Joran has an "intermittant explosive disorder"

[Elaine]

Week three of the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I am still betting, that they already have the guilty party in this case, incarcerated.I dont want to say that Natalee was or was not a saint, I don't know that. (however, this should not happen to anyone, ANYONE, Good or Bad.) I believe they just need more concrete evidence, to assure a conviction. I believe that she befriended the 17 yr old Joran, and when she rejected his "advances.", he "exploded" and harmed her. Why? Because, he has a history of explosive behavior,...examp: he pushed a classmate through a glass window, he argued and almost got into a fistfight with boys from Natalees school, the day before they left for home( without Natalee of course.) I am a rehabilitative specialist, and work with people, who suffer from a disorder called "intermitant explosive disorder."People with this illness act a lot like Joran Van Der Sloot. They can be kind and caring, seem friendly etc., etc...... and then all of a sudden.....boom....something sets them off....and they react, usually in a rather violent matter. Some, progress to explode without provocation, some are treated with medication and improve. I am not a physician, so i cannot say that Joran has this disorder, however he suffers from something along this line..as his temper tantrams with outburst, show us. I believe that people knew he had a problem, and that not "enough", was done about it. I also beleive that we would hear a LOT more about some of his behaviors had his Dad not been so "prominent". It is my opinion, that they have the right suspect, right where he belongs! Hopefully, they will find enough proof to hold him there, and to give Natalee's family closure. All the theories of, runaway, or slavery etc. are a nice alternative to what is probably the truth in this case. We all "know" what that is, unfortunately, now that three weeks have gone by. I HOPE and PRAY that they find this girl soon!..........Elaine

[tennisnet2002]

Unfortunately the chances of finding a body will be slim. Unless the body is still on the island and was not thrown in the ocean... Hopefully the holloways will get peace by finding a body at least.....

[Dutchlady]

As I profiled on another site with my disciplines in environmental psychology - biolanguage the police use as a term for behaviours and language differences, I think where they are in my triangle is in the area of where Joran's home is as pond and deserted house fit the time and criteria more than the beach, and lighthouse. Both the distancing and time lines mean that in the dark a place to take  and not be seen is different than a guy taking a pretty girl on a date and it getting heavy.

No, there were three at the time of Natalee's timeline  who are involved and a parent of one that was not aware of the car pulling in  at the gates at the early hours of the morning even though dogs would bark and run the the gate. The flat of Jorans is private entrance and he did say he would email in a text message. Now why not text that message? The computer that time of the morning is not needed is it, and school in a few hours, so why this form of IM or email. It shows if correct the knowledge of Mobile transfer units and that picking up signals detects the location of the user to a specific grid point, text messages are also recorded.

Search teams are going into the pond area in the  region of Noord in Montana if that is the map I have got where there is a polluted stagnent mass of water and heavy particle concentration because of dumping vehicles and rubbish proliferously, there is also an abandoned house in the view. Both these  afford a situation of either containment, or a more sinister depositing that is familiar in predator disposal methods. The person who if disposing of something organic does so to  evade the biodegrading particles being detected. Hence a stagnent pool rather than a packed beach would be the most advantageous.

Dogs can scent the methane better than probes, and in summer the plant growth around such stagnent water is eutrophication made into algal blooms that show a brighter green fertilised foliage. Experience in time dependant plant growth should be in the trackers mindset if looking for a grave or depository place. However, it is still open that Natalee is contained by other than the four in custody and near to Joran's  house. I have read of the slave theory and feel some are tools of one or more of the four to move this off the centre area of suspicion.  I also from listening to the former police officer who says the arguement of whether Deepak or Satish drove Joran back from the beach is raised. No one drove in my view anyone back from any beach and this little scam is to make the beach fit. I do not see a person nearly 18 with two other males taking a girl who is leaving a night club and then deciding on sex when she is intoxicated, it does not make sense unless this is to have her incapacitated as not a romantic act. It does not compute.

Therefore, if one had a private flat at home with the parent/judge insitu or stated as such, would not any girl feel safer at this suggestion? Especially if there was a pool there, and trusted person.  I speculate as to credibility of taking a person to  a public place instead of a private place in a non date situation with three men when the 'victim' is incapacitated and most likely to vomit in the car or place as most taxi drivers know. I rest speculation and wait for the inner search in that 'hotspot' which is the most favourable as to empty house, pond and in the triangle of the words they said.

Lighthouse, north, beach, west, Holliday Inn South west. Missing is the East to Noord, or south to the international school which is where a ruined lighthouse is. Time says nearer to the house of Joran and where dogs do not go, or tourists.

