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« Reply #280 on: June 21, 2005, 10:33:33 AM »

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Anyone know if the Boat DJ that was arrested had access to the boat all the time?? Possible with a set of keys to allow for burial of a body off the coast. For that matter, could have been to transport her to a different location in South America?


His boss, immediately after he was arrested, seemed to think he could not have taken the boat out alone...something about the electronics on it. I don't have a clue where I read that - most likely here in an earlier thread.
That is correct, I saw his boss on CNN last Friday night, here in Canada, and he said that Steve had a key to get into the boat but was not able to start the engine because it has a computorized locking system. Also to answer another question the boat does not go out Sunday night, that is why he answered the question if Steve could have taken the boat out. I also agree with another poster saying that Pop's career of being a judge is not going to happen, not there anyways, too much media attention world wide, in the Casino's and drinking with his son who is under age, and I am sure alot more that the government will try to hide from the American People, because of his son Aruba is now under scrutiny and that is not what the Government wants, not this kind of media. He has opened up "Pandor's Box".
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« Reply #281 on: June 21, 2005, 10:35:53 AM »

Not sure if anyone read or if it was posted--but what the hell is this story about now...  I found it on http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_2.html

I have also heard that some have said the boys have changed their statement yet, again - suggesting that Natalee was left alone at the beach after becoming hysterical at the beach near the Marriot. If true, this version of a statement suggests that the elder Kalpoe, Deepak, dropped off both Joran and Satish before returning to the beach, where he was reportedly unable to find Natalee Holloway.

As this clearly departs from statements attributed to the Paulus Van der Sloot that he picked up Joran at a McDonalds at approximately 3 AM, it apears that so many statements have either come out, or are alleged to have come out of this case, that not a single one can be relied upon as true, or even confirmed at this time.

Update: Forgot to mention that it was also relayed to me that Joran v d Sloot would not join the two Kalpoe brothers at the prison, but would remain where he is being held. When I asked if that was because of his status as a minor, there was no clear answer. It was suggested that it could be that, or that it was so his questioning could be continued.


THEN I saw this post in response to the above:

Someone from Aruba reported the McDonald's closes at 1 am !!!
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« Reply #282 on: June 21, 2005, 10:36:26 AM »

Just a bit of info about the search group going from Texas. They were not HIRED by the NH family. This is a volunteer nonprofit organization that is funded solely by dontations. A request came from NH's uncle to the group for help.

 Not only do they have mounted search teams, they also have teams for foot searches, water, air and 4x4 searches. They have been quite successful in water recoveries. I believe that they have made something like 38 recoveries from water in the last 4 years.  They have been involved in other international searches so I wouldn't expect any "international incidents" to arise in Aruba.
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« Reply #283 on: June 21, 2005, 10:36:27 AM »

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DJ faces same accusation as the other 3, 2 counts of murder and 1 count of kidnapping leading to murder


Im confused?? '2' counts of murder??  Yikes


Was on the bottom of the tv on the scroll feed on CNN


Well, there WAS a decapitation recently in Aruba.  I think that is kinda "coincidental" for a nation who has a relatively low crime rate.  It is highly possible all this is connected.
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« Reply #284 on: June 21, 2005, 10:37:45 AM »

Bravo, Goonsquad.

I also found iquitos comments in poor taste. "Alabama posse." was uncalled for. I just pray that you are never put into that position, where you have to track down the prime suspects on your own.

The "Gringo" comment was also uncalled for. The fact that the United States has graced Aruba with the majority of their tourist trade should be the cause for gratitude, rather than calling us Gringos.
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« Reply #285 on: June 21, 2005, 10:38:05 AM »

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Just a bit of info about the search group going from Texas. They were not HIRED by the NH family. This is a volunteer nonprofit organization that is funded solely by dontations. A request came from NH's uncle to the group for help.

 Not only do they have mounted search teams, they also have teams for foot searches, water, air and 4x4 searches. They have been quite successful in water recoveries. I believe that they have made something like 38 recoveries from water in the last 4 years.  They have been involved in other international searches so I wouldn't expect any "international incidents" to arise in Aruba.


thanks so much for that information!
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« Reply #286 on: June 21, 2005, 10:40:07 AM »

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I have finally got up to date on the overnight posts. I was seaching for comments on the report of Greta van Susteren, especially her interview with Beth Twitty.

