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« Reply #800 on: June 20, 2005, 05:03:35 PM »

Ok I just HAD to check the messages one last time before I got off...sigh...I need to stop doing that. But I read the one about Joran attempting suicide...which is never the answer for anything.
Either Joran is actually feeling guilty (he's lying...so I don't think he's worried about Natalee so much as himself, but we don't know that...) or he's really smart-if he turns himself into the victim, then people will begin to turn against Natalee's family because of the pressure that they've put on him.
But suicide isn't the answer for anyone.
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« Reply #801 on: June 20, 2005, 05:03:42 PM »

Even if he didn't murder her, he knows info or his story wouldn't be changing so much. if it was an accident or he wasn't involved the stories would have stayed the same or they would have told the truth from the beginning.
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« Reply #802 on: June 20, 2005, 05:04:11 PM »

Ok, guys.  I know I'm not the only one that was watching MSNBC when the reported gave the story about 15 minutes ago that Joran left Natalee on the beach asleep.  Did anyone else see that?
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« Reply #803 on: June 20, 2005, 05:04:13 PM »

I wish it would come out what happened.  Kerin I am beginning to wonder if my innocent boy aint guilty.  My gut may have been wrong.
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« Reply #804 on: June 20, 2005, 05:04:13 PM »

I could open but not translate enough to follow it.  Does show case is getting tons of coverage in Aruba.
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« Reply #805 on: June 20, 2005, 05:04:18 PM »

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Thanks for the TIMELINE.  It helps sort out the facts.  This case grows more complex by the hour.
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« Reply #806 on: June 20, 2005, 05:05:05 PM »

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My first post though I've been here all along in the cracks and shadows, through the kind and not so kind. MSNBC just reported that Joran said he left Natalee asleep on the beach.  Has this been reported before?


I do not remember hearing this reported before now.
that goes along with the RUMOR of the guy seeing her being dragged away against her will....correct?


I don't know of that either.  The reporter was saying what the brothers had told as to what they did after they left Joran and Natalee on the beach, then told that Joran said he left Natalee there asleep.


asleep and dead can sometimes look alike, i guess Confused
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« Reply #807 on: June 20, 2005, 05:05:18 PM »

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But do you agree Mole that once they left (Pappa, Holloways and police) to go to the casino that mamma VDS called Joran to tip him off and that is why he left and returned home? (BTW I would have loved to see those cops entering the casino with guns drawn)


The mother tipping off? Again if the kid was in the casino, he wouldn't be able to use his cell. Unless, he had it on vibrate and they had some type of code if that's even possible?? In the casino, the others probably never missed a beat...........
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« Reply #808 on: June 20, 2005, 05:05:32 PM »

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Even if he didn't murder her, he knows info or his story wouldn't be changing so much. if it was an accident or he wasn't involved the stories would have stayed the same or they would have told the truth from the beginning.


Anyone with Dutch law info, how much bearing would it have in trial that the the stories keep changing (assuming it ever made it to trial)?
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« Reply #809 on: June 20, 2005, 05:05:41 PM »

They arent saying it on Fox, but that dont mean much.
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« Reply #810 on: June 20, 2005, 05:05:48 PM »

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« Reply #811 on: June 20, 2005, 05:05:55 PM »

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HEARD THAT:  Joran tried to commit suicide last night and police have him under careful watch....ok now before everyone starts HOGGING this ....we need to understand the pressure hes under and we DO NOT KNWOif he is guilty or not...so this can be a sign of 2 things:  
1. hes guilty and watnsthis to end before we find out
2. hes NOT guilty and is just tireed of everyone focusing on him alone and not believing him.....
So please before we go off on this lets wait and see what happens


I'd say that it means he's guilty and Natalee is dead - not a good sign at all. Sad
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« Reply #812 on: June 20, 2005, 05:06:15 PM »

Is he at the main prison.  Could he just be terrified.  Maybe in Aruba it is different, but bad things happen to handsome young men in American prisons.
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« Reply #813 on: June 20, 2005, 05:06:24 PM »

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Im with you on that Martin !!
I asked a couple of questions about things I felt were important.
1. AGES ago I asked for more info about the shoving/altercation between Joran and Nalalees classmates. It was ignored untill today when it was brought up and seemed important.
2. Why the big deal about McDonalds closing at 1am and him being ? seen there at 3am. Does McDonalds need to be open for him to meet/pick up someone ?
3. The murder(s) other missing people lately not being connected in some way.
I think it odd that a crime free island all of a sudden has a crime wave .
IF Aruba is so safe. Why all the security guards. They dont need them.
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« Reply #814 on: June 20, 2005, 05:06:25 PM »

Quote from: "americaninaruba"
HEARD THAT:  Joran tried to commit suicide last night and police have him under careful watch....ok now before everyone starts HOGGING this ....we need to understand the pressure hes under and we DO NOT KNWOif he is guilty or not...so this can be a sign of 2 things:  
1. hes guilty and watnsthis to end before we find out
2. hes NOT guilty and is just tireed of everyone focusing on him alone and not believing him.....
So please before we go off on this lets wait and see what happens


It's not so bad if he tells us the TRUTH about what happened to Natalee first.
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« Reply #815 on: June 20, 2005, 05:06:31 PM »

Anyone who knows a good translation link to translate Papiamento into English?
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« Reply #816 on: June 20, 2005, 05:07:12 PM »

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Quote from: "americaninaruba"
HEARD THAT:  Joran tried to commit suicide last night and police have him under careful watch....ok now before everyone starts HOGGING this ....we need to understand the pressure hes under and we DO NOT KNWOif he is guilty or not...so this can be a sign of 2 things:  
1. hes guilty and watnsthis to end before we find out
2. hes NOT guilty and is just tireed of everyone focusing on him alone and not believing him.....
So please before we go off on this lets wait and see what happens


You know what AIA, I have thought about this a lot.  What if this boy didn't do anything.  Yes, he was a party boy, but I went to high school with a lot of party boys and none of them were murderers.  I also know a bunch of kids today that like to dress and talk like "gangstas" but are the killers? - No.  I did some research on the boy when his name first came out and found information from his school indicating that he was a good student who tutored in math as well as into sports.  I am suspicious of him, but I find it hard to believe that he is a cold blooded murderer.  I may be wrong, but I see him as a scared 17 year old who had a severe lack of parental guidance, but I'm not sure about him being a murderer.


I'm still thinking, if she is dead, that it was accidental.  None of these boys seem like cold blooded murderers to me either.  But they ARE hiding something and that something should lead us to Natalee.
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« Reply #817 on: June 20, 2005, 05:07:27 PM »

I dont know, if I was innocent in prison, and the whole world was downing me, not to mention my dads job was on hold until this was clear, I would be depressed too.  So it could be either.
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« Reply #818 on: June 20, 2005, 05:07:29 PM »

Honestly at this point, we don't know what he's guilty of. He's guilty of endangering her life, at the least. He did not bring her to the hotel and see her inside, so he's guilty of putting her in a dangerous position at the least. He's also been lying...but I guess it's true that we don't really even know.
There's a lot of ways to read his action...he's shown he's sneaky, so there could be motive to this...but in any case, it is sad.
Don't have much sympathy for his dad, but I feel bad for his mom.
Maybe he'll give up now, and tell them what happened to Natalee.
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« Reply #819 on: June 20, 2005, 05:07:37 PM »

Well, that newspaper editor (I think) Julia ? is on Fox right now - saying the police were watching the 3 main suspects all those days before they were arrested.
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