[Elaine]

This theory sounds to me to be right on! I believe when they start searching that spot, on Friday they will find something, i beleive that this IS AS CLOSE TO THE TRUTH, as I've seen so far, thank you so much for your input. : )....Praying for Natalee's family.....Elaine

[Dutchlady]

I believe that the situation was that the father was out, and did not see the dogs bark and the gate open and the car come to take Joran back to the nightclub as his mother states she is the disciplinarian. I have reason to think all three took Natalee back to his flat, and there was no lighthouse, beach, or other public location due to the cognitive reasoning shown by his behaviourisms which his mother puts into a very graphic constructive picture of her 'boy' and his traits. He does not rough it.

A profusely sweating husband who is used to hearing deviant behaviour charges and has knowledge of criminology and behaviours as one would expect of a judge in training is showing on camera extreme unease. The veins stand out on his forehead, he evades the cameras lens,  and takes the opportunity to escape to the phone. On coming back the sweat running down his face is gone,  he is composed again.  He is not in his wifes emotional circle as he was responsible for his son,  when his son went out to take this girl. a persons daughter,  in the middle of the night. His whole attitude from the start has been wrong in what he should have done listening the remarks from Natalees husband and his statements. Now that the island sees this the emotional card come in. It is too little to late.  

Joran and his friends I believe would take the easiest route as do not like to get themselves dirty on public beaches, there is no evidence they do this. I suggest that the rage pattern is abandonment rage, and remember his mother was away in Holland. If Joran took someone home to his flat and no one was there, the dogs, and cars would not be noticed. The excuse of the computer and call I put forward as to be is a red herrring, for he was there already I would say as the easiest thing that could be done at this time of the night. This is a lad that eats at fast food outlets, not gourmet restaurants and frequents casino's with someone elses money. Does he work???

Therefore in my research of predator disposal patterns I have found whether a living person is held hostage, or killed, it depends on the mind of the highest in the pack, and at present I do not have a fixed point of the  main decision maker. That is why I feel more arrests have to come. This is way to specialised for a 17 year old in that their is no sign of the girl or her belongings since he took her with him, not the other way round. A more advanced mind and some planning results in hiding evidence and a person, as some dispose in the open, or run away, none of these did this. They blamed a lower socio ecomic workers as escaping so they thought justice. They lied, and lied and lied and implicated others which is an offence. Perverting the course of justice, lying in a police statement, using up public funded resources, etc, etc.

The father knows something that is clear from his biological actions shown on camera with his wife, what that is he has divulge to his wife, the police, and his superiors. He is at risk of a stroke if this pressure keeps  up, and would worry more of his health than his deviant son and his friends. None of their family of those incarcerated is saying it is a nightmare, or coming forward and one must ask are they silenced in this for some reason??? I also think the Deepak email, at least one is in part genuine, but as the whole message heading is missing it could have been deleted by someone as the names are.

We must not let this be seen emotional blackmail as families as personality disorder specialists know are apt to be in denial because of its financial,social and communitiy implications.  Every consulting room sees such denials. Natalee I would be looking for at that house and around the estate that is off limits to the public. Reasonable assumption in all missing persons cases as starting point. Remember Fred West. No one was missing till a rumour started. Remember Jamie Bulger. Remember Amber Swartz, Nicky Campbell, the latter are still causing a cloud over one person even though he is in an elevated position. 'Stalemate'. is very apt.

[fnkmsta]

The two posts here are the most well thought out and educated intelligent theories to date. Is there a way to share them with the authorities? Do the Aruba investigators have people like these at their disposal?

[Twelve Monkeys]

Thanks Dutchlady. This is very insightful.

[veme]

I also think the Deepak email, at least one is in part genuine,

I found the Deepak e-mail very convincing in regards to his father's high blood presure & his mother crying all the time.

Dutchlady,
Why do you think the authorities have had such a difficult time getting a confession out the 4 suspects? I can not understand this. I would be very interested in your opinion. Thank You.
 

[foxman]

Thank you dutchlady for sharing your valuable insight.

[Rubby]

Very insightful and down avenues I never thought of.


A creature of habit!

[Dutchlady]

Father of Joran arrested after my posting, co-incidence, or mature mind seeing forensic evidence in behaviours????

