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« Reply #100 on: June 21, 2005, 08:57:02 AM »

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This lawsuit will not even reach the court formally while the investigation is still ongoing.  The family having acces to policerecords even before miss Holloway is found is unheard of and might even jeopardize the case in court. So why bother suing now?.  The results of the investigation can only be given formally to the family after the investigation is closed. That means, miss Holloway is either found or still missing with the suspects confessing a murder.

I don't see any legal problems in mounting a search on the Island. Everybody is free to look around on the Island. But they will not get access to records of the police and JD.


tv (think cnn) this morning describing their motion is to join the prosecution as a victims rep to gain more access to the process.  they say this is automatic in the dutch system.  is that true?


Yes, as a victim of a very serious crime, or surviving next of kin you have limited rights to be involved in the trialprocedures. You can get 'spreekrecht' the right to tell directly to the suspect how his criminal act has impacted your life. However, there are limitations to this, so Natalee's family must not set their hopes on complete access during trial.
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« Reply #101 on: June 21, 2005, 08:57:48 AM »

The Aruban newspapers are getting defensive, although I don't blame them. In today's AM Digital, there is a front-page story about an American caught smuggling drugs. There is also an article from Scripps News Service about the dangers of young Americans coming to the islands for beaches, booze and sex.
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« Reply #102 on: June 21, 2005, 08:58:39 AM »

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so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..
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« Reply #103 on: June 21, 2005, 09:01:48 AM »

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As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

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Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!
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« Reply #104 on: June 21, 2005, 09:02:57 AM »

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As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I know the two indians mother. She is a very quiet person. Maybe something wrong happened and her sons are involved. My son knows all of them. Even though there is the possibility of a crime or anything else nobody expected this.

What is really happening? What is behind all this? Unfortunately Aruba is situated along the coast of Venezuela and Colombia and is 2:30 hrs flight to Florida. But why this? Could it be prevented? Are there more people involved? I would like to volunteer myself to help find this lady, if she is here in Aruba, dead or alive. My hope is that the overreaction and disproportional coverage by the CNN and FOX news is not part of a hidden agenda.

My hope is also that this mystery will contribute positively to the aruban safety and quality.

Thank you for your understanding. You are welcome to come to Aruba.


Good morning All, and welcome to the board Humbd. "We" welcome all Arubians with their insight and information on this case. I do not think that there is any "hidden agenda". there is nothing to be gained. And , as you say, in the long run, this should turn out to be a positive development, if I can use such a term in regards to this possible tragedy, for Aruba in that one would think they would be tightening up on the policing of their owns laws and regulations - such as the underaged in their clubs and casinos. Perhaps better monitoring of all such environments where tourists are "off guard" and relaxed.
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« Reply #105 on: June 21, 2005, 09:03:06 AM »

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Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

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Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!


Well said, Paula--I think you just verbalized why this story is so compelling. Good morning, everyone!
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« Reply #106 on: June 21, 2005, 09:03:20 AM »

Thanks for the baby update American.


If her mom is there I am sure they will doing more visiting than computering.

Keep us posted.
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« Reply #107 on: June 21, 2005, 09:03:25 AM »

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Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

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Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!

i agree very well stated!
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« Reply #108 on: June 21, 2005, 09:03:42 AM »

Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?
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« Reply #109 on: June 21, 2005, 09:03:47 AM »

Morning everyone........... ANy new news..watchin fox all last night until i fell asleep to it lol..... last night with greta was great! She really does a great job!!!  ANy updates on the confirmation on who "attempted suicide"......
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« Reply #110 on: June 21, 2005, 09:04:19 AM »

<<i wonder if this search team will get resistance or be restricted....afterall, they are going to a foreign country.......imagine if a team from france wanted to come here to look for a lost citizen in florida because they thought the US was doing a poor job on the investigation.>>


Imagine this sound bite:

"We brought in an elite search and recovery team to cover places that could not reached before.  But the Aruban government wouldn't let it do its job."

My guess: Texas EquuSearch will not be hassled.
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« Reply #111 on: June 21, 2005, 09:05:39 AM »

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Morning everyone........... ANy new news..watchin fox all last night until i fell asleep to it lol..... last night with greta was great! She really does a great job!!!  ANy updates on the confirmation on who "attempted suicide"......

