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« Reply #900 on: June 21, 2005, 12:06:13 AM »

Just went to cnn.com -- not a single update on the Natalee situation.  But they had no problem making room for an article on the idiot in the UK who squirted Tom Cruise in the face with a watergun.  

There is something wrong with that picture.
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« Reply #901 on: June 21, 2005, 12:07:11 AM »

I have read that one of the suspect attempted suicide do we know who?
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« Reply #902 on: June 21, 2005, 12:07:28 AM »

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I found the most revealing moment of Greta's show tonight was in her interview with Aruban attorney, Lincoln Gomez.  

She asked him what the other lawyers in Aruba were saying about the case.

He replied, "At the end of the day, they say, look...it's a simple case, and what's going on is what's supposed to be.  The prosecutor is doing his job, the court system is doing what it's supposed to do, and in a few more weeks we'll know whether charges will be pressed against any of the suspects."

Perhaps that, more than anything we've seen or heard, gives a clear indication that the lack of information disclosed to the public in no way suggests that this isn't an open-and-shut slam dunk case for the prosecution.

On a side note, Gomez also said that, while there's no death penalty in Aruba, they have life imprisonment, and a maximum sentence of 20 years.  

Can someone from Aruba please clarify that seemingly obvious contradictory statement?

I can only assume 'life imprisonment' doesn't really mean just that.  

It's rather disturbing to think Joran could have killed her in a calculated, cold-blooded fashion, and that, at worst, he would be out of prison by the time he was 37, with the better part of his life still to live.


IT WAS GOOD PRIMER.  GRETA HAS BEEN GOOD A GETTING THE BASICS WHILE THE OTHERS STRETCH SENSATION.  I THINK GREAT MUST HAVE HER OWN PRODUCTION CREW.  IF YOU GET LIFE I THINK YOU SERVE FOR 20 YEARS OR LESS THAN THAT IF YOU DIE FIRST.  SO IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH YOU GET LIFE.  JORAN IS A DIFFERENT CASE SINCE HE IS A MINOR.  CNN IS ALSO DOING SERIOUS REPORTING IN THE MANNER OF GREAT.



Maybe the longest sentence is life, if you get the bad end of 20 years to life.
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« Reply #903 on: June 21, 2005, 12:07:31 AM »

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Just went to cnn.com -- not a single update on the Natalee situation.  But they had no problem making room for an article on the idiot in the UK who squirted Tom Cruise in the face with a watergun.  

There is something wrong with that picture.


They started pulling it off the header section yesterday. WE LOVE FOX>WE LOVE FOX sorry just fit there.
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« Reply #904 on: June 21, 2005, 12:07:39 AM »

Two observations:
#1. They have hired a lawyer and if a lawsuit is being planned it will probably not be the first they file. First is grief, then anger.  No doubt we'll also see a lawsuit for wrongful death/disapperance against Aruban officials/Police, C & Cs, the chaperones regardless of any signed disclaimers or what the chaperones role was supposed to be. Not saying this is right or wrong..just human nature.  I'd probably do the same. Trust me on this...Lawyers are salivating as we speak.  

#2. As someone who is around teens a lot...A 16-17 year old and a 13-14 year old is certainly not a rare occurence in the southern United States. I've seen a lot of 13 year old girls act like they are going on 20 and a lot of 17 year old boys who act like they are 13. Kudos to the mother for breaking it off because it would seem too great an age discrepancy giving Joran's free styling ways, but it is not so outside of the norm that it should be the subject of speculation for anything other than what it appears to be on the surface.  Not that I would want to suggest that anyone curb speculation on this forum in any way...How foolish would that be....LOL...
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« Reply #905 on: June 21, 2005, 12:07:45 AM »

I don't know what to think of what Dan posted on his site.  I do think it's possible they are giving Joran a lie detector test.  Given the pressure from the US and from Aruba to solve this case fast...it makes sense they may have consented to use a lie detector as an investigative tool...especially if they can't break through the differing stories via interrogations.

I'd like to know which of the boys changed their story?  That's very important...this version suggests it's Joran's revised story...not the brothers.  

