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« Reply #380 on: June 20, 2005, 02:48:31 PM »

Sorry..but I have to add to this one.  I am in my thirties, but I haven't forgottem (completely) what it was like to be a teenager!  Most teenagers are naive and trusting....they don't see that the world can be a cruel place.  We tend to realize (slowly) that there are nasty/mean people in the world; however, it does take time.  THis is not Natalee's or her friends' or her chaperones' faults!!!  I seriously wish some people who keep questioning her judgments woulld think back to when you were her age.....[/quote]I really don't think we are judging her. We are stating our own life experiences. Although I understand where you are coming from.  Very Happy[/quote]

I'm definitely not judging her....only saying I can relate if that were the case...
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« Reply #381 on: June 20, 2005, 02:48:50 PM »

So I ask again is this a Victim/family rights forum, like websleuths?
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« Reply #382 on: June 20, 2005, 02:48:59 PM »

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There are naive girls in all parts of the States...and the world.  I am getting so effin sick of people in here trying to find fault in Natalee, her friends, family or chaperones.  If you think it's the victim's fault, please get the hell out of here and discuss with others who want that type of dialogue.  NOBODY here wants to read that CRAP!!!!!!!


There are NO victims yet, just a missing person. Most of us are merely speculating and theorizing anyway, not placing final blame. This is an internet discussion area, for crying out loud. Grow some thicker skin.

To answer your other points: No, I will not get out of here. MOST people here want to read ALL theories and consider ALL info that is posted, then decide for themselves whether it's good, bad, etc.

Remember, for quite some time the Runaway Bride was (mistakenly) thought of as a victim, as was Patty Hearst, Patti Bowman (blur-face of William Kennedy Smith trial), and Susan Smith. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with assumptions of who the victims are, and who the guilty parties are. There could indeed be PLENTY of fault to find in nh, her family, friends, and chaperones.

We'll keep discussing it. You'll keep getting "effin sick," and the dialogue will continue whether you're in it or not.

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« Reply #383 on: June 20, 2005, 02:48:59 PM »

Err I became a cynic, I trusted many people and yes many people do take advantage of you and use you.  I heard many people say certain things that when you think about it are contradictory.  

If you are going to point a finger to someone, keep in mind 4 fingers are pointing back.  I been reading these boards and I have to say the pressure to be one sided is heavy.  I can understand now the dilema of arubagirl and others similar.  I just was listening to Top95, and can say to question the Arubian resolve to find Natalee by foreign critics is dispicable.

On other side I cannot imaging why we have not heard from both side.  I do have to say the MBS05 gave the closest account saying that revealing names might cause certain people to harrasment, well I hate to be the bad guy but isn't that happening in Aruba right now?  They are litterally draggin every Arubian who came with talking distance to Natalee.
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« Reply #384 on: June 20, 2005, 02:49:17 PM »

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the scuffle between Joran and some of the boys from Mountain Brook took place at the Holiday Inn Casino when Joran was with Natalee then, a few days earlier, as reported by the Birmingham News


Not at HI. It was at C&C.
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« Reply #385 on: June 20, 2005, 02:49:47 PM »

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When would he have "spent the night " with Natalee?? not very likely that would have happened considering he hasn't been brought until now, her friends would have id'ed him earlier... also nat is not that type of girl!
how do u know she was'nt
Because all of her friends are saying she wasn't, unless I see evidence to the contrary I'll believe them over rumors on the radio, given the history of misinformation in this case.
then y did she go with 3 boys and her friends didnt think anything wrong till it was time to leave....doesnt add up
Yes it does.  Remember this was their last night on the trip before going back, so I think its safe to assume that a lot of them didn't go to sleep.  Also there were 130 students. so its quite possible that her roomates thought she was with someone else, and they did report it that morning not when they got ready to leave.
The question here is: Any of the roomates saw (or had know) Nat's going in that car?
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« Reply #386 on: June 20, 2005, 02:50:20 PM »

VERY VERY IMPORTANT We R 2 IGNORE the Caspers!!!
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« Reply #387 on: June 20, 2005, 02:50:21 PM »

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Why do the Aruban people think NH's dad or stepdad work for the government? That is completely not true and they should have been able to verify that fairly easily.


