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« Reply #600 on: June 21, 2005, 01:29:46 PM »

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thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.
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« Reply #601 on: June 21, 2005, 01:31:00 PM »

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OBVIOUSLY APPARENT AND CANNOT BE DISPUTED!!!!!!

Several people from Aruba keep posting in here day in and day out; this is despite the fact that sometimes they get blasted in here.
IMO, this is sooooooooo UNFAIR!
They obviously care, otherwise, they would not have returned after the first time they were beat up.
I'm personally taking this to mean that Aruba DOES CARE and DOES WANT to help.
Please be respectful to them. They deserve it. They translate news for us, and they make themselves available at all hours of the day and night to try and help.
How selfless and caring.
Thank you, Friends from Aruba!!!!!!!


I agree--a HUGE ((Hugs)) THANKS to our info givers from Aruba and the MBHS people who give us the inside too!!!!  Without a lot of this info given--we would all be basing things off of CNN, Fox--hours after it is released!


Jac You are so correct! We are ahead of the curve due to everyones contributions.

Sorry Red and I have not been around much today, we have been in discussions regarding how to design the site so it can cover this story even better, and then potentially provide this service for other families and stories.

It is not easy, as we need to be both pragmatic and altruistic. But we are coming to some conclusions.

We will keep you informed as we go along

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« Reply #602 on: June 21, 2005, 01:31:06 PM »

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you do wonder why the case of the missing Boy Scout gets 5 minutes and this case gets 55 minutes on Fox........


I think Natalee gets more press because: of

1) An exotic location
2) A beautiful girl
3) A socially well-connected protaganist, and 3 "friends"
4) Numerous theories involving international slave trade, date rape drugs, dee jays, party boats, casinos, beach resorts, etc.
5) time, the story has had more time to develop
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« Reply #603 on: June 21, 2005, 01:31:09 PM »

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They should just give the boys truth serum.


Do they do that in the United States?
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« Reply #604 on: June 21, 2005, 01:31:34 PM »

Texassf...
So sorry to hear about your child.  As a mother, anything negative dealing with children rips my hurt.  I am sorry...
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« Reply #605 on: June 21, 2005, 01:32:04 PM »

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Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....


im sorry to sound harsh Rob but...these are the questions he/she would ask.....mayeb she has motive for this....they are NTO the questions being really asked! i mean comeon being a player doesnt mean you can NEVER fall inlove doesit?? because then my brothers got real problems w/  his wife being the wild boy he is!
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« Reply #606 on: June 21, 2005, 01:32:16 PM »

WHAT WOULD YOU ASK ROB , BARING IN MIND THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF NOT TELLING THE TRUTH , WHAT WOULD YOU ASK TO GET CLUES ?

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Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....
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« Reply #607 on: June 21, 2005, 01:32:38 PM »

Texas,

My heart breaks at hearing your story.  All this must bring it back fresh.  I am so, so very sad to hear what you've gone through.

::hug::

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« Reply #608 on: June 21, 2005, 01:32:57 PM »

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They should just give the boys truth serum.


is truth serum legal in aruba????
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« Reply #609 on: June 21, 2005, 01:33:00 PM »

WE HERE HAVE DEVELOPED QUITE A BIT OF INFO ON THE BROTHERS AND GRETA VAN SUSTERN OF FOX WAS AT THEIR HOUSE AND DEEPAKS PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT YESTERDAY TELLING ALL ABOUT THEM.  I THINK THEY ARE NOT SO INTERESTING AS THE ODD DUTCH PUBLIC PROSECUTOR AND HIS CARD SHARP SON WHO HAVE NOW BEEN DEMONIZED BY THE TWITTYS WHO HATE THEM[/quote]

I think the word hate is harsh.  We do not know that they hate anyone.  They seem to be extremely frustrated.  Not knowing what happened to their daughter and assuming that the VDS have information that they are not sharing with them makes this a difficult situation.
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« Reply #610 on: June 21, 2005, 01:33:03 PM »

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Special device is a voice analyser, not a polygraph.  This equipment is as sophisticated as the poly,  Detective believes she is alive but not on the island, and would like to question father, stepfather, mother..etc..


measures stress levels, correct?