These interviews with Beth Twitty are important sources of information, and we should listen carefully to WHAT IS SAID as well as to WHAT IS NOT SAID. A lot of you missed some REALLY important information.

First, Beth Twitty mentioned that they had hired an Aruban lawyer to explore EVERY LEGAL AVENUE to get resolution to this case. That includes filing motions to gain access to information, and might have implied that that might also include civil suits agains the defendants, in the even that the criminal justice system turns into a clusterf**k.

Second, Beth Twitty made it clear that SHE WAS NOT LEAVING THE ISLAND until she gains some resolution to the case. Listen up you Aruban authorities. This is no longer a woman making demands. This is a woman making a PROMISE. This is a BIG development, folks, and one that the Aruban authorities are apparently taking seriously. I noticed a dramatic change in the attitude of Aruban spokesman Reuben Trappenberg in this interview, and I speculate that he takes has finally come to the conclusion that he needs to take this lady seriously.

Third, Greta has been successful in developing rapport with many different sources, including spokesmen Gomez and Trappenberg, and was able to ask many procedural questions, dealing with the Aruban legal system and get straight answers.

Fourth, Greta had cameramen ALL OVER THE ISLAND.

Fifth, Greta asked Beth Twitty, at the conclusion of her interview, "What can I do, to help?" This was a personal question, and went beyond anything Greta has ever asked any other interviewee. My take on this is that Greta has chosen to fight this thing to the finish. Given her legal background, it is a project for which she is uniquely qualified. Perhaps it is the cause of a lifetime. Tough questions will certainly come later, but Greta has established rapport and has established her credentials with the Aruban legal authorities, so they will never be able to come back and act condescending later. My take is that GRETA IS THERE FOR THE DURATION of this case.


You are right on with your comments. I  believe that if Beth H does not push, and had not pushed, this would have been swept under the rug.


You can also read Greta view of Aruba posted at the 1 st page here on this website.  She actually appear to like Aruba, and if you listen to the comments of Reuben, there is a separation of Government and the Judicial.  Same here in the United States.  The amount of Police work started the day of dissapearence, starting from the beach patrol gathering information.   I take offense when someone spouts out that is or that is a clusterf**k.  Do I need to show examples right here in the US?  Do you think the DEA and FBI is not playing a part? Do you not think that there is a working relationship already?  Do you even remember that the FBI told Beth Holloway not to give too much new releases??  The last time I saw the FBI stood for FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION. (OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)
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« Reply #287 on: June 21, 2005, 10:41:52 AM »

iquitos, thanks for the amigoe article that makes the 2 murder counts more understandable.
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« Reply #288 on: June 21, 2005, 10:42:06 AM »

Some interesting information regarding Aruba and Jossy Mansur (from the newspaper) and his family.  I've been to Aruba and I love Aruba, but the more I read about it, the more I start to wonder what really goes on there.  Some very early posts on this board said something about this going right to the top of Aruba government and "things would change" after this case was closed.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

http://www.public-i.org/report.aspx?aid=355&sid=100

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

http://www.tobacco.org/articles/country/aruba/

I'm from Chicago, and I know how our local government works, so I guess it doesn't surprise me how politics and business can get out of hand without too many people noticing.  Its more about "who you know" than doing the right thing.
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« Reply #289 on: June 21, 2005, 10:43:44 AM »

If you search on the internet without filters you will find some very seedy posts talking about finding women or prostitutes in Aruba.  Maybe the internet cafe is also used to find information for things like that anonymously.

If you can send email anonymously, write this man and see if he has any information.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/

If you are in Aruba, read this and see if these bars still exist and if the prostitutes in there saw Natalee or heard of her where abouts.  She may have been hidden in one of their houses for prostitutes or drug addicts.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/aruba_general.htm
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« Reply #290 on: June 21, 2005, 10:47:05 AM »

Check this page for info from State Dept...

http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2005/46616.htm
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« Reply #291 on: June 21, 2005, 10:50:11 AM »

for the record iquitos is not an aruban by a long shot.  don't want to besmirch their good reputation by association.  In the past for those who actually read here,  have quoted from the Alabama press one of the Alabama delegation that night in describing their get together with Joran on his doorstep, as saying "we basically interogated him."   (For like two hours).   He said it, i didn't.  Dan reported early on that there was a confrontation that had to be broken up by police.  These are just insights.  If the v/d sloots were not cooperative, the Twittys have a beef.  But there always two points of view and we don't know the other one.   mr v/d sloot is silenced and it looks like they have both chosen silence.  they would probably not come off very well on American TV anyway.  They have a right to defend their kid too and it may have been to late to save Natalee by then anyway, especially if they knew what happened to her.
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« Reply #292 on: June 21, 2005, 10:52:09 AM »

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If you search on the internet without filters you will find some very seedy posts talking about finding women or prostitutes in Aruba.  Maybe the internet cafe is also used to find information for things like that anonymously.

