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« Reply #300 on: June 20, 2005, 08:36:38 PM »

wait....I thought there was still no "confirmation" on which one of the 4 suspects had attempted suicide? Did something change?
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« Reply #301 on: June 20, 2005, 08:36:42 PM »

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Scott, I think they can get manslaughter. Don't ask me the sentence though, have no idea.


Even though Joran is still a minor, does the Aruban legal system allow for him to be tried as an adult?
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« Reply #302 on: June 20, 2005, 08:37:19 PM »

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Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).
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« Reply #303 on: June 20, 2005, 08:37:23 PM »

Unfortuantely, the drawback to the internet is anyway can logon.

Okay, hre's my thought because this brought me back from the losft.

Such non-sense, bashing, derogitive and just plain heinous Natalee talk, doesn't bring her home.

It is also very disrespectful and if I was a family member or friend, I would most likely get a long stick out.  Twisted Evil

Compasion is need. Treat her as if she was your daughter when you decide to comment about her and I will go back to the loft and save my speeches and carpal tunnel I have develped to a minimum.

Now.. back to whatever useful everyone was talking about.   Very Happy
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« Reply #304 on: June 20, 2005, 08:37:30 PM »

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wait....I thought there was still no "confirmation" on which one of the 4 suspects had attempted suicide? Did something change?


The article in one aruba paper said one of them not which one.
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« Reply #305 on: June 20, 2005, 08:38:19 PM »

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this is one of the worst parts of the internet  people think that can say anything because you don't know who they are   none of them would have the balls to come up to you and say it to your face


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I agree. I completely deleted a wedding planning journal that I had online today. I was hesitant to even start it but I finally just decided that I was being paranoid. It's gone now!
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« Reply #306 on: June 20, 2005, 08:38:25 PM »

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Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Thats my point no one knows what they are being held on. Nothing has been reported.
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« Reply #307 on: June 20, 2005, 08:38:34 PM »

We don't know for sure if it is Joran that attempted suicide, and if it is him, that might be why he did it and why he is crying, because of how bad he feels for everything, because of how Natalees family might be feeling, because of  how his family is feeling, and then there is still the possibility that he is crying because he is innocent and sees no way out of proving himself innocent.  Fear will cause people to cry also, if his life is being threatened to keep quiet by a shady character that could be involved and even more guilty.  There is a lot to speculate here on whether his crying is sincere or genuine.  He has no reason to think people would even know he is crying.  

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maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?
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« Reply #308 on: June 20, 2005, 08:38:57 PM »

Per CNN:

-Tattoo party boat not searched
-Steve Croes' boss not questioned
-Computers at Internet Cafe not checked

There were other points that I missed since I didn't see the beginning of the story.  Anyone?
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« Reply #309 on: June 20, 2005, 08:39:05 PM »

Information is from Aruban papers and Aruba girl said that she is not always confident in their press.

There are two federal laws about the internet.  Once, COPPA requires children under 13 to provide parent permission.  I grant you anyone can lie.  The more recent one, and I don't know its name--it the one that is trying to block porn from kids and that is why the 18 disclaimer now.

I know that our school now has such a strict filter that the internet is almost useless.


On one site I moderate, we turn off accounts as soon as the information a poster gives indicates they are under age.  For example someone is talking away and then says they were in fourth grade.  They can fax a signed parents form to the site owner and get the account turned back on.

The other one for the porn protection has some pretty still rules, but again, anyone can lie.
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« Reply #310 on: June 20, 2005, 08:39:52 PM »

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We don't know for sure if it is Joran that attempted suicide, and if it is him, that might be why he did it and why he is crying, because of how bad he feels for everything, because of how Natalees family might be feeling, because of  how his family is feeling, and then there is still the possibility that he is crying because he is innocent and sees no way out of proving himself innocent.  Fear will cause people to cry also, if his life is being threatened to keep quiet by a shady character that could be involved and even more guilty.  There is a lot to speculate here on whether his crying is sincere or genuine.  He has no reason to think people would even know he is crying.


I would think being in jail, guilty or not, might make one slightly depressed....
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« Reply #311 on: June 20, 2005, 08:40:16 PM »

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maybe Joran is a master manipulator and thinks the suicide attempt will make others feel sympathy for him and his family. If he is so upset, can't he see how upset her family is. Did his family not teach him compassion? I would be crying if I hurt an animal and my 23 year old still can't watch Bambi without crying?


I think he is going to use the attempt to plead insanity when convicted or to get a sentence at a mental institution.
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« Reply #312 on: June 20, 2005, 08:40:30 PM »

Yes that is exactly what came across. Two counts of murder. I quickly came on  SM to find out what was going on, I was hoping someone here knew.


Do you think maybe the body they found that was decapitated has something to do with this case? Idea
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« Reply #313 on: June 20, 2005, 08:40:35 PM »

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Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Thats my point no one knows what they are being held on. Nothing has been reported.