Now my view after watching interviews one hour ago on Fox News. See my intuitive vision on the psychic thread, this was given to authorities from a contact over two weeks ago. Due to the above, I can now disclose what the psychic vision said which reluctantly I put with my  academic disciplines as a working private investigative scientist. The Texan team can contact me as geological profiler, I would need ordinance survey map asp  to be posted as image here so as to enlarge the area. That is a geological ordinance survey map, of the island. Can you at scared monkeys do that.


I listened to the mother of Deepak and Satish who one was supposed to come home after working at the internet café after 11.pm. No excuse was given that they were both out from 11.pm or after collecting Joran and the time of  up to 3 am or more when they said they saw the security guards at 2 am. Critically, she said Natalee wanted to see the lighthouse, - at 2 am in the morning in pitch black?

 They said critically that they went to Jorans home after this.

Anita, Joran’s mother said her husband was in bed asleep and did not see Joran go out and come in. The other children then must have been with the mother in Holland, and at first said ‘weekend’, them amended to a ‘week’ as her being in Holland, and that Joran said if she had been there he would not have gone out.

What this shows is that Joran’s father was not at home, nor could he have been in the time the boys collected Joran from the home, if it was the home they collected him from, and not the fast food place.

The mother of the two brothers said they said ‘returned to Joran’s home after lighthouse. Now beach story  which would mean forensics of sand particles and tire tracks as trace evidence of a visit.

Take internet café and one of the brothers having the keys to lock up, the taking of  digital cameras by police, the fact mother worked till after midnight and the fact that the car was not there of one of the brothers.

Joran’s father does not have an alibi for the missing hours, then as said to be asleep. Neither do  any of those  in custody as well have an albi.


My reluctance all through to use my intuitive (psychic) side is now being shown as the walled   I drew 17 days ago of building   IS the Van Der Sloot home. Why? Because the view the camera gave me in the interview shows a similar window screen at the back of the picture beyond the dining table to Anita’s left. This is not the room shown by spirit guides. It is another room in that complex, and I have not been given that angle before in cameras. Is Fox panning for me, and reading, as  some of my theories and research are woven into the programme. I believe Aruban authorities and fbi are reading the messages, and or people here posting them to those authorities. I stand by my profile on Riels is it site and every academic aspect that can argued as none biased based on what my disciplines in behavioural science teach me in perception.

Today, I asked spirit guide for help, and like previous cases the message was the song  with a vision.
‘Matchstick and matchstick cats and dogs, on the street … with the marching clogs’
This without any prompting was repetitive with an image of like straw or hay, as in pickup sticks as a bundle covering the thing they wanted me to see. My spirit guide is strangely Anita 'Conswala' ( it is how they give it to    me as sound) who has not come in before. The place where Natalee is will be found by the Texan dog’s. The bundle of  sticks is near WATER,  that pond?, no it is  near the house. A bin is in the scene, it is red.

Before I had got with another case ‘jack and jill went up the hill and Jill came tumbling after and the stagnant weeds in water of where the Girls were in the Holly and Jessica case as recorded on the community website before they were found.

In sincere and ethical communication I am relaying as the experts did on Fox News my profile which has been published earlier and this one in reply to those academics who can peer review me and have done. The metaphysical I have no way of doing such a test for as authenticity till  and if this is over.  

I repeat, I do not see Natalee in this spiritual scene alive or dead. I do not do seances or profess to be a medium or working psychic. I am gifted in some way. My scientific disciplines and research in such cases has added to this specialism of verbal semiotic coded language.

One of you asked why the four suspects had not come up with anything. Now the keys fit. The Aruban people, and the authorties are showing they are in command of the situation and are making none biased judgements of who is responsible for what is looking like a homicide investigation. I say this as the lies as there is a lot of lying that would not occurr in an accident by a lot of people. Now local people who have been afraid to talk will. My heart goes out   to the family of  Natalee at this time. Closure is what they need now and yes a   miracle. Against all academic reasoning I hope that she is a prisoner in the corner of that triangle and will be found alive. I pray for that. Please pray with me.

[Lausa]

...I am gifted in some way. My scientific disciplines and research in such cases has added to this specialism of verbal semiotic coded language... Against all academic reasoning I hope that she is a prisoner in the corner of that triangle and will be found alive. I pray for that. Please pray with me.

  Dutchlady, your posts are incredible.  These gifts you have are amazing, and as you say, work side-by-side with your scientific training.  I think it would take a strong person to be able to cross the barriers between the spirtual and the material.  I appreciate your powerful insights.  And I will pray with you that Natalee is found...alive!

