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« Reply #740 on: June 25, 2017, 11:33:07 AM »

DEDE SPICHER - THE IMMUNITY DEAL - ACCORDING TO BLINK

Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation EXCLUSIVE: Terri Horman Friend DeDe Spicher Breaks Her Silence After Passing Polygraph- Requests DA Clear Her Publicly
Posted by Christina Stoy | Wednesday 4 September 2013 12:28 pm


EXCERPT

DeDe absolutely believed that her impending grand jury appearance was designed to  result in her facing some sort of charge for something that investigators believed would lead  her to ultimately implicate Terri Horman in Kyron’s disappearance.  In fact,  she was told that what was an honest tax mistake/error on her part after she ended up being paid a nominal amount by Mrs. Hockensmith but never received a 1099, could end up placing her in hot water.  The Capone tactic for a woman that took the job with the understanding that it was not a paid endeavor and when Ms. Hockensmith told Spicher she wanted to compensate her she declined.  Hockensmith insisted.

On this basis, DeDe was advised to and agreed to an immunity deal.   The terms of which are under seal and Spicher nixed discussing citing a verbal agreement she made until such time as it is unsealed.

A source inside the investigation who does not wish to be identified as they are not authorized to speak publicly on the case- has confirmed that Spicher’s agreement includes provisions that she continue to cooperate with law enforcement as needed, be available to testify in any proceedings, and to take a polygraph.

Spicher declined to say to whom she committed to not discuss the agreement but that it also included neither party discussing that she had testified before the grand jury.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/04/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-terri-horman-friend-dede-spicher-breaks-her-silence-after-passing-polygraph-requests-da-clear-her-publicly/


Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police
Posted by Christina Stoy | Wednesday 11 September 2013 4:25 pm

EXCERPT

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/

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« Reply #741 on: June 25, 2017, 11:45:29 AM »

IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION

Immunity from prosecution is a legal doctrine that permits a person to avoid being prosecuted for a criminal offense. This is usually granted in exchange for something that the prosecution needs, such as information about someone else who has committed a more serious crime.

https://legaldictionary.net/immunity/

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DEDE SPICHER - WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION?

Could it be that in 2013 ... the prosecutor finally caved to the terms of Dede Spicher's attorney?

Could it be that immunity from prosecution for his client was afforded in exchange for her full co-operation regarding her involvement as well as knowledge of the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Could it be that after three years Dede finally submitted to a polygraph ... testified accordingly and passed?

Could it be that it was then that she testified before the 2013 Grand Jury without citing the Fifth Amendment?

Could it be that Dede will be the prosecutor's star witness when Terri is eventually indicted for her involvement in the secreting of Kyron on the morning of June 4, 2010?


1.  The 2010 Grand Jury

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
July 26, 2010


Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.

Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media. However, Spicer's attorney did confirm that his client was subpoenaed to testify but did not give any testimony under oath Monday. He said she could be called back to testify in the future. ....

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down.
http://www.kgw.com/home/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html


Friend of missing boy's stepmom appears before grand jury
July 26, 2010


Stavley disputed those comments Monday, saying Spicher has been "extremely cooperative" with police as they executed search warrants on her home and car. He said she also met with the lead investigator in the case last week for more than three hours.

He added that Spicher is not speaking to Terri Horman. ....
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/26/oregon.missing.boy/


2.  The 2012 Deposition

Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
November 09, 2012


Rosenthal noted in the motion that the Fifth Amendment provides that "no person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..."

"The privilege is personal; it cannot be used to protect another person...Otherwise, the privilege could be used as a shield to protect a witness' friends, and to deny a civil litigant probative evidence."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html


The Deposition

Excerpts:


Did you see Terri Horman at any time on June 4, 2010?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Did you talk to Terri Horman at any time on June 4, 2010?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Have you ever been to Skyline Elementary School?
Dede: Going to assert my Fifth Amendment right.

Have you ever purchased a disposable phone?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Do you know where Kyron Horman is?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

Do you know whether Kyron Horman is alive?
Dede: I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right.

H/T - Criminal Mindz
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf


3.  The 2013 Grand Jury

Kyron Horman's mom drops civil suit, criminal investigation continues
July 30, 2013


A key witness was now cooperating with investigators, according to Young's attorney Elden Rosenthal.

DeDe Spicher testified before the grand jury for the criminal case within the past two weeks, according to Rosenthal.  Spicher was friends with Terri and her whereabouts were in question the day Kyron vanished.  She had previously declined to speak with investigators or testify. ....
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horman-civil-suit--217621031.html


Lawsuit dropped, criminal investigation continues in Kyron Horman case
Jul 30, 2013


As part of Young's lawsuit, one of Terri Horman's friends, DeDe Spicher, was called in for a deposition in 2012, and she refused to answer 142 questions regarding the case. She cited her Fifth Amendment right. ....

