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« Reply #720 on: June 21, 2005, 02:07:47 PM »

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Texas EquuSearch isn't taking any horses--just the side-scan sonar and 3 cadaver dogs, plus 17 people.  They plan to leave tonight to go to Aruba and stay 5 days.


I don't know if this has been posted yet or not...if it has please forgive the post.....The family did not hire ES...they are a volunteer organization comprised of retired law enforcement (mainly) persons who volunteer their time.....they are bringing in the 'best of the best' not just from TX....they are a very poresssional group of caring people.....ES is funded by donations only.....last I heard on Fox they were having problems getting a commercial flight to handle not only the equipment, but the dogs...who MUST fly in the passenger area.  there was no mention of horses....seriously doubt they would be utilized.....a lot of the equipment they are bringing will be for water searches..... A charter plane R/T for persons, dogs and equipmet is approx  75K...they need help...if anyone has any connections to a private  flight or wishes to make a donation please contact ES...

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Bring Natalee Home


I have been in touch with them about corporate planes I know of that are at Hobby--hope they find an angel.


I have contacted a few people that might be able to help too...Thanks
Bring Natalee Home
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« Reply #721 on: June 21, 2005, 02:08:25 PM »

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TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


AIA, you still haven't answered my question. What was your purpose in asking a mother of a lost child how much media coverage she got? Was it to make a case that this case is getting more coverage than HER case got? And what if this case IS getting more media coverage? What then? Would that be an incriminating thing? Wouldn't you want EVERY case to get the kind of coverage this one is getting? Or, are you making the case that it's time to pack this one in, and go back to business as usual. Just asking.


Woah, Professor...man take a chill PILL!

She asked a question, don't put words in her mouth and try to stir some drama.
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« Reply #722 on: June 21, 2005, 02:08:32 PM »

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question.....

this radio station...is it true that one of the suspects or one of the guys questioned is a nephew of somebody at the station???  

also, this guy, "pantyboy", does he work for the radio station?

Thanks to whomever can answer...  Smile


i located a pic of panty boy and satish in a party scene...


Can you post it?
Rob, I located that pic a week ago...but it was dismissed....been there done that...but I still believe it is him...therefore...I have some reservations about TOP95...no offense to anybody...just my personal observation


waiting<---good source....has their own gun and handcuffs too  Very Happy
TRUE DAT MY GHETTO FABULOUS SISTAH!  Laughing
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« Reply #723 on: June 21, 2005, 02:09:08 PM »

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serously ppl, how much responsilbilty would you accept with a group of 140 "adults"?... i wouldnt go if they said i was responsible....i was 18 once i know.....


NO SHIT ROB!!!!!

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« Reply #724 on: June 21, 2005, 02:10:08 PM »

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TexasSugarfoot i am very sorry to hear you ahd to go through something like that...but i would like to ask you a question and you can hate me forever and not answer but i have to try......did you get half the attention this case is getting??and dothey have ANY idea waht happend to your child?


I hate to answer your question because my experience was long ago. Missing child cases weren't given the media coverage they are today. There were not established search groups and media exposure that we see now. But to answer your question, no, our case was given very little attention. Every missing child is important and I'm not sure why some grab attention and others go pretty much unnoticed. My heart goes out to the parents everytime I see a notice of a missing child. You can not imagine the torture unless you have lived it.

For those that asked, my child was found after four months.  I thank you for your comments and concerns.


AIA, you still haven't answered my question. What was your purpose in asking a mother of a lost child how much media coverage she got? Was it to make a case that this case is getting more coverage than HER case got? And what if this case IS getting more media coverage? What then? Would that be an incriminating thing? Wouldn't you want EVERY case to get the kind of coverage this one is getting? Or, are you making the case that it's time to pack this one in, and go back to business as usual. Just asking.


Woah, Professor...man take a chill PILL!

She asked a question, don't put words in her mouth and try to stir some drama.


Just trying to clarify.
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« Reply #725 on: June 21, 2005, 02:10:34 PM »

Did anybody just hear the Fox report about the suing?
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« Reply #726 on: June 21, 2005, 02:10:35 PM »

BTW not sure is this was stated, I know for a fact no one but the FBI armed with some great search warrants could find out from AOL if Natalee signed on.

Can we let that rest in peace now?

 Very Happy  I think I am grumpy today lol
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« Reply #727 on: June 21, 2005, 02:10:41 PM »

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...  The Twittys arrived to find little had happened on the ground since it was noticed that Natalee was gone and they had to get the ball rolling immediately and they did.  Did you see the comment off the Scared Monkey main board I posted earlier form another LE person?  I am just observing that the effort may have gone too far and that is too bad.  The worst part is that even their effort was not enough to jump start the investigation  This is common in my experience overseas handling these cases.  Missing persons is a low priority until it is obvious that something bad has happened.   An island that depends on tourism sees lots of people go temporarily missing but to not take each one dead seriously is at their peril as this case has illustrated.


Very good post. You have to look at both sides here. We have the benefit of hindsight, of course, and we know something bad has happened. But at the time, to the Aruban LE, it was another dime-a-dozen missing girl. They can't call the FBI for every one of them, because usually it's a false alarm.

My brother works as a ski patrol and avalanche rescue guy. Kids (and others) are always getting lost on the mountain, and mothers freak out, and usually (99% of the time) it's nothing. But in an alpine environment, you can't wait. You have to check. You have to find them before dark. It's frustrating, though, for the patrollers because they spend (waste) a lot of time on situations that aren't dangerous. I'm sure this is how the Arubans felt initially.