Maybe they are reading malicious gringo blog postings.  We have had that allegation posted here more than once but have always slapped it down because we know the tru facts.
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« Reply #388 on: June 20, 2005, 02:50:43 PM »

If they hold Steve Croes for another 8 days then they must have also reasonable suspicion or some evidence that he sure is involved, because he gets instantly the 8 days!


Maybe is the "A" initial someone mentioned earlier; Maxito Arendsz
who the will arrest.

Pff even for a "Dutch"girl like me it`s getting confusing now!
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« Reply #389 on: June 20, 2005, 02:50:48 PM »

Greta's doing Aruba, again, tonight

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_441_images/06.jpg

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« Reply #390 on: June 20, 2005, 02:50:53 PM »

Steves's tickle website has been completely cleaned out.  Not jsut the pictures.


I hope someone archived it.

Also,

guys I teach high school.  Times have changes.  Kids meet and mix and mingle quickly.

As I said, Joran and Nat would have much in common. Leaving together is not a sign of a bad girl.
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« Reply #391 on: June 20, 2005, 02:51:24 PM »

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VERY VERY IMPORTANT We R 2 IGNORE the Caspers!!!


I know, I'm bad....  Sad  I'm sorry.. Embarassed
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« Reply #392 on: June 20, 2005, 02:51:34 PM »

ok so no more posting unless its lovely and fairy like and pretty
paint pretty pictures.
ignore truths.
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« Reply #393 on: June 20, 2005, 02:52:17 PM »

quote]if she was a goodie 2 shoes her friends would have noticed she didnt get back to the hotel after leaving with 3 dudes......thats just my opinion...the fact they didnt notice or think anything wrong suggest she stayed out very late before while hanging out with locals[/quote]

It's been reported that there was a lot of room switching going on that night and some kids stayed out by the pool the entire night.  I don't think it is that unusual that her roomates didn't know exactly where Natalee was until it was time to go to the airport since her bags were already packed.  Whether they thought she was with Joran or other friends at the hotel isn't the point.  She may have left CnC's willingly only thinking she was getting a ride to the hotel.  I can't tell you how much it pisses me off to read comments that continually blame Natalee or her friends for this.  They are kids, for God's sake.  Lay off.
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« Reply #394 on: June 20, 2005, 02:52:19 PM »

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I know I'm not supposed to feed the trolls but I'm breakin' the rules:

DONTGETEXCITED
I am from the South my hubby is from Baltimore, YES A BIG CITY, and I have done just fine on my multiple visits to the "big city"  Rolling Eyes

This is no ones fault but whoever took or hurt Natalee!!! Leave her friends and everyone else ALONE!

I am a site admin on a website and if I had the power here I would shut you down!  Evil or Very Mad
Take your weird posts somewhere else, I'm sure there's some ppl at courttv's msg boards you could get along with  Mad

YOU are mean!

NOW BACK TO OUR REGULAR PROGRAMMING:  Smile


Ooops...you are right about the "ignoring."  Catriana has told us to do that Embarassed  I guess some of these negative, mean-spirited people were getting to me...

I will ignore the trolls...
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« Reply #395 on: June 20, 2005, 02:52:23 PM »

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ok so in a nutshell
natalee is miss perfect.
she can do no wrong?

I dont think she was goody two shoes. I think though trying to say people from the south dont have street smarts isnt going to gain you many friends. I spent 26 yrs of my life in Southern Ca, now I live in the south. People in the south are nicer but they arent stupid.
I think there is alot of people who want to insure that the conversations about natalee dont turn into anything that blames her directly. As a mother of a teenage daughter myself, I know they are not always angels. I know my daughter probably does things that I wouldnt think were ok. The fact is Natalee was a young 18 yr old on a graduation trip and cutting loose just like any other kid who was there. She may or may not have made some poor decision. We really dont know because she is MISSING. I hope maybe one day she can answer why she didnt jump out of a car, or why she went with them. Until she is found, and I hope alive all we have is speculation.
In the meantime since I dont KNOW her personally, and I havent read anything anywhere that shows she somehow deserved what happened. I will reserve judgement of her charactor. I just dont think its right sorry.
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« Reply #396 on: June 20, 2005, 02:52:36 PM »

