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« on: June 21, 2005, 03:33:23 PM »

I saw an interview with Amy Bradley’s mother about 2 weeks ago on CNN and she discussed how a soldier on leave in Venezuela visited a brothel and a woman claiming to be Amy Bradley begged for his help in helping her to escape. It seems that she was kidnapped and then sold into prostitution. I did not hear the results of this finding. Did the FBI or other American government agency investigate this? Could this also be the case for Natalie Holloway? I haven’t heard of any assumptions but I think that it should be looked at.

I can’t stop thinking about this poor girl and what she must be going through if she is still alive. I pray they find her soon.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2005, 03:36:36 PM »

I saw Amy's Mom on several occasions.......she says this sailor was given a polygraph and passed. Amy's Mom also said that there had been a credible sighting in San Francisico......I always wondered why the sailor didn't help the girl no matter who she was, help her get out.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2005, 03:39:22 PM »

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I saw an interview with Amy Bradley’s mother about 2 weeks ago on CNN and she discussed how a soldier on leave in Venezuela visited a brothel and a woman claiming to be Amy Bradley begged for his help in helping her to escape. It seems that she was kidnapped and then sold into prostitution. I did not hear the results of this finding. Did the FBI or other American government agency investigate this? Could this also be the case for Natalie Holloway? I haven’t heard of any assumptions but I think that it should be looked at.

I can’t stop thinking about this poor girl and what she must be going through if she is still alive. I pray they find her soon.


IF this were to be true, I don't even want to imagine that any US soldier would leave a woman behind who had "begged for help" claiming to have been abducted and held against her will.

On the wild chance that this IS true.  I would be even more horrified by that same soldier, having ignored her pleas for help, TELLING anyone, not to mention her parents, about it.

This soldier at the brothel sure sounds like the letters I find on internet legend sites.   Let us all hope that no soldier would ever leave anyone behind who was begging for help.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2005, 03:45:00 PM »

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I saw Amy's Mom on several occasions.......she says this sailor was given a polygraph and passed. Amy's Mom also said that there had been a credible sighting in San Francisico......I always wondered why the sailor didn't help the girl no matter who she was, help her get out.


Kacky,  Anyone can pass a polygraph test if they have convinced themselves they are telling the truth.  A polygraph test is not flawless.

A mother so desparate after years of yearning, would cling to any thread she thought might hold a clue to the disappearance.   I don't blame Amy's mother for believing ANY story she is told.   I'm not saying that Amy wasn't kidnapped, etc.   What I don't believe, is that a soldier saw her and did nothing to help her.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2005, 03:51:34 PM »

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Bradley's case remains open with the FBI. WVTM-TV in Birmingham, Ala., spoke with her case manager in Barbados but there wasn't much she could say. However, she did confirm reports of a sighting by a Naval officer one year after the woman disappeared.

The officer told the FBI he went to a brothel in Curac'l on Canal. He said an American girl leaned in and said: "My name is Amy Bradley. I need your help."

Unfortunately he didn't report the sighting for sometime and by then the brothel had burned to the ground. The FBI has released sketches of suspects in her case.


http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4578420/detail.html
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2005, 03:54:19 PM »

right Cat! I would have been all over him like white on rice if he came to me with this story, and did not do anything to help her. I also know her Mom has made some comments that scientology somehow ( I have no idea how) may have been involved.......( I saw her mom say this on the Today show a couple of weeks ago, then she was quickly cut off for a "break")
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2005, 04:00:20 PM »

I did more checking! For more info on the Soldier story, see this link

http://sec-global.com/services/ctp/vsg/news/030626.html

Searching For Amy
Con Man Dupes Family in Hunt for Missing Daughter
ABCNEWS.com


Amy Bradley, second from left, disappeared on a Caribbean cruise with her family in 1998. Her parents Ron and Iva Bradley are on her left, her brother Brad on her right. (ABCNEWS.com)  June 26— When Ron and Iva Bradley got an e-mail from self-described soldier of fortune Frank Jones in the fall of 1999, it seemed like the answer to their prayers.

The Bradleys' daughter Amy had disappeared from a Caribbean cruise the previous March, when she was 23, and the family had recently heard from a witness that she was being held by armed Colombians on the Dutch island of Curacao.

Jones told the family he was a former U.S. Army Special Forces officer with a team of ex-Army Rangers and ex-Navy Seals who might be able to rescue Amy. "He told me that he'd put Amy on his own back and swim her out of there," said Iva Bradley.

Officials on the Dutch island of Curacao, where Amy disappeared, had told the family they could do nothing because there was no evidence of a crime, and an investigation by the FBI had made little progress. Jones seemed to offer the best hope of getting Amy out.  

In the year since their daughter's disappearance, the Bradleys' high-profile campaign to find her — along with their offer of a $250,000 reward — had attracted scores of reports that led only to dead ends. But Jones seemed legitimate to them, and agreed to hire him to help recover Amy.

