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« Reply #880 on: June 21, 2005, 02:55:16 PM »

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Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OMG That is WONDERFUL NEWS.  Thanks so much for posting!!!
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« Reply #881 on: June 21, 2005, 02:55:29 PM »

Thank God.
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« Reply #882 on: June 21, 2005, 02:55:50 PM »

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What quote did Natalee have on her HS year book?

...The initial broadcast of Holloway family where they ask for Natalee to come back and resolve somekinda friction?


The quote was from Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird": "If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? For I must be travelin' on now. 'Cause there's too many places I've got to see."

What initial broadcast are you talking about? I sure don't remember hearing that at all.

My friend had a feeling she was not long for this world and had a quote similar lto that in our yearbook. She passed away that same year.
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« Reply #883 on: June 21, 2005, 02:55:51 PM »

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Does anyone really believe that there were only pictures of prom & graduation on it?  Would you tote a camera all the way to one of the most beautiful islands in the world and not take ANY pictures?

Just wondering......


whodunnit....
r u skeeered u r in one of the pictures????
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« Reply #884 on: June 21, 2005, 02:56:10 PM »

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Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!

Thank God! Very Happy
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« Reply #885 on: June 21, 2005, 02:56:15 PM »

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On Fox Now, but not saying dead or alive.


MSNBC.com says hes alive
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« Reply #886 on: June 21, 2005, 02:56:23 PM »

EXCERPT FROM MONTGOMERY PAPER JUNE 19: http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5familysearch19w.htm
"She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones.

Speaking in an interview with The Associated Press late Friday, Bearman said Aruban authorities weren't totally to blame for their early failure to identify van der Sloot and the others, something she said the amateur sleuths did in less than three hours in Aruba.
"They did not know what was going on," she said. "We were there on a mission."


Terrified after hearing news any parent dreads, Beth Holloway Twitty landed in Aruba about 12 hours after learning her daughter Natalee had vanished during a graduation trip.

Accompanied by her husband and friends including Bearman on a donated corporate jet, Holloway Twitty had a few bits of information from Mountain Brook graduates who were on the trip, most importantly a physical description of a Dutch teenager -- a judge's son, they thought -- with whom Natalee was seen leaving a bar, Carlos' N Charlies', on May 30, the night she disappeared.

Bearman said the group also was told that Holloway's friends had seen the same teenager in the casino at the hotel where they were staying.

With help from some locals, Holloway's mother and the others determined the youth had been in the casino playing in a Texas Hold 'Em poker tournament, according to Bearman.
Players had to sign in, she said, and that gave them a name and initial: Joran V.

"After talking to enough people, we were able to deduce that it was Joran van der Sloot," she said. "Once we got the name we were able to track the address through people and we got the police. They escorted us and we went straight to the house."

Van der Sloot's father, Aruban judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot, said his son was out playing poker when the group first arrived at the house about 1 a.m., Bearman said. Still accompanied by police, the group went to a couple of places looking for van der Sloot before returning to the father's house and finding Joran van der Sloot there with one of the two Surinamese brothers who later were held.

"Basically we interrogated him," Bearman said. "He never denied being with her."

Van der Sloot described dancing with Holloway at the bar and said "she wanted to go with me" at closing time, according to Bearman.

Van der Sloot claimed he left Holloway outside the Holiday Inn resort where the group was staying after they took a late-night trip to a scenic lighthouse, Bearman said, and he even accompanied the family to the hotel to show them the exact spot where she was dropped off.

His story didn't add up, though, according to Bearman.

"We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived," she said.

While Aruban police were present during the questioning of van der Sloot, which lasted until about 3 a.m., officers left the talking to Holloway's family until things began to get "heated," Bearman said.

Van der Sloot and the Surinamese brothers -- Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18 -- were interrogated by police the next day and released. While later taken into custody, no one has been charged. " END of EXCERPTS

#1. I think that she's just saying that kids were in the lobby and they would have seen Natalee if she had come in -- NOT tht they were waiting for her.

I agree with Iquitos that, however well-intentioned, this whole thing might have been handled badly by Americans from the start. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have done the samething.

My question and one that I bet you will see the Twitty's come back to after this is resolved in one way or another:

Not casting stones -- just curious...but it looks from this article and from other information put out that no one even went to the police until after the Twitty's got there and THEY obtained the background on Joran  -- not the Alabama group that was already there on the ground with a girl missing since 1:00 am. Could it be that they thought she indeed might be runaway case or fell asleep somewhere? I know hindsight is 20/20 but I tend to believe that we don't know the whole story behind the Alabam trip group version.

Maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't help wondering why didn't someone go to police or Embassy (if there is one) before the almost 24 hours when the Twitty's arrived.
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« Reply #887 on: June 21, 2005, 02:56:33 PM »

Great owl, i can't help but feel slightly insulted from your comment.  as a family member, i can testify to the media frenzy more than you could even imagine.  i have remained away from these sites because i have not felt the need to get involved publically with natalee's case because the issue is all too private.  my question still stands with those from mountain brook to send me a private message if they want to.  and if need be, i can verify any information about natalee for those who apparently think i am nothing but a "story seeker."  i've grown up with natalee, and i'm just a few years older than her; i can tell you everything about her.  however, (since i'm not trying to seek a story) i would like anyone who replies to send me a private message.
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« Reply #888 on: June 21, 2005, 02:56:36 PM »

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Quote from: "Y'alls Psychic Detective"
Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OMG!!!!!!
That's incredible!


thank God...... Laughing
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« Reply #889 on: June 21, 2005, 02:56:38 PM »

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OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!
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« Reply #890 on: June 21, 2005, 02:56:55 PM »

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I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


No contact before Aruba because of several factual reasons..

Joran asked for her email address and Kerin and I are covered in post-it notes with every single friend, webpage etc lol We sort of have a friend tree and suspect affliation webpage trail... lol

Natalee's mom also said she did not know them before.


Caligirl--I think I need to borrow some post it notes from u guys--I am on information overload with details-pics-webpages--holy crap.....  Thanks for answering--just a thought (1 out of 1,00000000000000000000000000)
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« Reply #891 on: June 21, 2005, 02:57:00 PM »

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Missing Boy Scout Brennan Hawkins found alive re CNN!!


OH MY GOD!  OH OH!  Oh I am crying.  Thank God!  What had happened to him?  Where did they find him?!

Oh I am so relieved!

(But I'm still heartbroken about the 12-year-old who went missing in the same area last year.  They interviewed his dad, tears rolling down his face.  Too, too hard to imagine.)
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« Reply #892 on: June 21, 2005, 02:57:03 PM »

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I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


I agree to a great extent. I, for one, do find some of the alternative theories to be quite intriguing, even if they are highly unlikely. Of course, there is another forum (Theory and Speculation) that was set up for those discussions. This one is supposedly for Rumors of Breaking News, but it has evolved into something very different. I don't post here very often because of that.
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« Reply #893 on: June 21, 2005, 02:57:24 PM »

Thank you for answering my questions, Hannie Smile

Iquitos, only the vd Sloots are Dutch nationals (carry Dutch passports, as far as I know, they are all born in the Netherlands)

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Questions and request for comments for our Aruban and Dutch friends - I hope this is not taken the wrong way - I would simply be intenrested in getting a feel for the 'soft' factors affecting this investigation.

- How would you see the working relationship between the Dutch investigators and the FBI?
we know that the FBI has absolutely no jurisdiction in Aruba, and the Aruban authorites, given their lack of experience and extreme media scrutiny, would presumably have handed the Dutch investigators a large role

- We have heard about the tensions between Arubans and Dutch nationals (common in many former colonies), would the Dutch investigators be looking after the interests of the Dutch nationals (the vdS's)?

My interest in this, is that we have 3 groups involved, to differing degrees, in this investigation.

The Arubans want to crack this case, but have virtually no experience with this type of case, and have limited resources for investigating this type of case - potential damage to their tourism (which employes 50% of the islanders), their image as the safest island in the Caribbean, etc.

The Dutch have one of their nationals involved. Aruba, as a protectorat of the Netherlands, presumably remits funds to them to cover Foreign Affairs and Defense, so they also have an interest of preserving Aruba's integrity. Have been awarded great latitude in the investigation, even if they don't have de facto jurisdiction in Aruba.

The FBI, several agents deployed, interest in cracking the case which involves the disappearance of an American national. They also need to preserve good relationship with Aruba and the Dutch - this is needed in the long term as far as their DEA involvement in the island.




As far of your 1st question; I don`t see anything wrong with the help of the FBI, b/c any help is needed I think. As far as jurisdiction, I think that must be just it "help"and advice not they can take over the case or something because the are not in the US.

As far for your 2nd question;  They certainly not give the vds any other
treatment b/c they are 'dutch', all suspects will be handled the same way.