Natalee's family, of course, knows that she wouldn't have missed the plane. The two groups weren't on the same page, and thus you end up with Natalee's family interrogating the VDSs, which compromised a criminal investigation (not faulting them, because the investigation hadn't started yet) and tipped off the VDSs. I think some of the Holloways' defensiveness and irritability is attributable to some guilt over this. (Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have gone there looking for her. It was a no-win situation.)

THe police obviously screwed this one up, because they probably still didn't think it was going to turn into a criminal investigation. With hindsight, I'm sure LE wouldn't have let the Holloways take this into their own hands.


thanks for the comment pinto.  i once bird dogged a case like this in argentina.  a local kid came into the embassy to report that an American  friend who was hitching around south america had not arrived in Buenos Aires as scheduled.  I kind of blew him off with the maybe she changed her mind and did not let you know,  He retorted very earnestly that she was not that way.  I took him seriously, ran her picture and a note in the local press, and somebody called the next day to report seeing a morgue shot of her in a newspaper.  she had been abducted, beaten, tied up, and left to drown at the beach.  Father came down and we tried to build a fire under the cops and trace leads but we could not get anybody to focus.  this was in the late '80's  I learned never to blow off a missing person report or let the local copes do it either.


I understand your point but as a mother I worry about everyone's kids and get very emotional about it. That is one time I could take a person out and not think twice about it.  Sorry for being so blunt!
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« Reply #728 on: June 21, 2005, 02:11:04 PM »

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serously ppl, how much responsilbilty would you accept with a group of 140 "adults"?... i wouldnt go if they said i was responsible....i was 18 once i know.....


Maybe that is why there were so few "travel facilitators" on the trip.  And why did less than half of the senior class travel.  Other parents had misgivings?
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« Reply #729 on: June 21, 2005, 02:11:50 PM »

YOU BEST NOT BE MAD DAWGING ME...I'LL BUST YOU UP!!!

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« Reply #730 on: June 21, 2005, 02:12:31 PM »

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well accordign to word onteh street...they get very deffensive when they even talk about "testing" the aprents so I really dont know what else to think i have NO idea whats going on here...but one thign I believe she is alive! Hope and pray that shes alive andsafe!


Word on the street?  I think too much credence is being given in this forum to "word on the street".  It's no more than second, third, fourth-hand rumor and speculation that may in fact have no basis in fact.


The "word on the street" might be credible, if it had something to do with Joran or his family, but the people on the street have no contact with the Holloway family.

But let's not jump on arubagirl. The word on the street tells us a whole lot about the island mentality. It tells us that there is no shame for the mishandling of this case, or the fact that a family may end up without closure. Only rage that the reputation of the island may come under a cloud. That tells us VOLUMES about the island mentality.


well then since what is saidheremeans nothgin and its all worthless ebcuae you wontbelieve it unless it comes from an american (which I am proud to say I am, except inthese situations) maybe thenif you are so perfect and only you can do everything the correct way tehn maybe you should sit here and do everythign and screw the FBi thats here because there not doign anything either there just here onvacation because they havent said anythign and mayeb since you are so good go ahead and translate news yourself! oh no but wait you dont need the news here because everything said here is bul crap and worthless so go ahead and listen to fox & cnn dont even bother to come onthis site eiter!



WOW!!!  I am glad you got that off your chest!!!
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« Reply #731 on: June 21, 2005, 02:12:35 PM »

Sad   Ok maybe some maybe this theory has already covered, I would still like to have the infor confirmed or denied -- anyone -- please?!
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« Reply #732 on: June 21, 2005, 02:12:36 PM »

Itawamba-

I was a F/A for Mobil Oil (now ExxonMobil) we did a few charity flights. If the dogs are crated I don't see a problem with them being on a G-4 or G-5. I don't know a soul there anymore but those corporations might just do it.
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« Reply #733 on: June 21, 2005, 02:12:48 PM »

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ROFLMAO Kerin can always get me laughing!

Props to u nucka lol
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« Reply #734 on: June 21, 2005, 02:12:58 PM »

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http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


anybody?
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« Reply #735 on: June 21, 2005, 02:13:11 PM »

Itawamba-

I was a F/A for Mobil Oil (now ExxonMobil) we did a few charity flights. If the dogs are crated I don't see a problem with them being on a G-4 or G-5. I don't know a soul there anymore but those corporations might just do it.
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« Reply #736 on: June 21, 2005, 02:13:59 PM »

Today I have a very strong feeling that the house of cards built by the boys is about to fall.

Just a feeling.



The Arubans on this forum are wonderful.  We also need to remember that none of the three primary suspects (at this time at least) are native Arubans.

Blaming the Arubans makes about as much sense as blaming the people who lived in Oklahoma City for the bombing of the federal building.

That said, blaming  Nat's family is also not right.   Filing a lawsuit to try to get evidence (what they said they were doing) is just not the same things as "suing".    At least the way we use the language.  

If nothing else we have leaned how different the legal systems are.  Wow, throwing out a case because the public knows what is going on.  In this country no one could ever be convicted that way.

Many cases even have cameras in the courtroom.


Whatever bad happened, it is ONLY the fault of the people that did it.
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« Reply #737 on: June 21, 2005, 02:14:29 PM »

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http://wzzk.com/event_guide/nataleehollowaybracelets.html

Has anyone seen these yet?  I'm interested in getting one!


anybody?


Thanks for the link....I'm getting one.
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« Reply #738 on: June 21, 2005, 02:14:35 PM »

I say John Travolta needs to fly his huge plane there and take us all.  Wink
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« Reply #739 on: June 21, 2005, 02:14:59 PM »

Hey Cali...props to your "plan", Dawg!
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