This has been reported for weeks on MSM.  They have to suspect them of specific crimes to detain them but do not have to formally "accuse" them until they are ready to go to trial.  At one time, the security guards were being held on the same "suspected" crimes.  I've heard the PR person from the justice ministry talk about this on MSM.
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« Reply #314 on: June 20, 2005, 08:42:19 PM »

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ORANJESTAD — Three weeks after the american student Natalee Holloway disappeared there is not a trace of her. The public Ministry has arrested four and is continuously questioning witnesses and following up tips. This morning Steve Croes was before the Judge Commissioner and his detention was extended.

Paul van der Sloot, the father of 17 year old suspect Joran van der Sloot, was heard for a long time Saturday as a witness. The three other young suspects in the Holloway-case are meanwhile transferred to the holding house (KIA). The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe was moved Friday night to KIA. His older brother Deepak and Joran van de Sloot were transferred today.

It is known of the KIA that suspects can have contact with eachother and fine tune their stories with eachother.  According to Papito Comenencia, police spokesman that will also happen in the Holloway-zaak. Comenencia: “They will surely talk to eachother in KIA, and we have a problem with that."  According to Mariaine Croes, spokesperson for the Public Ministry, the holding of the suspects at KIA does not have to be a problem.  Croes: “The minor will be in a special area for minors and the other two can be separated if that is necessary. Freddie Maduro, KIA director, said that all three will go in the minors section and will be placed so they have no contact with eachother.

26 year old Steve Croes was arraigned today before the judge commissioner who extended his detention for 8 days. Croes was picked up at his house in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. He is suspected of the same matters as the three young people, accessory to murder, accessory to manlaughter (doodslag) or intentional kidnapping (opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving). Croes is DJ on the partyboat de Tattoo.

According to Comenencia Paul van der Sloot was heard as a witness a total of three times. Comenencia: “We hear witnesses all the time, the whole time now. That someone is heard as a witness does not mean that they are a suspect."
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« Reply #315 on: June 20, 2005, 08:42:24 PM »

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Nothing on the bottom of the FOxnews update. This story of the DJ is currently FALSE.


All boxopen is talking about is the fact that the 3 suspects and the DJ are being detained for as suspects for "2 counts of murder".  He was wondering how they get 2 counts out of one person (Natalee).


Thats my point no one knows what they are being held on. Nothing has been reported.


This has been reported for weeks on MSM.  They have to suspect them of specific crimes to detain them but do not have to formally "accuse" them until they are ready to go to trial.  At one time, the security guards were being held on the same "suspected" crimes.  I've heard the PR person from the justice ministry talk about this on MSM.


Don't take this the wrong way, but if the FACT is they are being held on murder charges. Then Natalee was murdered, therefore she is dead. Yet this forum goes on and on about hope. You cannot believe both things.
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« Reply #316 on: June 20, 2005, 08:42:47 PM »

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Maybe if you know people with kids who have these websites, you could give them a heads up. I know that blogger.com has an option to make a blog private, I don't know about the myspace and tickle etc.


I am curious about something that won't make me very popular, I'm sure.  Why does a 7th grader have a publically available blog?


It's this wanting to get attention thing...mine was public when I was like 15 and I liked getting comments from random people...like I was proud of myself because I was interesting and I liked showing off...I dunno. The ONLY way to have one of those, really, is to make it P-R-I-V-A-T-E. It should only be for friends, anyway!


so you want to protect natalee from legitimate questions but have no problem with us putting up a kid's website for thousands of eyes?  give me a break.  sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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« Reply #317 on: June 20, 2005, 08:43:03 PM »

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if this were combined with some involuntary sexual activity (which GHB pretty much implies),...the death penalty are on the table in most U.S. jurisdictions.


Unfortunately, for justice's sake, that's no longer true.

The Supreme Court ruled recently that those who were 16 or 17 at the time they committed murder, can no longer face the death penalty.
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« Reply #318 on: June 20, 2005, 08:43:11 PM »

Nancy Grace is having a conniption fit because Steve Croes' ex-wife is driving around in his car.
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« Reply #319 on: June 20, 2005, 08:43:28 PM »

I know this goes back some pages, but I was waiting to see if anyone else would reply.  

Concerning the dogs, dogs are trained in different specialties.  For instance, a bloodhound could be trained for trailing and another trained for cadaver work.  Two German Shepherds might be trained for drugs and another trained for water rescue/recovery.  It is not breed specific, just what they are trained to do.  Some dogs do cross over, but it is very difficult and tiring on the dogs and trainers.  

Bear in mind that for a dog to remain up to speed, you must train with them at least once a week in their given field.  That requires a good part of a day and two people per dog so the process is very labor and time intensive.  As you can tell, a crossover dog would require an extraordinary amount of time and training - not to speak of the fact that the dog must show the capability of understanding two different tasks.  

Also, I don't remember who, but someone asked about the trail running cold.  When you work with these search and rescue dogs, especially the scent (blood) or cadaver dogs, you have to have some of what you want them to track.  As you might have figured out, that isn't always easy to get and what is available is very small samples.  Without going into specifics, we are talking less than pinky fingernail small.  I've seen dogs find a very old sample in a one square mile quadrant.  As for blood scent dogs, I have watched them find one drop of blood on a piece of towel the same size as your pinky fingernail.  The blood on the towel had been washed with water (not detergent) so that it was not visible to the naked eye.

Hope that clears up some of the questions about the different dogs being brought in.
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