As far for your 3th;  I think the majority of the dutch have no tension at all with arubians and antillians, and that that is more something of a media and political issue. I know I haven`t!


Hope you understand it a little because it`s difficult to explain it in english Very Happy
 

ARE THEY NOT ALL DUTCH NATIONALS (CARRIERS OF DUTCH PASSPORTS) ?
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« Reply #894 on: June 21, 2005, 02:58:23 PM »

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OMG now I am literally crying from laughing so hard...

Remember yesterday when we were talking about elder VDS being chased by the press... well..

Here's the monkey over in Aruba trying to get a scoop.. roflmaopimp

http://www.vatanappally.com/images/funny_monkey.jpg


HILARIOUS!!!!!


can I get that one!!!!??????
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« Reply #895 on: June 21, 2005, 02:59:19 PM »

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Hairline, teeth, and eyebrows -positioning- look different. Is it me?


If you're talking about the center collection of photos, yes, those are clearly NOT the same person.
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« Reply #896 on: June 21, 2005, 02:59:23 PM »

let's see....could it be that we have already gone through the "photo scenario" days ago...beat it like a dead hourse actually. That's why Red and Tom have put all the old news in an area to be reviewed. But for anyone who wants to talk about it, I definitely don't think that's bad.
When there is breaking news, believe me...there will be plenty of opinions and theories flying around this forum. (right Rob?)
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« Reply #897 on: June 21, 2005, 02:59:27 PM »

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I FINALLY found those pics that we were talking about ROB.... if anybody is interesting in seeing what we were talking about... "pantyboy" looking like the guy in the pic with the brother...here is the link

http://photobucket.com/albums/a213/marigotbay/?action=view¤t=jaipur.jpg

compare 1st slide - guy with the black cap
AND
3rd slide - "pantyboy"

When these were posted there was alot of confusion as to who was being identified.  I agree that the man in the black cap looks to be the same person as the "pantie boy".



So "panty boy" had been associated with the four suspects...hmmmm..anyone else find that to be strange that he was the one that happened to "stumble" across possible "key evidence" at the time?



You can't draw that conclusion from those photos.  Those photos have been photochopped.


I don't think that the guy holding the green bottle and the "panty" boy are the same.   Different brows, different chin shape..  and the ears are not exactly the same.   I have to admit, they do look very similar.  But, I think there are enough distinquishable differences to put it in the probably not column.
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« Reply #898 on: June 21, 2005, 02:59:29 PM »

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I've been watching this board from the very beginning.  It used to be a vital place to get information before the MSM.  Now it seems as if this forum is so bogged down with meaningless chat that the true "leads" from the arubans are lost.

Also, everyone is so protective of their theories and if someone posts something that could be considered by small minded people as offensive they will be considered "trolls" or kicked off.  The way you people go about labeling people looks as if you're in the third grade.

I think you overlook the fact that many people have legitimate views but you immediately bash them...many opinions are being lost.


hurling insults while remaining anomyomuos, usually brings out the discord in ppl....


Someone,

I myself, don't hurl insults. For the fact of meaningless chatter, I don't find it meaningless to (since some of us live here 24/7 trying to help out) break the monotomy when things are getting heated and try to all have a wonderful kumbaya giggle session to relieve tension.

Loosen up. There's always a wealth of information going on as well as some MUCH needed uplifting of spirit chatter.
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« Reply #899 on: June 21, 2005, 02:59:55 PM »

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I know I mentioned this in a response with other info..

Does anyone know if NH was into the internet as far as her own webpage/Blogs like the 3 or 4 guys were.

One ? there would be--Did they communicate online through them before.  

Or did she post how she was going to Aruba after graduation--then maybe the 3 saw that--decided to watch out for her.


It probably was the other way around.  Joran and his group seemed to look for those schools who had a record of coming to Aruba.  I think I read somewhere that this was the fifth year in a row that MB had taken this trip for seniors.  I am sure someone from the class was communicating with someone in Aruba just based upon the odds.  who those people were would be anyones guess.  They do not necessarily need to be anyone mentioned with this case.  It could have been completely innocent.



important qurstion...
was this post u saw in english or papiamento???? Rolling Eyes
ARRRIBBBAAA!!


sorry, but since I don't use that topping on my pizza it would have had to be in english.     Rolling Eyes  I need to plead ignorance even at my age.  I had no idea what language was spoken in Aruba and I date back to the US civil war days.
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