Young said she was hopeful Spicher provided good information to the grand jury, but did not speculate on what information that could be. Spicher appeared before the grand jury at least one other time, in July 2010.

"We don't know. But I think everything's a possibility," she said. "The fact that she hadn't talked up to now. We just don't know."
....
http://www.kptv.com/story/22967375/mom-of-kyron-horman-gives-up-on-civil-case


Mother of Kyron Horman dropping civil suit
Jul 30, 2013


Meanwhile, there was a huge breakthrough in the criminal investigation. Horman's good friend, Dede Spicher -- who previously refused to answer questions in court -- testified before an investigative Grand Jury in the past week or two. ....
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Mother-of-Kyron-Horman-dropping-civil-suit-217632621.html


Desiree Young drops suit against Terri Horman
July 30, 2013


Rosenthal did reveal that Terri Horman's friend, DeDe Spicher, testified this month before a grand jury.  In October of 2012, Spicher invoked her Fifth Amendment rights during a sworn deposition, refusing to answer any questions regarding Horman. However, according to Rosenthal, she changed her mind.

“We recently learned that Dede Spicher did appear in front of the Grand Jury a week or two ago; we don't know what she said," Rosenthal stated. ....
http://koin.com/2013/07/30/desiree-young-drops-suit-against-terri-horman/


Kaine - July 30, 2013

“We still have extreme confidence that they’re going to drive resolution to the case. Law enforcement is again asking us to help protect the information as much as we can, so it doesn’t interfere with the integrity of what they’re doing. And we’re doing our best in the civil arena to do that."
http://koin.com/2013/07/30/31700-autosave/


Desiree - July 30, 2013

“I don’t want anything to compromise the ongoing investigation for Kyron. For these reasons, I have instructed my attorneys to dismiss the civil case.”
http://koin.com/2013/07/30/31700-autosave/


MCSO Statement - July 30, 2013

"The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office remains in close contact with the parents of Kyron regarding the course of the investigation."

"In addition, Sheriff Staton has met regularly with Kaine Horman concerning the investigation and to ensure they are fully aware of the current course of action being taken by investigators."
http://www.koin.com/news/31700-autosa


FOOD FOR THOUGHT

2015


Desiree Young - June 4, 2015


Video 2:30:  "Absolutely without a doubt, with all my heart I know that she (Terri) did it. I think she was working with one or two possible people but absolutely she did it. We know at least Dede Spicher. Yeah ... she is one of them."

http://www.kptv.com/story/29245636/family-friends-hold-vigil-for-kyron-horman-5-years-after-disappearance


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« Reply #742 on: June 25, 2017, 03:45:09 PM »

 
ATTENTION: PATRICK MCGRATH, YUBA DA

Patrick McGrath, District Attorney
215 5th. St.
Marysville, CA 95901

pmcgrath@co.yuba.ca.us
Fax: (530) 749-7363


REGARDING

Terri (Moulton) Horman - Theft of a Firearm


6/20/2017 Motion in Limine Filed

06/26/2017 Motions in Limine Hearing
Judicial Officer Wirtschafter, Benjamin Z
Hearing Time 3:00 PM


INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW

In addition to the California charge pertaining to Grand Theft of a Firearm ... why has Terri Horman not been charge with illegally possessing a firearm ... a charge that could not be disputed?

Think about it.  In defiance of three (2010, 2013, 2014) Oregon restraining/no contact court orders which forbid the possession of a firearm ... official California documentation confirms that Terri was in possession of a firearm when in November 2015 authorities responded to a stolen firearm complaint.


CALIFORNIA ALLEGATION

2015


Terri Horman faces stolen gun charge in California
December 5th 2016


EXCERPT

Moulton is accused of taking a handgun from her roommate in Marysville, Calif. back in November 2015.

Our sister-station in Sacramento confirmed that Moulton was charged with grand theft of a firearm.  Officers said she had the stolen gun on her when she was interviewed.

Police issued a warrant for her arrest when she missed her arraignment on the charge.

She was booked into the Yuba County Jail under the name Terry Moulton on July 4. 2016. She has a hearing in the case scheduled for December 16.

http://kpic.com/news/local/terri-horman-faces-stolen-gun-charge-in-california


Kyron Horman's stepmother says she's 'not guilty' of gun charge
December 7, 2017


EXCERPT

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The stepmother of Kyron Horman says she is not guilty of stealing a handgun from her roommate in California.

Terri Lynn Moulton, also known as Terri Horman, is facing charges for allegedly stealing the handgun in 2015. Her roommate said Moulton stole it from a safe in his Marysville, California home.  When contacted by police, officers say Moulton had the stolen gun in her possession.