And, the Twittys filing suit makes total sense.  Since they are somewhat concerned there's a cover-up here and there may be corruption or some such thing...their suit will help them see exactly what evidence and investigative choices were made.
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« Reply #906 on: June 21, 2005, 12:07:58 AM »

We don't know if it happened.  If it happened we don't know whom.


It was in one issue of an Aruban paper.
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« Reply #907 on: June 21, 2005, 12:08:26 AM »

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he got the shirt from gopher on the love boat..(sorry couldnt resist)


what is ghosting?

fr FOM, whtes ghstong?



Cute Tuber!  I am new at blogging too!  Would like to know about ghosting and FOM ...??
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« Reply #908 on: June 21, 2005, 12:08:30 AM »

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he got the shirt from gopher on the love boat..(sorry couldnt resist)


what is ghosting?

fr FOM, whtes ghstong?


Ghosting is when you completely ignore trolls so that they will go away. Trolls are pathetic people who post solely to offend and enrage other people.
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« Reply #909 on: June 21, 2005, 12:08:40 AM »

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Here in lovely Texas:
10:56 CT, mid 70's, clear skies, looks like it is a full moon or very close (hard to tell since my contacts are melted on my eyeballs)

Does that help FOM?


OK, i am being blonde again...what is FOM?? Embarassed


Friend of Monkey, silly!
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« Reply #910 on: June 21, 2005, 12:08:44 AM »

Hi Mountain!
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« Reply #911 on: June 21, 2005, 12:08:45 AM »

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I have read that one of the suspect attempted suicide do we know who?


Not yet and we only have this from 1 source.
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« Reply #912 on: June 21, 2005, 12:09:37 AM »

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If he is guilty and convicted, he is also a minor and would probably get even less due to his youth.  I'm not sure if they are allowed to charge him as an adult, like in this country.  Maybe someone knows, but if charged as a minor would get far less.  Maybe someone else can confirm that or add more.


Under dutch law anyone over the age of 16 is treated as an adult.
Lincoln Gomez is a very good friend of mine and I will ask him about the penalties tomorrow. But I believe it's 20 to life for murder cases......
(I cannot remember anyone getting more then 20 though)
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« Reply #913 on: June 21, 2005, 12:10:06 AM »

Night all.
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« Reply #914 on: June 21, 2005, 12:10:58 AM »

Man! I am on the phone for 5 min and you guys are just posting like crazy!
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« Reply #915 on: June 21, 2005, 12:10:59 AM »

Beth mentioned the suit in the interview.  But they did not stop much.  Said they had contact through the lawyer.  Then mentioned that if they were going to have access they had to file something and she and Natalee's father decided they had to have a lawyer and do this.  I missed the whatever it was they were filing.

Is there a transcript of the interview.  I hate audio files and would much rather read it than hear it again.
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« Reply #916 on: June 21, 2005, 12:11:15 AM »

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Can someone from Aruba please clarify that seemingly obvious contradictory statement?

I can only assume 'life imprisonment' doesn't really mean just that.
And you are right... I can confirm that in almost european countries the equivalent to US "life imprisonment" is 20 years max.
Beside that exists the judicial "sum" (I don't know if that is the correct word) it's something like that: in the final sentence the sum of all penalties cannot pass the 20-years limit. Exclamation
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« Reply #917 on: June 21, 2005, 12:11:31 AM »

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Night all.


Yeah, past my bedtime too.  Goodnight.
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« Reply #918 on: June 21, 2005, 12:11:38 AM »

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Man! I am on the phone for 5 min and you guys are just posting like crazy!


How dare you be on the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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« Reply #919 on: June 21, 2005, 12:11:50 AM »

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Another report from Dan Riehl:

Joran v d Sloot: A Contrast In Character
Following up on a story by Steve Huff of The Dark Side, having reviewed certain records, including text and images, which cannot be made public as they involve minors not implicated in this case, it does seem apparent that 17 year old high school senior Joran v d Sloot walked a strange and wide line between man and boy.

Apparently, at the same time 6'4" school athelete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had an apparent romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship back in March.

Read more about it here: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html


What, if any, are the laws regarding statutory rape in Aruba?

Is it actually legal for a 17 year old to have sexual relations with a 13 year old there?
 

AND WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SEXUAL RELATIONS.
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