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« Reply #1260 on: June 22, 2005, 01:34:12 AM »

ok all, this has been a long day of following post and I am ready for bed.  2 items bothered me from all we got today.  One was in the e-mail about a student asking Nat to get out of the car.  I realize we need to take the e-mail with some doubt, however, that part doesn't sound like it was made up.  If true, why would not those students say something at the airport when she didn't show.

2nd.. I saw a tv report this morning with Nats uncle and a pilot that flew in to help.  The reporter or someone in the interview group asked the uncle about the rumor that Nat had run away before when visiting another island.  I had heard reports of this before but dismissed it.  Why didn't the uncle just flat out deny it.  He merely suggested that there were a lot of rumors going around.

these are just curiosity items as I viewed the happening of the day.  Maybe not significant.
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« Reply #1261 on: June 22, 2005, 01:34:37 AM »

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Dateline NBC pays for interviews,,,,its not easy sometimes to distinguish alot of news programming with "magazine" programming nowadays - - - i think its because the magazine type shows are now just as current as regular news division stuff (lots of spin-off cable channels to fill with programming)



Dateline does not pay for interviews. They've had to work very hard to come back from their disasterous days of blowing up trucks with dynamite and claiming it went off on its own. (and even then reporters and producers were fired or "moved") The LAST thing Dateline would do is breech ethics by paying for an interview. Won't happen.


there are many ways to pay someone...perhaps with an assurance of an appearance/interview another program.....this is just part of the problem of these huge media conglomerations
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« Reply #1262 on: June 22, 2005, 01:34:50 AM »

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Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar.

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11.30pm-?? Carlos and Charlie who .  Approx 40 MB student were there..

12pm: Joran arrives with Kalpoes?

If I leave here tomorrow
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do you know if she went to concert at beginning and stayed until end or if casino mtg was before the concert. Seems like she would have mentioned concert to Joran if she met him before then, huh?
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« Reply #1263 on: June 22, 2005, 01:36:07 AM »

Thank you for deconstructing that, good squad.

Makes rational sense. I believe the email to be a hoax, or a huge lie.

One more observation, if you were one of the last to be seen with a girl that has mysteriously disappear and were brought in for questioning and had your car impounded and checked...would you be emailing your account to a friend in the US? ...even if you were innocent.

For one to go into so much detail, it would have to be a pretty good friend. You call good friends...especially if you're just hanging around and afraid to go outside.

Just MHO.

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Folks, we have to keep our eyes on the ball!

This message board shows exactly why BHT would have discouraged people on the trip from discussing details with the media.  The discussion is now sidetracked over inconsistencies that are IRRELEVANT and shed no light on the investigation.  

All this clucking over Natalee approaching Joran... "Whoa, that's not the virgin we know!  I thought Joran was the predator.  She's pretty loose."
Irrelevant - and, potentially harmful, since there's this ugly subtext that, no matter how much people may deny it on the surface, that Natalee's aggression lowers the probability that she was a victim.

And the revelation that they met on 5/29... "Whoa, we've got people who supposedly KNOW her saying they met earlier!  This changes everything!"  This changes nothing.  It's a minor detail, with the inaccurate inforamtion provided by people who we know did not have constant contact with Natalee 24/7.  

And the harping over the actions of Natlee's "best" friends... "How could they lose track of her, especially if she's drunk."  This is a moral judgment, unrelated to the main issue.  Greta might have decided to take it easy on them.  Obviously, a mistake was made, and I'd bet that one of the hardest things these friends will have to deal with for the rest of their lives is the guilty feeling that will persist over this.

The main questions here are:

1) How do the current detainees account for their whereabouts and actions, and those of Natalee, on the night she was last seen?

2) How trustworthy are the detainees in their accounts?

And with Deepak's 5/29 e-mail (thanks WW), we have, among some other details, what has largely been out in the open already as the first reported alibi.  But again, we're getting sidetracked... "Whoa, there are details in here that we now know are true!  About stuff that we didn't have correct before!"  It's simple: partial accuracy = partial inaccuracy, with the e-mail, or with any other version of events.  Partial inaccuracy suggests LIES.

As I mentioned before, from the e-mail, Joran has placed himself and Natalee at the hotel at a fixed time of the evening - at which point the concert is simultaneously ongoing.  Forget about the fact that Natalee actually met Joran at a blackjack table.  If Natalee can be placed at the concert during the "blackjack time" defined by the e-mail, then this part of the story is a LIE.

According to the e-mail, Joran and the Kalpoes reached C&C's at approx. 12:30.  Based on the story told, Deepak bought drinks, had a conversation, and left before the bar closed, which has him staying for less than 30 minutes.  The C&C official statement suggests an 11:30PM arrival time for the people on the trip.  One friend in tonight;s GVS interview stated she was gone one hour prior to closing.   If you believe her friend, then this part of the e-mail story is a LIE.