The charges are unrelated to Kyron Horman's disappearance.

http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/kyron-hormans-stepmother-says-shes-not-guilty-of-gun-charge/365347398


OREGON RESTRAINING-NO CONTACT COURT ORDERS

2010


Judge Forbids Stepmom Terri Horman Access To Children Or Firearms
Friday July 2, 2010


EXCERPT

A judge has forbidden Terri Horman, the stepmother of a missing 7-year-old Portland boy to have access to her children or to any firearms. Court officials say the restraining order against Terri Moulton Horman was granted Monday afternoon by Multnomah County Circuit Judge Keith Meisenheimer. The judge released part of the court file Tuesday.

http://www.oregonherald.com/oregon/localnews.cfm?id=160&hb

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/judge_seals_restraining_order.html


2013

Judge signs order preventing Terri Horman near estranged husband
Aug 2, 2013


EXCERPT

Terri Horman is not allowed within 150 feet of the home where her estranged husband, Kaine, lives with their daughter Kiara.

That's according to a civil no-contact order signed Thursday by Judge Henry Kantor.

It replaces a restraining order that had been in place since Kaine was told three years ago that law enforcement officials had evidence Terri had hired a hit man to kill him.

Kaine had just had the restraining order renewed a few weeks ago.

The order also prevents her from approaching Kiara’s daycare, Kaine's office at Intel in Hillsboro and the gym he works out at in Beaverton.

She is also prohibited from approaching Skyline Elementary where their son Kyron was last seen in June 2010.

The order is part of the ongoing divorce proceedings between the two.

Terri is also forbidden from owning any firearms or ammunition.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-signs-order-preventing-Terri-Horman-near-estranged-husband-218050711.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/judge_signs_civil_no-contact_o.html


2014

Custody Agreement
June 3, 2014


Page 6

F.  Respondent agrees not to purchase of possess any firearms or ammunition.

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Horman-custody.pdf


FOOD FOR THOUGHT

“Law enforcement officials have informed me that more than one circuit court judge has determined probable cause exists to implicate Respondent in Kyron’s disappearance and in the murder for hire plot. Respondent and her lawyers are also aware of this.”  Kaine Horman - October 2010

http://www.kptv.com/story/14805736/battle-in-horman-custody-case-continues-10-25-2010

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Kaine%20October%2025%20Filing.pdf


" ... Someone else is going to get hurt before we put her in prison." Desiree Young -  December 6, 2016

https://www.facebook.com/161645780592018/photos/pb.161645780592018.-2207520000.1481041254./1177433929013193/?type=3&theater


"I am concerned that what will end up happening is someone is going to be harmed, in addition to Kyron, and that is when we’ll be able to hold her accountable.  I really hope that is not going to be the case but I really have this feeling. ..."  Desiree Young - December 5, 2016

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-faces-gun-charges-in-california/363391732


“I’m fearing for my life.  I don’t even know what she is capable of doing."  “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family.” Joseph Cristoba - December 9, 2016
 
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/

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« Reply #743 on: June 26, 2017, 10:52:19 AM »

KYRON HORMAN

THE LAST SIGHTING - ACCORDING TO BLINK


MS. MATTHEWS

Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
Posted by Christina Stoy |Tuesday 6 August 2013 8:29 pm


EXCERPT

The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.

“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck.  I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then He looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her hea Yes in response.  They walked out of the south entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again. ...."

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-1/#comment


Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
Posted by Christina Stoy | Wednesday 21 September 2016 3:18 pm

30 .... June 26, 2017 at 12:35 am


EXCERPT

Moving on- how does one account for the “permissive” exchange through Matthews?

Since we know through multiple witness accounts Kyron leaves that classroom at the request of SZ to help him get something from his truck, and I have already published a time stamped image from that classroom just prior to his arrival, and I am unaware of any reported sightings of Kyron following this, however, I am aware of a witness who stated the last time he saw him he was headed to that “cool electric display”.

Had anyone bothered to verify- this timeline is verifiable. There is a very long list of witnesses and testimony who place Kyron Horman at the school following Terri’s departure and there is simply no dispute to that fact. Both Kyron’s parents are aware of this. .... B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-62/#comments

http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/


MS. PORTER

Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
Posted by Christina Stoy | Wednesday 21 September 2016 3:18 pm

21.  June 25, 2017 at 5:52 pm


EXCERPT
Porter maintains she saw Kyron in the classroom after Terri left ..... B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-62/#comments


LONG LIST OF WITNESS

Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
Posted by Christina Stoy | Wednesday 21 September 2016 3:18 pm

30. June 26, 2017 at 12:35 am


EXCERPT
Had anyone bothered to verify- this timeline is verifiable. There is a very long list of witnesses and testimony who place Kyron Horman at the school following Terri’s departure and there is simply no dispute to that fact. Both Kyron’s parents are aware of this.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-62/#comments

http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/


THE DISCONNECT


THE LAST SIGHTING - ACCORDING TO OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSONS

Portland Public Schools Spokesman - Matt Shelby - June 7, 2010


Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together.  He said it was common for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised.
http://origin.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=203651&catid=28


Sheriff Office Release - June 18, 2010

Witnesses said Kyron arrived at the school with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, on Friday morning, perhaps about 8 a.m.  The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release. .... However, the sheriff's office news release says school staff did not see Kyron after 8:45 a.m. and that he did not make it to his classroom.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html


Multnomah County Sheriff Captain - Jason Gates - June 21, 2010

There was one new piece of information: “Terri is the last-known person to have seen him before he disappeared” Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates said, contrary to previous reports of someone else who might have seen the boy afterward.
http://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=31624


THE LAST SIGHTING - ACCORDING TO KYRON'S MOM

Desiree Young - November 25, 2015


"He was in his classroom.  He got the photo taken by Terri and he according to eyewitness accounts ... multiple adults ... that can vouch for the fact that Terri walked out the side entrance of the school with Kyron in tow and we know this because Kyron's friend even saw him with her right outside the school." (Video Excerpt 1:24)

http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/11/25/the-search-for-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman/


Desiree Young - June 4, 2015

"It wasn't a stranger that came into Kyron's school and took him. It was someone we knew in our trusted circle. ...."

http://kobi5.com/news/local-news/item/5-years-since-kyron-horman-disappearance-search-still-going-strong.html#.VaRVeflViko


Desiree Young - June 4, 2017

" .... It was not a stranger abduction.  This was someone who was known to Kyron who was with him that day at the school.  He did not just disappear into thin air.  We know a lot around a certain period of time. .... Terri needs to clear herself if she is innocent. Where was she that day? We want answers.  We want Kyron home.  We are not going to stop until we get that." (Video Excerpt (2:24)

https://www.facebook.com/missingkyronhorman/

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« Reply #744 on: June 26, 2017, 11:55:49 AM »

JOSEPH CRISTOBAL

ACCORDING TO BLINK

Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
Posted by Christina Stoy | Wednesday 21 September 2016 3:18 pm

1. ... June 24, 2017 at 5:05 pm


EXCERPT

To my knowledge, Cristobal has already been excluded as a witness after the Judge heard evidence that he is not credible. .... B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-62/#comments

http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/


THE DISCONNECT


ACCORDING TO JOSEPH CRISTOBAL

Terri Horman a no-show in domestic violence case
February 25, 2017


The former boyfriend of Terri Horman told KOIN 6 News he was granted a 2-year restraining order against her on Friday.

Horman, who is now known as Terri Moulton, did not appear in the California court. But her attorney, Sara Anderson, was there.

Joseph Cristobal originally filed the domestic violence charge on November 28, 2016. ....

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/


“I’m fearing for my life.  I don’t even know what she is capable of doing."  “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family.” Joseph Cristoba - December 9, 2016
 
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/

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« Reply #745 on: June 26, 2017, 01:55:58 PM »

MS. PORTER

APPLYING STANDARD OF CARE

ACCORDING TO BLINK

Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
Posted by Christina Stoy | Wednesday 21 September 2016 3:18 pm

30. ... June 26, 2017 at 12:35 am


EXCERPT

If one is convinced TH was involved- how does one (investigatively) account for the 3 separate and distinct opportunities for Porter to intervene (applying standard of care) that had to occur for Kyron’s disappearance to go undetected and not subject to an amber alert? .... B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-62/#comments

http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/


THE DISCONNECT

THE EMAIL

ACCORDING TO DESIREE YOUNG

Desiree Young - May 29, 2015


" .... Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That's why the school didn't question it further.  It's Terri's fault that Ky is missing today not Skyline's. ..."

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REMINDER

MOTION TO DISMISS HEARING - TRIAL JURY - JUNE 27, 2017

Terri (Moulton) Horman - Theft of a Firearm


02/08/2017 Subpoena Issued
02/27/2017 Subpoena Documents Received

04/27/2017 Witness List Filed

05/01/2017 Motion To Dismiss

05/11/2017 Motion Hearing
Judicial Officer Scrogin, Julia L
Hearing Time 10:00 AM


05/30/2017 Media Request Filed

06/16/2017 Motion To Dismiss

6/20/2017 Motion in Limine Filed

06/23/2017 Trial Readiness Conference
Judicial Officer Wirtschafter, Benjamin Z
Hearing Time 1:30 PM

06/26/2017 Motions in Limine Hearing
Judicial Officer Wirtschafter, Benjamin Z
Hearing Time 3:00 PM

06/27/2017 Jury Trial
Judicial Officer Jury, Trial
Hearing Time 8:30 AM

06/27/2017 Motion Hearing
Judicial Officer Jury, Trial
Hearing Time 8:30 AM


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UPDATE!!!

