RBN # 15 - 6/21/05

[absolut]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

This is not a slam, but this interview comes after 3 almost 4 weeks of total frustration. It's tone and accuracy may be more a reflection of that.

[Another K in Texas]

From the first the family said that Joran took them to the Holiday Inn and showed them where he dropped of Natalee.

Or at least that is what I remember.  The mom said she had no conversatons with the father, but let her husband do the talking.

I don't think what she described with Joran is even a conversation, more of a confrontation.

I can tell you right now if MY daughter, and she is 28 not 18, turned up missing, and the guy she was last with was not helping me hunt her, then they could just arrest me, cause this old lady, at nearly 60, would be kicking the family jewels, pulling hair, biting, scratching, doing anyting else to him.  In fact, like the song says, the lights would go out in Georgia, they better hope I don't have a gun cause I would not miss.

I have told people my entire life that I am incapable of murder except in one situation.  My kids.  If anyone, and I mean anyone, hurt my kids, or is trying to hurt my kids, I would kill first and ask questions later.


I don't understand the tendency of people to blame Beth.

I guess the cultures are more different than I thought because American moms firght like tigers for our kids.

[friend of monkeys]

rob can i get some coffee pleeeezzeee!
u guyz go way 2 fst 4 me....

this coffee is from trinidad....

is that better than colombian????LOLFMOMIOMO!!!

[BlueKyGirl]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

Maybe like they said before she was in a VERY emotional state, liek any mother w/a lsot child, and she "attacked" joran for info and Joran just hit his chest and said that...maybe she accused him of somethign I dont see it as scary I jsut see it as someone being defensive...I do it al the time like when we loose soemthing at home and ofcourse eferyone asks me (the motehr) I put my hand to my chest and be like "ME???I never used that! you should know where you put it!" I thiknk its just a manner of speaking ....and the dutch have a way jsut like the italians they almost "talk" with their hands

Thanks--I wondered if it was a Dutch mannerism. I can see the scenario where Joran and his family felt defensive since Natalee's family showed up at their house in the middle of the night. I think Joren is guilty as sin, but I sort of feel sorry for him. I think he somehow got in this way over his head. I'd like to think whatever happened with Natalee was a terrible mistake, instead of an intentional act of cruelty.

[Rob]

rob can i get some coffee pleeeezzeee!
u guyz go way 2 fst 4 me....

this coffee is from trinidad....

is that better than colombian????LOLFMOMIOMO!!!

 it pretty darn good....but oily...

[momto5]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

[Kelly]

I do not thinik that he was "bainging" his chest in a threatning way, as others have said i just think he is at the point of feelin worthless and backed in to a corner and doesnt know what to do..he is stuck and basically holding so much in that it is taking over him, he is really going to lose it soon

[Rob]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting

[iquitos]

newspapers

http://www.bondia.com/

pdf still Monday's paper (in papiamento).  They ran the suicide attempt story on page 2 yesterday.  today's paper still not up

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/index.html

html in papiaamento sometimes updates same day news (in papiamento)  cnn has interviewed owner, yossi mansour.  thse guys placed the car following story with FOX.  

http://www.amigoe.com/  

Seems to be most serious of the three.  published in Curacao has in dutch, has english section with partial news  Does regular updates on Natalee case when developments merit.  have is missed any?   see aruba faqs on index for more info

[americaninaruba]

LOLFMOMIOMO



WHAt is that??hahahaha

[GreatOwl]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

Now that may be a typical behavior of many children (the pounding of the chest)  a frustration because they have a guilt feeling about something and know it was wrong.  Many parents have seen that.  It could be why Beth knows that Joran is lying.

[Another K in Texas]

There is an in your face chest hit--I see it on rap videos and see some football players doing it.  He may not have meant it that way, but if that was the gesture, that is how Beth would have read it.

[momto5]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting

I agree, and I do think he is involved otherwise why all the lies? I was just saying that Ihave seen young guys do this before.

[BlueKyGirl]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting

I thought the same thing--if I were in the position to help a mother find her child, I would do anything I could to help. I think any innocent person would. And if any of these boys were innocent, they'd be cooperating fully with the investigators--and so would their families.

[mojo]

but english is not his native language.

[LilOrphan]

Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?

Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?

[americaninaruba]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting

well you cant say that either becuase we don know it what "manner" the mother spoke to him.....because maybe she "attacke" him and "accused"him rite then and there....again in the state the motehr was in, i think id JUMP   on him rite there and beat him to talk! (sorry)

[jagz2u]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting

You are right Rob, the three boys were last one's with Nat. They would be cooperating unless they are guilty in some way with this disappearance.  I do not blame Beth for ANY of her actions.  I hope she keeps up the pressure.  I am not sure how she is keeping from "showing her butt" even more than she is... think about it, you send your straight A loving daughter on vacation, and some mongrel hurts her.  The men involved with this abduction/murder/whatever need skinning alive.

[momto5]

I'd read the story about the Twittys going to the Van Der Sloot household on the boards yesterday; I also saw Beth Twitty's interview on Greta Van Sustern last night.

Didn't she say Joran hit his chest and said, "What do you want me to do?" I don't understand the significance of him hitting his chest. Who does that? It's definitely not a mannerism or a signal that I understand, but it sounds sort of scary.

It depends on the manner in which he did it. My son is 13 and when I accuse him of something he will pound his chest almost in saying he is sorry what can he do to fix it. Although since I wasnt there I cant say thats how Joran did it? I can see where it would be scary when you are questioning someone in a serious matter, and they may come off as violent. None of us KNOW this family or Jorans mannerism so I try hard not to pass any judgement. What we do know is he was allowed to go out to casinos and drink at night and was last seen with Natalee. Im  not defending him just trying to maintain an open mind.
Personally to me, if it was MY daughter the last thing he would have had to worry about was me asking anything. I am not sure if I felt he was responsible I wouldnt be the one sitting in an Aruban jail cell. One thing I tell most people is it is wise to NEVER mess with my kids. This is all just IMO anyway

an innocent person would say, "what can i do to help?" not "what do you want me to do about it".. sounds incrimaniting

well you cant say that either becuase we don know it what "manner" the mother spoke to him.....because maybe she "attacke" him and "accused"him rite then and there....again in the state the motehr was in, i think id JUMP   on him rite there and beat him to talk! (sorry)

Same here. If I thought he did something to one of my kids Im sorry I dont think I would be very polite.

[Rob]

Has anyone heard anything else along the lines of JVDS being seen having cream and wires applied to him?

Paula, the only place I read that was riehl. Interesting speculation going that it could be an EKG. With all the talk of polys not being used, could they really be allowing for one now?

exactly who would be in the postion to see such a thing?