators will force Terri to confess that she was behind the secreting of Kyron but she will contend that her motivation was all about her stepson's well being?

Could it be Dede and her former child advocate boyfriend have received immunity and have agreed to testify under oath in an eventual trial that they were convinced by Terri that Kyron was at risk in the home ... at risk by his own father?

Could it be Dede's former child advocate boyfriend whose family is involved with children's ministries had connections to a child haven network?

Could it be Kyron was passed to a child haven network participant and was secreted to an unknown location ... an unknown location where investigators have yet to connect the dots?


2.  OUT OF "A SEVERE HATRED" FOR KYRON?

Could it be Dede and her child advocate boyfriend were deceived by Terri?

Considering Desiree never perceived Kaine to be a risk to Quinn during their marriage and ... considering James ... Terri's own son ... has an ongoing relationship with his stepfather ... could it be that Terri's motivation for secreting Kyron stemmed from "a severe hatred" of her stepson who she perceived as a threat to a failing marriage?

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The Final Answer

Desiree Young - June 21, 2014

“We have lots of evidence. We just don’t have that final thing, the final answer. It’s frustrating.  It’s not a stranger that walked into Kyron’s school that took him. It was someone in our trusted circle. We know who has the answer, she just refuses to talk.”
http://koin.com/2014/06/21/volunteers-family-continue-search-for-kyron-horman/


In Great Detail

Desiree Young - November 15, 2010

On Friday LE showed Desiree emails Terri had sent to friends describing her marriage to Kaine and her feelings about Kyron.

"It's very clear from Terri's horrible words that she had a severe hatred for Kyron, and that a lot... she blamed a lot of the marital problems between Kaine and herself on Kyron, that it was a huge point of contention in their marriage, and she had expressed in great detail her hatred for Kyron. ..."
http://www.today.com/id/26184891/vp/40192247#40192247


A Briefing

Desiree Young - February 22, 2011

"Right before the holidays Tony and I received a briefing from LE where they gave us all the evidence on the case.  We're confident from that briefing that we have the right person.  Terri put everything in writing.  She had a severe severe hatred for Kyron and she made no mystery to how she felt.  She very clearly wanted him out of her life."

Video:
http://www.kpic.com/news/116678914.html?t=a&video=pop


I Cried for Two Solid Months

Desiree says Terri broke up her marriage to Kaine Horman
July 27, 2010


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Desiree said she was eight months pregnant with Kyron when she learned that Kaine was having an affair with Terri and it tore her apart.

"I cried solid for two months and didn't leave the bedroom because I didn't understand why she somehow equated to something that was better than me and my son,” Desiree said.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyrons-mom--99345859.html
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Kaine Horman - June 2, 2015

Kaine Horman thinks about his missing son every day. "We need to find him.  We need to bring him home."

http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2015/06/02/kyron-horman-father-kaine-horman/28385267/





Desiree Young - June 20, 2015

"It's every single day, every single second I think about him. I talk to him on the drive to work, whatever I'm doing."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-mom-organizes-new-search-for-missing-boy-264011041.html


These are the 2 people I will always support no matter what.I have noticed a few sites bashing Kaine and Desiree but I will always believe that these parents just want answers and justice for their little Kyron.


BOTTOM LINE!!!
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« Reply #136 on: October 04, 2015, 03:11:14 PM »

STEROIDS?

There are Terri Horman supporters who claim that Kaine was using and/or selling steroids. Maybe.  However ... I have yet to read/hear one word from Desiree ... media ... LE that even vaguely supports that claim.  I concede that Rudy's Sanchez' MFH testimony that Terri told him that Kaine carried $10,000 on his person does imply some hinky.

Food for thought?  Why would DeDe assert her Fifth Amendment right when deposed as to whether Terri used steroids?  Rather than invoking her right not to incriminate HERSELF ... why did Dede not respond under oath in the affirmative ... the negative or   "I don't know" in regards to Terri?

Also ... think about it.  Terri lost 62 pounds in four months.  Four months!  Both my DILs who work out are very sceptical that the fast weight loss and the muscle mass happened without steroids.  Over-the-counter stimulants in high doses?  Fat burners in high doses?  Maybe.  However ... the consumption could not be considered the definition of wisdom.

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Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
November 09, 2010


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In his motion filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court Monday, Rosenthal asks the court to compel Spicher to answer his questions. Rosenthal noted in the motion that the Fifth Amendment provides that "no person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..."

"Plaintiff believes that Ms. Spicher has inappropriately sought the protection of the privilege against self-incrimination," Rosenthal wrote. "The privilege is personal; it cannot be used to protect another person...Otherwise, the privilege could be used as a shield to protect a witness' friends, and to deny a civil litigant probative evidence."

"A witness may not invoke the Fifth Amedment in order to hide knowledge of a friend's criminal conduct,'' Rosenthal wrote.

<snipped>

Some of Rosenthal's questions were more probing and personal. He asked Spicher whether Terri Horman used steroids, whether  Terri Horman ever had sex with Kaine Horman's friend Michael Cook, who spent time at the Horman house after Kyron disappeared, and whether Spicher is bisexual.

Each time, Spicher asserted her Fifth Amendment right, declining to answer.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
August 15, 2012


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In 2005, she started going to the gym again, transforming her body into a mass of muscle to compete in a bodybuilding championship.

Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

"She's not eating a lot of food, she's exercising twice a day, she's up at 4 o'clock in the morning, she's not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her," he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses.  In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash.

Clad in shimmering green and purple bikinis with her hair done up in a tumble of curls, she took fourth place in the master's category for women over 35.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html





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« Reply #137 on: October 04, 2015, 06:37:42 PM »

Considering Dede asserted her Fifth Amendment Right not to incriminate herself in the deposition ... it makes sense to conclude she is withholding info regarding her connection to Terri on June 4, 2010 ... the day Kyron Horman went missing.


REMINDER

Dede Spicher - The Deposition - October 5, 2010

Excerpts:

Did you see Terri Horman at any time on June 4, 2010?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Did you talk to Terri Horman at any time on June 4, 2010?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Have you ever been to Skyline Elementary School?
Dede: Going to assert my Fifth Amendment right.

Have you ever purchased a disposable phone?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Do you know where Kyron Horman is?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Do you know whether Kyron Horman is alive?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

H/T - Criminal Mindz

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http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf




DeDe, Terri unaccounted for at same time on June 4
October 30, 2013

http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11754428/
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« Reply #138 on: October 05, 2015, 11:04:12 AM »

I'm continuing to check in and hope there is some new news and developments in Kyron's case.

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« Reply #139 on: October 05, 2015, 11:24:15 AM »






Isaiah 41:10
"So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
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Our dear NUT44x4 will be having surgery this Tuesday, October 6th to possibly replace her heart valve.  I know the surgery will go well and NUT will be asking to go home because frankly, hospitals suck, lol.

Please keep NUT in your prayers and wish her a speedy recovery.
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