Terri Horman stands trial in California for gun charge
Kyle Iboshi, KGW 6:17 PM. PDT June 27, 2017

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/terri-horman-stands-trial-in-california-for-gun-charge/452597022


Kyle Iboshi (KGW-TV)
14 mins
(June 27, 2017)

The stepmother of Kyron Horman, a missing Portland boy, stands trial in California for an unrelated crime. Terri Horman, also known as Terri Moulton, is facing a grand theft firearm charge- a misdemeanor.

Horman sat in the courtroom for day one of her trial in Yuba County, north of Sacramento. It’s not clear if she will testify on her own behalf.

A judge denied KGW’s request for a camera in the courtroom. The trial is expected to last two or three days.

Prosecutors called a deputy police officer and Horman’s former roommate to the witness stand.

In August 2015, Donald Goines reported Horman had stolen a handgun from a safe in his Marysville, California home. When contacted by police, officers say Horman had the stolen gun in her possession.


Horman has long been the focus of investigators looking into the disappearance of her stepson. Kyron Horman was last seen on June 4, 2010 at Skyline School in Northwest Portland. He has never been found.

Terri Horman has never been charged in the case and has denied any involvement in the boy’s disappearance.

https://www.facebook.com/KyleIboshiKGWTV/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf


Kyle ... Thank You!!!


THE PROSECUTOR'S CASE?

The trial is expected to last two to three days!!!  Who will be called to witness on behalf of the prosecution?

Considering the stolen gun charge can turn into allegations encompassing "He says ... She says" ... I do believe that the illegal possession of a firearm is what will bring Terri down. Think about it.  Three Oregon restraining/no contact orders forbid Terri from being in the possession of a firearm.  Then again I could be wrong.  Story of my life.
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NOT GUILTY!!!

Terri Horman not guilty of gun charge in California
Kyle Iboshi, KGW 4:58 PM. PDT June 28, 2017


PORTLAND, Ore. — The stepmother of Kyron Horman, a missing Portland boy, was found not guilty of a gun theft charge in Yuba County, California.

Horman was accused of stealing a handgun from her former roommate. The trial was unrelated to Kyron's disappearance.  

Terri Horman, also known by her maiden name Terri Moulton, was facing a grand theft firearm charge, which is a misdemeanor.

The defense did not call a single witness, including Horman, during the two-day trial.

Prosecutors called a deputy police officer and Horman’s former roommate to the witness stand.

"I spoke with a few jurors afterward and they were unsure if she intended to permanently keep the gun," explained prosecutor Ashley Tuft in an email to KGW.


In August 2015, Horman's former roommate, Donald Goines, reported Horman had stolen a handgun from a safe in his Marysville, California home. When contacted by police, officers said Horman had the stolen gun in her possession. .....

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/terri-horman-stands-trial-in-california-for-gun-charge/452597022

 

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REGARDING

Terri (Moulton) Horman - Theft of a Firearm


6/20/2017 Motion in Limine Filed

06/26/2017 Motions in Limine Hearing
Judicial Officer Wirtschafter, Benjamin Z
Hearing Time 3:00 PM


INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW

In addition to the California charge pertaining to Grand Theft of a Firearm ... why has Terri Horman not been charge with illegally possessing a firearm ... a charge that could not be disputed?

Think about it.  In defiance of three (2010, 2013, 2014) Oregon restraining/no contact court orders which forbid the possession of a firearm ... official California documentation confirms that Terri was in possession of a firearm when in November 2015 authorities responded to a stolen firearm complaint.


Tamiko's Mom,
 to which CA statute  do you allege Terri is in violation of, should be charged and "could not be disputed"?

For your convenience, here is a link to a 2016 Summary of California Firearms Laws https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/pdf/cfl2016.pdf

As you know,  Terri Moulton was acquitted yesterday of the misdemeanor gun theft charge.  There was no civil no contact order or FAPA in effect in California in 2015 whatsoever precluding Terri from lawful possession- and thus why she was never charged with any similar offense.   I presume you were referring to the FAPA order which was converted to a MUTUAL civil no contact order by Judge Kantor as a stipulated agreement re custody of Kaine and Terri's daughter.   That order does not extend "out of state" unless it is entered as a foreign decree by a named party (Kaine through counsel licensed to practice in CA) and an allegation of contempt to its order is docketed.  In short- there is and was no basis for a criminal charge to arise out of a civil order from another state for a variety of reasons, but the least of which is there was no jurisdiction to do so.