Where did you hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I can't take any more false info that holds hope then gets knocked right down hahha Crying or Very sad


i did nt say that they were conducting a voice analyser test, i asked if the machine measures stree in the voice.....


This was on Top95.1 Aruba radio, and Elio 's Nicolaas opinion.  I believe he was a cop, detective, ex minister of aruba.

i was responding to comanzani's comment rob...sorry should haev specified..just wondering where he heard that they think she is alive and why they think this
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« Reply #611 on: June 21, 2005, 01:33:26 PM »

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thank you for the info. i guess if natalee did indeed use her aol acct. there would mostly be an ip address, although i have a floating address..so maybe not..


Rob,

All IP addresses are trackable if you are the FBI.  Its easy to see which ISP ownes the IP address and a request from the FBI would be enough for AOL to check there logs and see what account logged on.


then my guess is it did nt pan out...

Honey, I am sorry but you are misinformed about the FBI being able to track ALL IP adresses unless you are speaking of "in the US".  Many countries do not have the FCC rules, regulations and laws in place to do this. I recently talked to the FBI about a "Nigerian scam" and they are not able to handle this type of problem. Actually the Secret Service is handling the international internet affairs. In these international internet cafes you really are "anonymous", this is why it so difficult to track these people  . Sad.... but true.


i have program on my computer  that idenifies a threat and locates its origin, anywhere in the world, many come from china, but i ve gotten them from all over the world.. most like they have been relayed... then i return a nice little care package to em.. free of charge....
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« Reply #612 on: June 21, 2005, 01:33:55 PM »

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Wasn't me that said it.  (Dash's mom -- arbeej on TA)  Seems I saw it on another post somewhere but it was news to me.

Dash doesn't know the roommates' account of events.  As stated before, Natalee could have been assumed to be staying in a friend's room (as many did) or staying up all night (as many did, some by the pool, some elsewhere).  Any one or all of the roommates might also have stayed up all night elsewhere.  Or any or all of them could have fallen asleep & hence wouldn't have known what time or if Natalee had come by the room at some point.  Of all the suggestions I've heard on message boards, *nobody* has considered that they might have been asleep!  Isn't that the first thing one would assume?

The roommates are still in an understandable state of shock.  I certainly wouldn't be able to speak to the press -- or anyone, for that matter -- in those circumstances.  And the FBI might very well have forbidden them to speak at this point.

So, anybody else heard that rumor about kids waiting in the lobby for her?  Or know the origin?  It may well be true, but I'm not the source and I don't know.  Dash was by the pool with 10-15-20 others, though.

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I do not believe that anyone sat in the lobby all night to track who in the MB group was in and not in which has been implied. If you have ever been to the HI, you can't see the driveway from the pool area.


jac, you are right.  i have a now 24 yo nephew who was arrested for trafficking cocaine.  if you looked at him, you would not think him a "druggie", he's nice, clean cut, has manners etc., but he did it for the $$$.   it was an easy way for him to make some money and live a nice lifestyle while in college.


and CM, it has been said that some of the MBHS crew waited until 5:00 a.m. in the lobby for Natalee, and she did not show.


Where'd ya here that?


i can't verify at this moment, but i think i read it on the TA post that was posted by someone's mother?  dash's maybe?  i don't remember.  i've read so much, and i do specifically remember reading that information on a post somewhere by someone's parent.  i do apologize for being so vague, but i just don't remember where i read it.  is that a false report?  i humbly apologize if it is.


I was just curious because I haven't heard that from any of my friends. THere were a lot of people at the pool, but they weren't waiting on her, or anything.


arlee if you look back on that same page, page 22 i believe, i found where i read that people stayed in the lobby until 5:00 a.m.  it was in a birmingham, alabama online news article that stated that as fact.
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« Reply #613 on: June 21, 2005, 01:34:26 PM »

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I have grave reservations about them hiring an attorney to sue the government for release of information. I know they are desperate for any kind of knowledge pretaining to their daughter,but I fear that their actions may jeopordize the case that the police are building.


I think someone clarified a couple pages back that they are NOT sueing anyone!  They hired an attorney to file a claim to obtain information on evidence gathered, or something to that effect.