If you can send email anonymously, write this man and see if he has any information.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/

If you are in Aruba, read this and see if these bars still exist and if the prostitutes in there saw Natalee or heard of her where abouts.  She may have been hidden in one of their houses for prostitutes or drug addicts.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/aruba_general.htm


I checked it out. Oh my. Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #293 on: June 21, 2005, 10:52:15 AM »

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If you search on the internet without filters you will find some very seedy posts talking about finding women or prostitutes in Aruba.  Maybe the internet cafe is also used to find information for things like that anonymously.

If you can send email anonymously, write this man and see if he has any information.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/

If you are in Aruba, read this and see if these bars still exist and if the prostitutes in there saw Natalee or heard of her where abouts.  She may have been hidden in one of their houses for prostitutes or drug addicts.
http://www.firsthooker.com/wsg/aruba_general.htm

Ok I clicked otn he 2nd link: the bars dont exist anymore! rthis must be VERY VERYold!
whre "sherrs" cafe use dto is behignd the c&C isnow but more onthemain road...nwo theires TANTRA nightclub, and UNDER tantra is wehre the CEllar USED to be
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« Reply #294 on: June 21, 2005, 10:53:23 AM »

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Some interesting information regarding Aruba and Jossy Mansur (from the newspaper) and his family.  I've been to Aruba and I love Aruba, but the more I read about it, the more I start to wonder what really goes on there.  Some very early posts on this board said something about this going right to the top of Aruba government and "things would change" after this case was closed.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

http://www.public-i.org/report.aspx?aid=355&sid=100

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

http://www.tobacco.org/articles/country/aruba/

I'm from Chicago, and I know how our local government works, so I guess it doesn't surprise me how politics and business can get out of hand without too many people noticing.  Its more about "who you know" than doing the right thing.


THANKS for the links and Hello to another fellow Chicagoan!!!
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« Reply #295 on: June 21, 2005, 10:54:15 AM »

professor, also stated in that interview , was BHT saying , "I look forward to talking to you (Greta), about some of this"..they appear to be having private conversations behind the scenes..i dont recall greta giving her "insight" to past families, just getting the facts out.. your thoughts?
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« Reply #296 on: June 21, 2005, 10:55:04 AM »

I know this has already been answered b/c I saw the question on the board last night but I'm afraid I fell asleep before someone answered it and can't find it through a search

What does cream and wires mean? is that a polygraph?
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« Reply #297 on: June 21, 2005, 10:55:47 AM »

Quote from: "Chicago_510"
Some interesting information regarding Aruba and Jossy Mansur (from the newspaper) and his family.  I've been to Aruba and I love Aruba, but the more I read about it, the more I start to wonder what really goes on there.  Some very early posts on this board said something about this going right to the top of Aruba government and "things would change" after this case was closed.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

http://www.public-i.org/report.aspx?aid=355&sid=100

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

http://www.tobacco.org/articles/country/aruba/

I'm from Chicago, and I know how our local government works, so I guess it doesn't surprise me how politics and business can get out of hand without too many people noticing.  Its more about "who you know" than doing the right thing.


These souces claim that Aruba's primary industry is not tourism, but money laundering for South American drug cartels. So, it appears that a tourist boycott of the island really wouldn't have that much of an effect, in the event that one is called for, except that tourism might provide the activity -- in places like the casinos and clubs -- that would make money laundering possible.

Hey, I'm just going by these documented sources.
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« Reply #298 on: June 21, 2005, 10:57:29 AM »

REMINDER:    If someone is offended easily, perhaps an open discussion board is not for them.

Let's take each persons post for what it is, their opinion.  It doesn't mean you have to like it, or agree with it.    If someone can really bother you by posting on a bulletin board, perhaps you should step back... take a breather and reflect on all that is good in your life.

Back to work for me...   Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #299 on: June 21, 2005, 10:58:40 AM »

money laundering is big business all over the world and the drug cartels "learned" it from other businesses. insurance being a prime example.
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