Previous FAPA orders, especially those that were contested and never resulted with a criminal charge resulting from them have no bearing on lawful gun ownership in any state.  In fact, prior to the current DV order in effect (re Cristobal) technically speaking Terri could have owned a gun, possessed a gun in OR as well, outside of the allegation of contempt of a civil order for cause relating to custodial issues- Kaine would have a very difficult time getting a contempt finding if their daughter was not in her Mother's care.   

As the subject of the current DV order against her (and as you can see from the documentation I provided re CA gun ownership) she cannot possess a firearm and to my knowledge does not.

Just as a point of fact here-  pre trial motions and arguments not available to the public indicate that Terri will be seeking an amendment of the DV order and a civil remedy re the allegation of Cristobal that Terri stole her own vehicle (dismissed/expunged).    By my count that makes the only 2 criminal allegations ever levied against Horman dismissed and expunged AND an acquittal, respectively.

Not to parse words, but a Judge has never "forbid" Terri Horman from exercising a lawful right of hers- that was a headline or media term.

 
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EXCERPT
 
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW

In addition to the California charge pertaining to Grand Theft of a Firearm ... why has Terri Horman not been charge with illegally possessing a firearm ... a charge that could not be disputed?

Think about it.  In defiance of three (2010, 2013, 2014) Oregon restraining/no contact court orders which forbid the possession of a firearm ... official California documentation confirms that Terri was in possession of a firearm when in November 2015 authorities responded to a stolen firearm complaint.


Allegedly California cannot prosecute in regards to Oregon court orders forbidding Terri to be in the possession of firearms and/or ammunition.  Allegedly ... on the other hand ... Oregon cannot prosecute because offence occurred in California.  What is wrong with this picture?  While some are cheering ... akin to Desiree ... I am troubled when possible implications are considered.

IN HER POSSESSION

Terri Horman not guilty of gun charge in California
Kyle Iboshi, KGW 4:58 PM. PDT June 28, 2017


EXCERPT

In August 2015, Horman's former roommate, Donald Goines, reported Horman had stolen a handgun from a safe in his Marysville, California home. When contacted by police, officers said Horman had the stolen gun in her possession. .....

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/terri-horman-stands-trial-in-california-for-gun-charge/452597022


OREGON RESTRAINING/NO CONTACT/CIVIL COURT ORDERS

2010


Judge Forbids Stepmom Terri Horman Access To Children Or Firearms
Friday July 2, 2010


EXCERPT

A judge has forbidden Terri Horman, the stepmother of a missing 7-year-old Portland boy to have access to her children or to any firearms.Court officials say the restraining order against Terri Moulton Horman was granted Monday afternoon by Multnomah County Circuit Judge Keith Meisenheimer. The judge released part of the court file Tuesday.
http://www.oregonherald.com/oregon/localnews.cfm?id=160&hb

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/judge_seals_restraining_order.html


2013

Judge signs order preventing Terri Horman near estranged husband
Aug 2, 2013


EXCERPT

Terri is also forbidden from owning any firearms or ammunition.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-signs-order-preventing-Terri-Horman-near-estranged-husband-218050711.html


Judge signs civil no-contact order that requires Terri Horman to stay away from husband and daughter
August 3, 2013


EXCERPT

The order also was signed by Kaine Horman's lawyer Brett E. Engel and Terri Horman's lawyer, Peter Bunch.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/judge_signs_civil_no-contact_o.html


2014

Custody Agreement
June 3, 2014


EXCERPT

Page 6

F.  Respondent agrees not to purchase or possess any firearms or ammunition.

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/Horman-custody.pdf


IMPLICATIONS?

" ... Someone else is going to get hurt before we put her in prison." Desiree Young -  December 6, 2016

https://www.facebook.com/161645780592018/photos/pb.161645780592018.-2207520000.1481041254./1177433929013193/?type=3&theater


"I am concerned that what will end up happening is someone is going to be harmed, in addition to Kyron, and that is when we’ll be able to hold her accountable.  I really hope that is not going to be the case but I really have this feeling. ..."  Desiree Young - December 5, 2016

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-faces-gun-charges-in-california/363391732

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« Reply #751 on: June 29, 2017, 01:33:24 PM »

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?

Think about it.  Coincidences?  I don't think so.  The vetting of Terri Horman by any man contemplating a relationship is where it is at.

* Two MFH accusations in Oregon ... one against a boyfriend ... one against a husband (restraining order).

* Focus of an investigation in Oregon into the the disappearance of her seven year old stepson.

* Two accusations in California by a live-in resulting in a restraining order ... one for stealing a vehicle ... one for domestic violence.