I think that is semantics.  The concern is that they might act on information or disclose information that jeopardizes the case.
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« Reply #614 on: June 21, 2005, 01:34:54 PM »

Texas,

My heart breaks at hearing your story.  All this must bring it back fresh.  I am so, so very sad to hear what you've gone through.

::hug::

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« Reply #615 on: June 21, 2005, 01:35:14 PM »

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Bendex..  what 3 questions would YOU yourself ask?


IDO NOT KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT . THAT IS WHY I ASK YOUR OPINIONS. I THINK I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE IF THERE IS.

1. WHERE DID YOU MEET NATALEE
2. DID YOU LOVE HER ?
3. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN TIME WHAT WOULD CHANGE ?


love? ...hes a playboy, playa, pimp wanna be... this you know....


im sorry to sound harsh Rob but...these are the questions he/she would ask.....mayeb she has motive for this....they are NTO the questions being really asked! i mean comeon being a player doesnt mean you can NEVER fall inlove doesit?? because then my brothers got real problems w/  his wife being the wild boy he is!


ok i ll go along... falls in love in 2 days... i dont know...more like lust....
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« Reply #616 on: June 21, 2005, 01:35:33 PM »

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The first question to "Jug" would be is Papa Van der Sloot a slimball--------


First of all, let there be no doubt that the family of Natalee Holloway would gladly submit to polygraphic questioning. Got that?

And second, Jug Twitty would say Papa van der Sloot is an obnoxious slimeball, and the NEEDLE WOULD NOT BUDGE.
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« Reply #617 on: June 21, 2005, 01:36:11 PM »

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They should just give the boys truth serum.


is truth serum legal in aruba????


I saw it on Meet The fo**ers....thought it was interesting.  Laughing
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« Reply #618 on: June 21, 2005, 01:36:39 PM »

-I THINK RADIO FM95.1 REPORTED THAT IT IS BEING SAID JORAN UNDERWENT A LIE DETECTOR TEST.  THEY DID NOT CONFIRM THIS.  THEY USED IT AS A LEAD IN TO THEIR DISCOUSSION OF AMERICAN ARROGANCE.  

-THIS  RETIRED COP ELIO IS STILL ON THE RADIO AND IS A VERY ARTICULATE ANS SENSIBLE PERSON.  TOO BAD FOX DID NOT HAVE TIME TO TALK TO HIM  LISTEN TO THE ARUBANS,  THEY KNOW THEIR ISLAND AND THEY ARE SERIOUS PEOPLE.  LET THEW DO WHAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO.  IF THEY CAN SOLVE THE CASE, THEY WILL.  

-IT IS NOT EASY TO TRANSCRIBE A RADIO BROADCAST LIVE FROM A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO ENGLISH.  AMERICANINARUBA HAVE TRIED.  YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUR WORD FOR WHAT IS BEING SAID ALTHOUGH I ADMIT I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PACE OF THE DISCUSSION.  I HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT THE ARUBANS NEED TO CRANK UP SOME ENGLISH MEDIUM TO GET THEIR STORY OUT SINCE THEY CAN'T SEEM TO GET REAL FACE TIME WITH THE MSM

-THEY HAVE A REAL PROBLEM ESTABLISHING THEIR OWN CREDIBILITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO GET THEIR STORY OUR.  THEY ARE BURIED.  

THIS GUY ELIO IS VERY PERCEPTIVE.  HE IS TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN WAY OF THINKING.  THERE IS A CULTURE CLASH.  FBI HAS CUSTOM OF SUPPORTING FOREIGN COUNTRIES, NOT OF TAKING OVER.  

IM JUST GOING TO LISTEN AND NOT REPORT.  THAT WAY AT LEAST I WILL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
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« Reply #619 on: June 21, 2005, 01:36:40 PM »

TexasSugarFoot...thank you for being so open and honest and giving us your story. I cannot imagine the emptiness you must feel in your heart. I think for all who question whether Mrs. Holloway has done things the "right" way, reading your story will at least help us all to see that there is no RIGHT way or WRONG way. There is only YOUR way when faced with that situation. After all, life does not come with a book of etiquette telling a family how to react to a tragedy.
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