[MominTN]

Quiet introverted types usually have another side.
Also, he may have assumed he was getting sex and did not consider that many American girls flirt or makeout and then say no.

[Michael22]

Quiet introverted types usually have another side.
Also, he may have assumed he was getting sex and did not consider that many American girls flirt or makeout and then say no.

maybe he got fed up with that
but from the feel of it
he acted soo non-chalante
when he met her
like he wasn't outgoing to meet anyone that night
he was just 'there'
hmm
reading the dutch ladys post
makes me think
did they ever search the yard of the van der sloots..?
jeezus hate to think they buried her in their own backyard
like a 'dog'
yikes would explain how they had the 'time' to do so
and be hidden in doing so.
well I myslef
am as always hoping for the best

[Dutchlady]

I am not posting anymore on this site as biases on my language have led to cyber stalking in private messages saying I am no better than Joran as I  to have spelling mistakes and cannot name proper nouns, among others and I AM LAZY. I am not reading the others as it is too negative in what I do for no fee.

I am a disabled veteran who has in later life taken more than an an honours degre.  I had no schooling as a child of family who's peasant ancestors went to US. I left and served my country with exemplorary conduct, and continued in retiredment to do so. Against all the odds after my colleague was murdered in my early life, I have won awards for learning scientifically after a serious spinal injury, and raised over 1 million dollars for charity as a UK person who has lived in the Far East and Netherlands where my children were born.

I have researched and had my work peer reviewed as to finding the other persons missing, and again, it is not my role to find out who did it. It is geological profiling of which I shall be speaking as European case histories since 1832 as that history of predator disposal patterns. I shall be lecturing in LA and LV in December. 'The talking stone' is the title.  

My use of message boards is to make a difference not fill time, and with the time clock you will see we are 7 hours in front of you, my posts are in good faith and not as in journal work where I employ an editor, who can see better than my glasses some days, as touch type the message instead of word and paste. The time I have is spent on a moorland searching for a child of two serial killers and three in Scotland, also those in East US and West coast as advisory. Therefore, I am a practical person who as a scientist is not an orator in fine language.


In reply to posts on when I gave psychic vision I did so as early as the 7th to another person with the drawing as private email who keeps all my messages as confidential passed to LE so as not to  be a sensationalist, and that is why I do not do tv psychic interviews or media contracts.

Therefore, I wait and pray as  a follower of Billy Graham that those who are searching will find evidence of Natalee.  This is my last post to this site.

[Cerulean]

Well, Dutchlady, I'm sorry if people are indeed cyberstalking you.  There's a lack of clarity, proof, or supporting evidence for many of your extragant claims.  I asked repeatedly for a simple link to a description of the Van Der Sloot home you said you gave before it appeared on Greta's show.  The links I was given all proved to be wrong, one after the other.  About five of them.  The last two were impossible to follow.  Now there is yet another source of confirmation for this is given, private emails, inaccessible, with a much sooner date than the other supposed confirmations.  I was taken hither and yon following these but the all turned out to be nothing.    

Can you give us some confirmation of your finding these serial killers, child killers and others?  Who did you find them for?  When did you find them?  Who can testify to this?  It sounds unlikely.  Exactly what degrees do you hold and from where?  As for your language, it contains a lot of what sounds like scientific terms but the sentences they inhabit are NOT coherent.  I've tried to decipher them.

[Dutchlady]

You have dismissed my veteran status quite simply and as in rules of security to divulge my identity as challenged is one rule that is prominent in message boards. I have no need to define my case profiles that are with international police forces. If my clients as families have used my work and the predators found they do not as I do not expose these to media who shred them for tabloid editing. My research is in the bowels of the Welcome Trust and the Cambridge University, and archives as a post graduate mature student/researcher with my honours degree in environmental sciences and a post grad certs to Masters in medical specialisms, a cert in risk management, etc. I express what to Professors seems cognitive even in my tone used, so if they can respond ethically laymen should when I try to  use laymen language. As said I do not need to be subjected to a vigilante attack when it is against the status quo of what is the preferred attack on the Holloway family.

To understand the criminal mind you have to have been subjected to its deviance as a victim, you have had to live through it and to study objectively how other predators in different forms think. Therefore my work away from cancer medicine in hypoxia  as PhD thesis used by several Professors now as groundbreaking was taken to this study of environmental mapping when a family pleaded for my help.

I wil not give to an anonymous source the information as the fbi has it and me and my qualifications and that is ALL that matters, for I am part of an 'epistemic' community.