* One accusation in California by a live-in for stealing a firearm


FOOD FOR THOUGHT

"I have no idea what she's capable of, because she's obviously done some horrible things or tried to do some horrible things that took us all by surprise."  Kaine Horman - June 10, 2010
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-976-kyrons_parents_describe_web_of_deception_from_step.html


"I believe that Respondent is severely emotionally disturbed and unfit to parent Kiara. Her actions are horrifying and unexplainable.  Kiara's physical and emotional safety are now at extreme risk.''  Kaine Horman - October 25, 2010
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html


38.  " .... There is something not quite right in her interpersonal relationship department psyche… it’s like riding a roller coaster… whatever it is, it’s not healthy. My family had major turmoil because of it. It’s certainly been a life lesson for my family, only now mending over time. ....  Sandi Lessman (thatkewlgirl) - December 9, 2016
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/comment-page-25/#commentst


“I’m fearing for my life.  I don’t even know what she is capable of doing."  “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family.” Joseph Cristoba - December 9, 2016
 http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/

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When the alleged threat to Joseph Cristoba is considered and ... when the two MFH allegations are considered ... could it be that those who participated in the happenings encompassing the secreting of Kyron ... those who have the ability to bring Terri down as prosecution witnesses who have been afforded immunity .. have reason to be on guard.

Could it be that Dede and her former child advocate boyfriend who do not have a clue regarding the final connecting investigative dot that would pinpoint the location of of a secreted Kyron ... should be watching their backs

THE THREAT

Joseph Cristoba - December 9, 2016


“I’m fearing for my life.  I don’t even know what she is capable of doing."  “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family.i
 
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/
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« Reply #753 on: June 29, 2017, 10:13:06 PM »

hmmm, not guilty i thought it would be a shoe in
under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
i also thought the fed,Brady act, superseded state gun laws
i think under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
its not just about owning/buying, its also about possession
too, legally or illegally 

8. Are subject to a court restraining order that involves your 'intimate partner,' your partner's child, or children;
http://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/gun-laws.html

more on the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
http://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-922.html
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« Reply #754 on: June 30, 2017, 07:31:45 AM »

hmmm, not guilty i thought it would be a shoe in
under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
i also thought the fed,Brady act, superseded state gun laws
i think under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
its not just about owning/buying, its also about possession
too, legally or illegally 

8. Are subject to a court restraining order that involves your 'intimate partner,' your partner's child, or children;
http://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/gun-laws.html

more on the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
http://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-922.html

CW- The BHVPA or the "Brady Bill" deals with mandatory waiting periods for licensed gun dealers to preform mandatory background checks in accordance with their states own firearm laws.   It was Moulton-Horman's position that she had permission to access the firearm which was rightfully owned and registered by Goines.

In 2015, without an order entry (foreign order of decree) of the mutual civil no contact order (allowing it to be subject to enforcement in CA in civil court) Terri would still not have been precluded from lawful gun possession or  ownership in the State of California, regardless.    It was never enforceable as a criminal matter anyway- absent a "criminal" restraining order (or similar verbiage).  So... those thinking that that the civil order from Oregon was the basis for her "not supposed to have a gun" and therefore illegally in possession would be incorrect, as evidenced by the fact she was never charged with illegal possession of a firearm in the first place.   

Here is a link to the ATF resources :

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/brady-law
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When the alleged threat to Joseph Cristoba is considered and ... when the two MFH allegations are considered ... could it be that those who participated in the happenings encompassing the secreting of Kyron ... those who have the ability to bring Terri down as prosecution witnesses who have been afforded immunity .. have reason to be on guard.

Could it be that Dede and her former child advocate boyfriend who do not have a clue regarding the final connecting investigative dot that would pinpoint the location of of a secreted Kyron ... should be watching their backs

THE THREAT

Joseph Cristoba - December 9, 2016


“I’m fearing for my life.  I don’t even know what she is capable of doing."  “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family.i
 
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/


Janet-  the man's name is Joseph Cristobal, not Cristoba.  I don't know why exactly but he is also referred to as "Jeff" Cristobal in court docs I have seen, if that matters.  It is also worthy of mention that Cristobal was the individual who filed the complaint of Terri stealing her own vehicle, titled in her name.   As you are probably are aware that charge was dismissed by the DA when he learned Cristobal forged an actual document he presented to police.   This was discussed in pre trial argument and the reason he was never called by the prosecution and as I understand it the subject of a pending civil action. 
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Janet-  the man's name is Joseph Cristobal, not Cristoba.  I don't know why exactly but he is also referred to as "Jeff" Cristobal in court docs I have seen, if that matters.  It is also worthy of mention that Cristobal was the individual who filed the complaint of Terri stealing her own vehicle, titled in her name.   As you are probably are aware that charge was dismissed by the DA when he learned Cristobal forged an actual document he presented to police.   This was discussed in pre trial argument and the reason he was never called by the prosecution and as I understand it the subject of a pending civil action.  


