RBN # 13 - 6/20/05

[pinemeadows]

Hey, that's an interesting question (about how Joran would know that everyone blames him)....but if we think about it, he suspected he was being framed right after they were arrested.  Who told him then???  

Or wait a minute, was that a lie too?  (Or an act?)

[boxopen]

gaijin wrote:I'm sorry people...I'm away for an hour...and if Im reading this right, Joran tried to commit suicide? is this confirmed..I know it is a stressful situation....for all involved..but I dont think innocent people try that....thts "a permanant solution to a temporary problem"...if you 're innocent....and I dont think a week in jail drives an innocent to that poiint

Maybe you will if you`re 17 years old and everybody is putting the blame on you, you do[/b]

How would Joran know if everyone is putting the blame on him?  Does he get to watch the news?  I would imagine they are telling the 4 in custody less then what the rest of the world is hearing.

Mother visits, you get newspapers in prisons..sure he gets some hate mail.

Why the people is so confused?
Why not try SIMPLE... police interrogation pressure?

[CaliGirl]

That`s also the case in Holland Cali, at least as far I know. I was brought up also this way.

  Thought so HannieC! I am Dutch also!   From birth, I was taught I had to live up to my family name etc. Just wondered if it was that way still with the world changing etc. Nice to know that children are still being raised that way!

[Another K in Texas]

It mentioned murder, attempted murder and kidnapping as charches on all of them, including steve, right?

[bendex]

the message came from clevfan1234

[nikkibnurse]

OK..so they have gone from "suspects" to being the "accused"? Is that what I am gathering?

[pinemeadows]

It mentioned murder, attempted murder and kidnapping as charches on all of them, including steve, right?

Are these formal charges?  Are you getting this from the radio, or where?

[iquitos]

Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student natalee holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her.  The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips.  This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.    

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time saturday as a witness.  The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA.  His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and adjust their stories with eachother.  According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak.  Comenencia: “they will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that."   According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem.  Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary.  Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days.  Croes was picked up at his house in  Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is supected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to (doodslag) or intentional denial freedom (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is dj on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times.   Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now.  That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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[Another K in Texas]

No, just that translated version of an Aruban paper.  That is why I was asking?

[Sharonywr]

Riehl world--states that Joran's mom delivered two blue towels to him--could he possibly have used these to hang himself?  He was supposed to go to the U.S. this week to study...

[klaasend]

the message came from clevfan1234

Would you mind copy and pasting just that part of the article.  If I remember correctly the article is very long with both languages.  Thanks!
NEVERMIND

[iquitos]

Riehl world--states that Joran's mom delivered two blue towels to him--could he possibly have used these to hang himself?  He was supposed to go to the U.S. this week to study...

 please stop repeating the suicide thing no reason to beleive it is joran.

[bendex]

Are you saying Bendex that their status has changed - and as of when?

The message states that Croes is being detained for the same reasons as the other suspects, intentional murder, attemting murder and kidnapping.


I am curious where clevefan got that message from !

[inspector_detector]

Can Aruban bloggers comment?

Rumor from and Aruban message board that was taken down a few days after the Holloway story broke: 3 witnesses and party boat trip at 3:30am?

Was there and Aruban message board taken down?

Was Steve Croes heavily involved with drugs?

[KerinTX]

the message came from clevfan1234

Bendex, thanks for the posting. Is this the first time we are seeing the actual charges?

[da wench]

gaijin wrote:I'm sorry people...I'm away for an hour...and if Im reading this right, Joran tried to commit suicide? is this confirmed..I know it is a stressful situation....for all involved..but I dont think innocent people try that....thts "a permanant solution to a temporary problem"...if you 're innocent....and I dont think a week in jail drives an innocent to that poiint

Maybe you will if you`re 17 years old and everybody is putting the blame on you, you do[/b]

How would Joran know if everyone is putting the blame on him?  Does he get to watch the news?  I would imagine they are telling the 4 in custody less then what the rest of the world is hearing.

Mother visits, you get newspapers in prisons..sure he gets some hate mail.

Why the people is so confused?
Why not try SIMPLE... police interrogation pressure?

Yes, I understand his mother visits and tells him things (I would hope she would be trying to reassure him things will be ok), and I can see him being scared because of all the interrogations....but there are others being held for the same crime.  Is it possible he thinks everyone is out to get him because he is guilty????  Just wondering.

[nikkibnurse]

<hiding behind tree to shield self from bullets>
Anyone know where Geraldo is? I know he's a sleaze, but he is interesting...lol

[iquitos]

the message came from clevfan1234

Would you mind copy and pasting just that part of the article.  If I remember correctly the article is very long with both languages.  Thanks!
NEVERMIND

see my translation above.

[Rubby]

I wonder if Joran is still wishing he was a gansta?

I think he got a big taste of reality and his future now sucks.  I do not know what happen but he was responsible for her well being when she put her trust in him.

Sucs to be a wannabe when you had the world by the tail and didnt even know it.

[dragonfly]

the message came from clevfan1234

Bendex, thanks for the posting. Is this the first time we are seeing the actual charges?

No, they have been detained on "suspicion" of those charges all along.  "Accused" is comletely different and done only before trial.