My work on marine cancer medicines  before I knew of Bryostatin as Professor Fenicals work was because I saw and commented to a university on instead of plants as Vincristine, Vinblastine and Taxol the use of bivalve hydrothermal vent species who have unique particles of  bacteria that seek oxygen same as a  cancer cell does as parasitic. My theory in the 1997 of  some underarm deodorants was discussed at Cambridge and viewed then by antagonists as laymen as not possible. Now in the Lancet Oncology it is found that a chemical in under arm  sweat products does predispose those to cancer. It is there to be read. However, my name is not credited with it as I am not the one dis-proving my theory. Those in universities internationally know of my reputation of which they as funded in this as they  ASK can they use it as intellectual copyright.

The answer to this in other disciplines is that this very morbid subject of finding predator disposal patterns as tools in understanding psycholinguistics is  one that can be reviewed in the American Journal of Forensic Psychology, which I read to try and find a child missing in contrast to media and message boards that hold only a dialogue that feeds advertising.

To be peer reviewed I expect my attackers to have some form of identity such as Larry King who I would if asked debate this with on tv live, as a person who can call in known experts to the table.

[wbvious]

dutchlady ...it is obvious to most of us(i hope) that you really are quite gifted and for the most part i think the great majority of viewers and posters here thoroughly enjoy reading your postings ...

by no means are people like the idiot above representative of the hundreds who admire what you can offer...
(yes, i'm referring to the person who keeps demanding that you provide "proof" of your success in past cases...who the hell are they?)

if you have insight, you have insight...period.

please just ignore the morons who live to cause problems for others...they are weak by nature (which is explanation enough for their actions)...and if anybody has to call you to task for your inaccuracies in grammar, well that's just sad...i feel extremely embarassed for them...

please continue posting...!

as for those who can't seem to find the proper link(s), it's rather simple ...
go to SEARCH, type in the poster's name that you're looking for and type in any keywords that you need...(oh and make sure the search is set to show 'posts' and not 'topics'...)

[Pete]

Well, Dutchlady, I'm sorry if people are indeed cyberstalking you.  There's a lack of clarity, proof, or supporting evidence for many of your extragant claims.  I asked repeatedly for a simple link to a description of the Van Der Sloot home you said you gave before it appeared on Greta's show.  The links I was given all proved to be wrong, one after the other.  About five of them.  The last two were impossible to follow.  Now there is yet another source of confirmation for this is given, private emails, inaccessible, with a much sooner date than the other supposed confirmations.  I was taken hither and yon following these but the all turned out to be nothing.    

Can you give us some confirmation of your finding these serial killers, child killers and others?  Who did you find them for?  When did you find them?  Who can testify to this?  It sounds unlikely.  Exactly what degrees do you hold and from where?  As for your language, it contains a lot of what sounds like scientific terms but the sentences they inhabit are NOT coherent.  I've tried to decipher them.

I'll be happy to respond to this for the THIRD TIME.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?p=38871&sid=07106ee22b4b392b780d2b11159453d4#38871

Cerulean, nobody has to prove anything to anybody on this board, me, you, or anyone else. We can all believe what we want to or not believe, whatever the case may be.

[Scott]

 
I suggest that the rage pattern is abandonment rage.

I concur with this assessment based on the interview Greta van Susteren conducted with Anita and Paulus van der Sloot.

Here is the relevant excerpt:

VAN SUSTEREN: Girlfriends?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, of course. I mean, there were two girlfriends in his life that he had a longer relationship with. One was an American girl, who left, who was part of the school, and she just sent an e-mail totally upset because she finished the relationship and she thought that Joran was too sweet, she needed a stronger man.

Why would a mother say something in an interview aired worldwide, that would be most embarrassing and humiliating to her son?

Why say, in a defensive manner, 'Yes, of course', and then immediately proceed to correct herself by saying, 'I mean...' ?

In a homophopic society like Aruba, where any absence of masculinity amongst men is denigrated and frowned upon, it is reasonable to conclude that Joran, through societal pressure, overcompensated for his perceived lack of manhood by preying upon vulnerable women whom were either extremely intoxicated, drugged or not mature enough to recognize his motive, like the 13-year old 7th grade East Asian girl he dated this past year.

With Natalee, another American girl, he likely transferred that abandonment rage upon her.

There is also reason to believe this was not an isolated or first incident.

Why would Deepak, a friend of Joran's, say that "he should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy", unless Deepak has knowledge or reason to believe that Joran is dangerous or that Natalee wouldn't be safe with him because he has a violent past with women?