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I too have wondered why the friends let her go with the 3 guys in the first place

but I also think that if these guys have been hanging around this group since the beginning of the trip and many of the kids had gotten to know them, maybe they too trusted these guys

and maybe Natalee said to one of her friends, don't wait up for me, I'm hoping to spend some time with Joran before I have to go home, don't wait for me, or the friends assumed that is what Natalee wanted,  for all we know she fell for him hook line and sinker

consider this, this was an annual trip apparently for this high school, maybe Joran met some of last year's class and some of the girls were raving about him,  maybe Joran was emailing some of them?  maybe Natalee heard about Joran

there was a rumour which apparently was dispelled by one of
Natalee's friend that she may have been emailing Joran before she arrived in Aruba

Joran was accepted into two Florida universities and I think he was planning to go to Florida for university, Alabama and Florida not too far huh

maybe these guys had given Natalee or other girls rides during the week and they were perfect gentlemen


See this is where there is a contridiction in stories. Good girl wouldn't have done that, doesn't fool around etc. Yet we know she "willing" left with him.

 i tried to make that exact point but i was called a troll......my main point is that in order to find natalee the search has to be for the "real" natalee not the goodie 2 shoes natalee.......and i really do hope they find her save


The reason you were called a troll is because a lot of people on this board seem to have the mentality to attack the character of the victim, and your posts look similar to theirs even though I think you had good intentions.  The problem I have with what you are saying is this: how do you know that the goodie two shoes natalee wasn't the real natalee?  It seems to me that you judge her based on your presumptions of how teenagers behave.  All of her friends have said that she was a good girl and all of her family has said it.  Certainly, they could all be trying to defend her character. But without some reason to think she wasnt good why doubt the family/friends?




if she was a goodie 2 shoes her friends would have noticed she didnt get back to the hotel after leaving with 3 dudes......thats just my opinion...the fact they didnt notice or think anything wrong suggest she stayed out very late before while hanging out with locals


Well too my knowledge it isn't known whether she said she was going to the hotel or not.  But like I said before their were a lot of people there and Natalee was popular, her friends probably would have assumed she was with someone else, I doubt all the students were sitting in one spot, in fact they were probably all over the island. Plus a lot of them were probably preoccupied having fun.  When they noticed she hadn't come back to her room that morning they alerted the chaparones. Nothing unusual about that, and it certainly doesn't support your inference.
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« Reply #397 on: June 20, 2005, 02:52:40 PM »

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« Reply #398 on: June 20, 2005, 02:52:48 PM »

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foxnews want to intervieuw the people  in aruba but all the time when the people in aruba wants to defend themself  from what the F.B.I. or other americans ON T.V. blames them  for wrong doing, foxnews has to go to commercial. americans what's up with you??? it seems that you want to hear what you like to hear. people in aruba are doing their best. you think if one arubian was lost in alabama, alabama would be searching for him or her like the arubians are doing right now??. if the F.B.I. is so damn good like they say start Seaching the thousands of people missing in the states. I really want them to find N.H. alive and well. no.1,  2 be with her family and no2. to shut the mouth of everyone that speaks bad about aruba especially that radio lady "dee fine ", with her porno name. and if it results that n.h is a runaway, i do not want to be her!!

This is getting SURREAL!

If I were an Aruban mom, and my 18 year-old daughter went missing in an Alabama suburb (picking a suburb for geography and population comparability), and my government officials and media has the bargaining power to help get to the bottom of things, you BET I'd expect them to use those resources and I would not leave that Alabama suburb until my daughter was found, one way or the other.

Unfortunately, this smacks me of anti-American resentment, which I have observed to be acceptable when it is NOT.

This is about a missing girl and her family going through the torture of not getting closer to a resolution, in case anyone has lost sight of that.
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« Reply #399 on: June 20, 2005, 02:52:55 PM »

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Steves's tickle website has been completely cleaned out.  Not jsut the pictures.


I hope someone archived it.

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Okay,  maybe it's just a privacy thing, but I suspect there's something more to be gleaned from those tickle sites that we're missing.  Any ideas - connection to the "larger" fish, self-incrimination....I don't keep the sites but anyone who did, any ideas?
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