The Bradleys last saw their daughter in March 1998, when they took a cruise with her aboard the Royal Caribbean line's Rhapsody of the Seas. She vanished as the ship approached Curacao, and searches of the ship and the surrounding waters turned up no trace of her. The family is sure she did not commit suicide.


Daughter Said to be Held by Armed Colombians

 Frank Jones. (ABCNEWS.com)
 
 
Jones sent two of his men down to Curacao to check out the account given to the family by the witness, who was a cook named Judith Margaritha. Margaritha had told the family that Amy was being held by heavily armed Colombian guards in a housing complex protected with barbed wire. She also said that she regularly saw Amy shopping at a grocery store and working out at a gym, and that she was often with a man with long blond hair and tattoos all they way down one arm.

Margaritha also gave the family an accurate description of tattoos that Amy had, and hummed a lullaby that Iva Bradley used to sing to her daughter when she was a baby. The family was convinced she was telling the truth.

Jones sent the family a report saying that his men — whom he described as former Navy Seals — set up surveillance points at the locations Margaritha indicated and observed Amy in a "dark green SUV" driven by a captor with "long blond hair." The report said Amy was in a dangerous situation and under guard, and that Jones's men were forced to leave after a week on the island when they were "fired upon by an estimated 10 men."

Over the next few months, Jones told the family he sent more operatives to the island, and provided a series of reports on the latest sightings of their daughter. The family was terrified that Amy was in imminent danger of being executed by her captors.


Waiting for a Rescue

Then Jones finally told them it was time to attempt a rescue — and that he needed more money. When the family demanded proof that the woman Jones's men were tracking was their daughter, he sent them some photographs of her sitting on the beach with the blond-haired man. "When I got the pictures, I knew Amy was OK, and it was just a matter of time," remembers Iva Bradley, who recognized the tattoo on her daughter's ankle.

The Bradleys sent Jones more money, bringing the total amount he had been paid to $210,000 — some $24,000 from their own pocket, plus $186,000 from a fund set up for Amy's search by the Nation's Missing Children Organization.

The family flew down to Florida and waited in a hotel, with a private jet provided by Ron's employer, an insurance company, standing by. "We sat in that hotel for a week, thinking any minute we were going to get a phone call," Iva Bradley told Primetime.


House of Cards

Days went by, and the call never came. Down in Curacao, one of Jones's men, former Army Special Forces sniper Tim Buckholtz, began to wonder whether Jones was telling the family the truth. Buckholtz was assigned to watch the house where Amy was supposedly being held, but never saw any sign of her. Instead, he discovered that the residents of the house were ordinary people, above suspicion. When Buckholtz later overheard Jones tell the Bradleys from a bar that his "people" were watching the house at that very moment, he realized, "This is a lie, and I know it's a lie," he told Primetime.

Another member of Jones's team, Jono Senk, told Primetime that the photographs supposedly showing Amy on the beach with her blond-haired captor were in fact taken by Jones on a beach in Pensacola, Fla. Senk said he posed as the "captor," wearing a blond wig, while the woman in the picture was an acquaintance of Jones.

Buckholtz contacted the Bradleys, and the game was up.

It turned out that Jones had never served in the Special Forces, and had made up the whole story about his men sighting Amy on the island. In February 2002, federal prosecutors in Richmond charged him with defrauding the Bradleys of $24,444 and the Nation's Missing Children Organization of $186,416. Jones pleaded guilty to mail fraud in April, and was sentenced to five years in prison and ordered to repay the money.

Margaritha, the cook who claimed to have seen Amy numerous times, was also a fraud, according to her son, Giovanni Margaritha, who works at a security firm in Curacao. "It's a lie. It's just using Amy's mother as a way of stealing," he told Primetime. Judith Margaritha denied lying to the Bradleys, but said, "Maybe I'm a bad person, but with all my badness, I want Mrs. Bradley really to find her girl." The Bradleys say they paid the cook a total of about $8,000 for her information.


'What Else Do You Do?'

Jones and Margaritha were not the first people the Bradleys thought took advantage of them by claiming to have information about their daughter. But the Bradleys say they had no choice but to trust anyone who seemed to have credible information.

"If there's a chance — I mean, what else do you do?," Ron Bradley says. "If it was your child, what would you do? So I guess we took a chance. And I guess we lost."  

If anyone has information about Amy Bradley, they can contact their nearest FBI office or her family's Web site.

This report originally aired on Primetime on Dec. 19, 2002.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2005, 04:04:41 PM »

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Quote from: "addagirl"
I saw an interview with Amy Bradley’s mother about 2 weeks ago on CNN and she discussed how a soldier on leave in Venezuela visited a brothel and a woman claiming to be Amy Bradley begged for his help in helping her to escape. It seems that she was kidnapped and then sold into prostitution. I did not hear the results of this finding. Did the FBI or other American government agency investigate this? Could this also be the case for Natalie Holloway? I haven’t heard of any assumptions but I think that it should be looked at.

I can’t stop thinking about this poor girl and what she must be going through if she is still alive. I pray they find her soon.