Blink:  "As you are probably are aware that charge was dismissed by the DA when he learned Cristobal forged an actual document he presented to police."

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I was not aware.  Blink ... I would appreciate a source link.  Janet

Logic dictates that registration papers would be required to accompany any stolen vehicle report ... registration papers that would assure authorities and the prosecutor that the complainant is the registered owner.  Somehow I cannot comprehend Terri being charged and also incarcerated for stealing a vehicle registered in her own name.

Considering the blurred lines of entitlement encompassing a domestic relationship ... I believe the explanation in the following article for the dropped charges makes sense.

Could blurred lines of entitlement encompassing a domestic relationship also apply to the "stolen" gun charge against Terri by another boyfriend (Donald Goines)?  Could it be that the judge did not grant the motion to dismiss by the defence in the pretrial because he did comprehended the perspective of the prosecution in regards to intent. Unfortunately ... the jury did not.


Stolen car charges dropped for Terri Horman in California
Jan 06, 2017


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Terri Horman is no longer facing car theft charges in California.

Horman was arrested in Marin County, California on Dec. 23. Police said a patrol officer spotted a car that had a "mechanical violation."

When he ran the registration of the car, the officer was notified that it had been reported stolen out of Sacramento.

The officer stopped the car and arrested the driver, who was identified as Horman. She was booked into the Marin County Jail on the charge of taking a vehicle without the owner's consent.

On Friday, prosecutors said they dropped the charge against Horman, believing they could not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

http://www.kptv.com/story/34203837/stolen-car-charges-dropped-for-terri-horman-in-california


THE RESTRAINING ORDER

Joseph Cristobal - December 9, 2016


“I’m fearing for my life.  I don’t even know what she is capable of doing."  “She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family.”
 
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/


Terri Horman a no-show in domestic violence case
February 25, 2017


The former boyfriend of Terri Horman told KOIN 6 News he was granted a 2-year restraining order against her on Friday.

Horman, who is now known as Terri Moulton, did not appear in the California court. But her attorney, Sara Anderson, was there.

Joseph Cristobal originally filed the domestic violence charge on November 28, 2016. ....

http://koin.com/2017/02/25/terri-horman-a-no-show-in-domestic-violence-case/

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« Reply #757 on: June 30, 2017, 06:18:11 PM »

Janet-  there is no link to my work or any media coverage re the titleing/registration of the vehicle in question-  I have copies of documents that I do not have permission to publish as the matter is pending civil litigation- but when I can, I most definitely will. 

 That said, it should be enough to prove my point that the DA (immediately upon case review) dismissed the charges and expunged the record entirely in the system.   You can't steal your own vehicle titled in your own name, period. 

 
 
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« Reply #758 on: July 01, 2017, 01:43:36 PM »

Blink, i was thinking both of the ROs, or. & ca.
was under brady act, im no legal eagle LOL

not sure this is a term (domestic violence  RO )
or if an RO is an RO be it dv or not
ya would think a domestic violence  RO in any state
would prevent possession of a firearm, prob would
cut down on deaths,injury caused by gun violence
concerning ROs

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« Reply #759 on: July 01, 2017, 03:52:56 PM »

Blink, i was thinking both of the ROs, or. & ca.
was under brady act, im no legal eagle LOL

not sure this is a term (domestic violence  RO )
or if an RO is an RO be it dv or not
ya would think a domestic violence  RO in any state
would prevent possession of a firearm, prob would
cut down on deaths,injury caused by gun violence
concerning ROs



Lol- no worries CW , it was an intelligent point and question you posited about the Brady act!

States differ pretty widely in what they classify as "general restraining orders" - they also vary greatly in what they consider civil orders v criminal orders.   As a general rule- civil orders are addressed in civil court and criminal orders are addressed in criminal court.   Unless one State's "order" is entered into another State's "system" for purposes of enforcement and the State it is being "entered" into accepts it as a foreign decree (this is important because not all states share the same laws that are followed to enforce them in the first place) no State has authority or jurisdiction to enforce its orders over state lines.    Criminal "orders" fall under active or probationary and in some cases can facilitate enforcement out of state,  but mostly only on a temporary basis and subject to a hearing and extradition for purposes of the state of jurisdiction to "deal with the matter".

Within those "civil orders" with all of their different names and language,  some actually do require that the respondent or defendant register them if they relocate.  And some do allow for the criminal courts to hear them if they are violated. 

In Terri's case- no FAPA orders (Oregon) from the past had or have any bearing on Terri's ability to possess or own a firearm.   Same with her stipulated agreement re custody or more formally called parenting time agreement- she def agreed not to have one-  but only in the context of the custody agreement.

The current DV order would preclude her from possessing a firearm,  but was not in place in 2015.

Very convoluted to say the least Smile
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