Front page of scaredmonkeys says it was Joran but there is no confirmation.
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« Reply #112 on: June 21, 2005, 09:06:07 AM »

The Texas group has worked internationally before.  The were in the tsunami searches, at least that is what I read.

I am sure they know how to work WITH the local authorities.
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« Reply #113 on: June 21, 2005, 09:06:31 AM »

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Hi

As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

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Hi, Hubmd;
I think this story has become so important to us in the U.S. because as a rule, if you are or have a good kid, one who spends the majority of their time focusing on studying and on All-American, wholesome activities, as a rule, you are not in any 'high risk' group and end up safely tucked in your bed at night and awake to see another day.
When something disturbs that theory, it strikes terror in many hearts.
Although, it may not be apparent to those who do not live here, the U.S. very highly values the role of parents and their goal to raise good and decent human beings. This young lady appears to epitomize the result that we all dream of.....a worthwhile young adult who understood the value of education and giving.
In other words, we know what what's important. It's not movie stars, big houses, and money. It's raising kids to have a purpose and to utilize the gift of life they have. NH's dissapearance is basically nothing less than the theft of a national treasure.
This is my opinion, but I am sure that I am close to describing how a lot of people feel about this and why we are absolutely obsessed with finding her. No matter what happened, we want her back where she belongs!


Nice post, Paula..
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« Reply #114 on: June 21, 2005, 09:06:53 AM »

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As an aruban I have a question for you. Why is the disappearance of Natalee being covered by the mainstream media like no other disappearance?

I think this is receiving so much attention, because it's a compelling mystery.  How does an 18 year old girl dissappear without a trace in the space of four hours?  That it's your part of earth is simply happenstance.
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« Reply #115 on: June 21, 2005, 09:08:51 AM »

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so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Under normal circumstances they only way you can get 'official' information about what happend to miss Holloway is:
a)when her body is found. That means the JD confirms officially that she is found dead, and has been killed.
b)she is found alive and giving somekind of statement to the press
c)the first day of trial, 'pro forma'. That is when the procecutor will officially indict the suspects. Some details about how she is killed will emerge then.

I don't think in this case it will be different. MSM barrage or not.
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« Reply #116 on: June 21, 2005, 09:11:12 AM »

thanks Rob and Gerben.
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« Reply #117 on: June 21, 2005, 09:11:47 AM »

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so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Under normal circumstances they only way you can get 'official' information about what happend to miss Holloway is:
a)when her body is found. That means the JD confirms officially that she is found dead, and has been killed.

one thing i do respect about the dutch system is, that misinterpertations are few...the fact are the facts....
b)she is found alive and giving somekind of statement to the press
c)the first day of trial, 'pro forma'. That is when the procecutor will officially indict the suspects. Some details about how she is killed will emerge then.

I don't think in this case it will be different. MSM barrage or not.
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« Reply #118 on: June 21, 2005, 09:12:55 AM »

Thanks, All; I had a feeling we were 'united' as to why she is everyone's daughter.

Gerben aka Pays Bas; thanks for such thoughtful and informative posts. Your appreciation and insight is appreciated and helpful.
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« Reply #119 on: June 21, 2005, 09:13:10 AM »

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so Rob are you going on the assumption that the prosecutor's office in this case will continue to detain these guys the maximum amount of time allowed and then charge them.

from a prosecutorial POV this would indeed give them time to get their ducks in a row IMO


i m  under the impression that nothing is coming out, unless there is a leak.. but i think that is highly unlikely..


Under normal circumstances they only way you can get 'official' information about what happend to miss Holloway is:
a)when her body is found. That means the JD confirms officially that she is found dead, and has been killed.
b)she is found alive and giving somekind of statement to the press
c)the first day of trial, 'pro forma'. That is when the procecutor will officially indict the suspects. Some details about how she is killed will emerge then.

I don't think in this case it will be different. MSM barrage or not.

TYVM for this information. I have been trying as much as I can to understand the laws in aruba since they are so diff then  here in our states.
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