IF this were to be true, I don't even want to imagine that any US soldier would leave a woman behind who had "begged for help" claiming to have been abducted and held against her will.

On the wild chance that this IS true.  I would be even more horrified by that same soldier, having ignored her pleas for help, TELLING anyone, not to mention her parents, about it.

This soldier at the brothel sure sounds like the letters I find on internet legend sites.   Let us all hope that no soldier would ever leave anyone behind who was begging for help.


Sad but true story.
The man involved was a Naval Petty Officer who was in a seedy bar & brothel in Venezuela that was off limits & he knew it. He did nothing at the time & never reported the incident  out of fear - and also had never heard of Amy Bradley & didn't know a woman was missing. He has since apolgized to the family. I think it is ONE of the reasons the FBI/DEA is so heavly involved in the NH case and didn't waste too much time. It is I believe what  the Alabama Congressman  was refering  to in his statements.
I didn't know about con man rescue stuff- I pretty sure that it is not the same man.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2005, 07:25:44 PM »

Veme & Catriana :

No it wasn't at all the same man...the naval petty officer didn't initially report it because ( I think) it wasn't a place he was supposed to be (a brothel) and he reported it only after he had retired. How convenient. Where ARE the heroes ?
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Amy Bradley is a girl who disappeared while vactioning with her family aboard a Royal Caribbean Cruise ship on March 24th, 1998. The ship had left Aruba and was about to dock in Curacao when she was discovered missing. She was last seen by two young women while in the company of an on-board calypso musician early that morning. The ship commenced de-boarding despite the pleas of her parents to first conduct a search.
There have been several reported sightings of her since:
A cab driver in Curacao claims to have seen her later that same morning asking for a phone that she urgently needed to use. Four days later a local man in Puerto Rico says he saw somebody that looked like her being pushed into a car by another man. In both cases there was only the one witness. However, in August of that year, two Canadian tourists saw her being 'aggressively accompanied' by a couple of men while walking upon a beach in Curacao. They claimed she looked frightened and was perhaps about to say something when one of the men motioned her away and gave one of the Canadians a menacing look. The tourists were able to correctly identify her 'distinguishing marks' which were yet to be widely publicized at the time of their sighting. However, apparently they were also unaware of her even being a missing person at this time so it went unreported for some time. Several months later in January, 1999, a U.S. naval petty officer was approached by her while in a brothel in Curacao. She told him her name and pleaded with him to help her until two other men came into the room and took her off. This incident went unreported for over two years, presumably because he too had been unaware of her case, but possibly also to avoid any penalization for being in a restricted area. He reported it soon after he'd retired. The brothel in the meantime had burned down. Most recently, in April of 2003, Amy was reportedly seen in the Fisherman's Wharf area of San Francisco,CA, by a woman tourist who observed her and the two men she was with for quite sometime. The two men then looked up and quickly escorted away the woman they were closely accompanying. The witness said the woman turned and gave a pleading look. However the tourist was able to give a good enough description to enable the FBI to release sketch profiles of the two men.
Please see below.
[These men and any others one is likely to see with Amy are thought to be armed and very dangerous.]

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/bradley.htm
http://www.rinokids.com/Adults/Bradley/
http://www.tggweb.com/amybradley/amy-story.htm

My own feeling is that since she had been seen chatting/hanging-out with the band the night before (after their set was over) and especially with the one musician named Yellow (who at least one other girl had posted unspecified online warnings about-"stay away from him!" - and who she had been seen with briefly again early the next morning, after checking in with her family), I feel she was an accidental witness to something she wasn't supposed to see (a big behind-closed doors drug deal?) and was removed quickly to silence her. Luckily, for whatever reason, she wasn't killed. But almost as tragically probably lives still (Colombia?Venezuela?) as an unwilling "companion" to one or more of these thugs or, just as bad, as whore-house chattel. An often used tactic is to make a victim (hostage or otherwise) an accomplice or witness in/to another crime (the Patty Hearst syndrome) to make them more reticent about trying to flee and come forward. Should they ever even have that possibility.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 07:26:45 PM »

I had heard that the sailor was married an did not want to break up his marriage Question
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2005, 05:01:26 PM »

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Bradley's case remains open with the FBI. WVTM-TV in Birmingham, Ala., spoke with her case manager in Barbados but there wasn't much she could say. However, she did confirm reports of a sighting by a Naval officer one year after the woman disappeared.

The officer told the FBI he went to a brothel in Curac'l on Canal. He said an American girl leaned in and said: "My name is Amy Bradley. I need your help."

Unfortunately he didn't report the sighting for sometime and by then the brothel had burned to the ground. The FBI has released sketches of suspects in her case.


http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4578420/detail.html


Here's Amy's info on the FBI website - check out the two sketches of men related to her disappearance (one has RED hair and a RED beard):
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/bradley.htm

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2005, 06:51:50 PM »

Maybe Nat's friends should look at those sketches and see whether or not they saw someone resembling those two while they were in Aruba.
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