According to Mr. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00PM.  Based on the e-mail, there has to be a logical way that Joran was at the casino, talked to Natalee, called his friends, and went to McDonald's.  If not, then Joran, Paulus, and/or Deepak are LYING.

According to the e-mail, there's, at most, a 75 minute window to complete all of the events in the drive.  If it started before 1:00 AM, that cuts down the already short time in the bar further.  If it started after 1:00 AM, the window for the drive shrinks.  If either one does not make logical sense, then it's a LIE.

According to Ms. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, Joran told his mother that he left Natalee on the beach.  (N.B.:  No statement that Natalee was asleep, as stated in the MSNBC story yesterday).  Ms. VDS has also said (can't remember if it was this interview or in a wire article) that guards prevent her from discussing the case with Joran during her visits to the prison.  Therefore, Joran said this to his mother at some point prior to his detention.  Meanwhile, the e-mail says that Joran and the Kalpoes dropped off Natalee at the HI.  Not only is this a clear instance of a LIE by Joran and/or Deepak concerning the last moment Natalee was seen, it occurred prior to their detention, with its prolonged periods of intense interrogation.

According to the e-mail, at the last moment he saw Natalee, Deepak saw a black-shirted man with a walkie-talkie speak to Natalee.  There is no evidence of this man, who was standing in front of the lobby, or this conversation.  This portion of the e-mail, the "bottom" of the alibi, so to speak, is UNPROVEN.

Even just considering the stuff for which we have direct sources, I believe the detainees' stories contain too many holes.  The alibi is not conclusive, and there's at least one clear instance of the detainees lying.  Add in the the MSM repeatedly reporting multiple instances of changed stories from the detainees, and it seems like the guys are in prison for a good reason, and that they're hiding something.

For me, the fact that Deepak's e-mail matches up to some of the events demonstrates a clever, devious mind, and makes the idea of a long interrogation with slow results seem more plausible.  

Finally, if you want to allow for the possibility of being witnesses to a pure accident as a mitigating factor, keep in mind that its cover-up represents a clear choice of causing Natalee's family torment that, if a body is never found, will be neverending.  In my opinion, this represents unspeakable cruelty.
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« Reply #1264 on: June 22, 2005, 01:37:14 AM »

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8am-10pm Sleep, breakfast?

10am-2pm .Happy Hour Snorkel Sail with depalm Tours the Afternoon of.  
Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar.

7pm-11pm MUSIC CONCERT
Havana Beach Club Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach) 7-11:00 p.m.
Lauryn Hill
Boyz II Men
Hosted by Doug E. Fresh

11.30pm-?? Carlos and Charlie who .  Approx 40 MB student were there..

12pm: Joran arrives with Kalpoes?

If I leave here tomorrow
would you still remember me
For I must be travelling on now
there's too many places I gotta see


Casino at HI goes in there somewhere. Blackjack table and rumor of 20 minutes at an ATM machine.
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« Reply #1265 on: June 22, 2005, 01:38:46 AM »

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Was the prom date on the trip or was that a rumor as well?


The only prom date I'm aware of is in relation to the pictures in Natalees camera. They were of Prom date, graduation, and trip. I think.
So much info?? so little time.


I beleive it was dash (or another MB friend) that said his name was Greg?  and he was older than HS age.
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« Reply #1266 on: June 22, 2005, 01:38:49 AM »

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Is there a reason to post this again and again?



No, so why did you?
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« Reply #1267 on: June 22, 2005, 01:38:49 AM »

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trust me Dateline and others ,at times, def. pay......you think that was the first time 60 minutes paid or the first time it was called to attention??? also, i work in the industry


I hope you're not saying you work for news and pay for interviews, because you might be on the unemployment line pretty soon. it's a total breech of news ethics and eventually you will be found out. you're doing it under the table then. Because I know your bosses aren't approving it.
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« Reply #1268 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:17 AM »

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Was the prom date on the trip or was that a rumor as well?


The only prom date I'm aware of is in relation to the pictures in Natalees camera. They were of Prom date, graduation, and trip. I think.
So much info?? so little time.


Right the guy with the red corvette, was he in aruba?


I thought I heard no. That she did not have a boyfriend on the trip, but at this point who knows?
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« Reply #1269 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:51 AM »

I Kept my eyes on the ball the email is written in american english ,
while on international schools and dutch secondary schools they teach oxford englis . What is your taught on that ?

Many thanks .

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Folks, we have to keep our eyes on the ball!

This message board shows exactly why BHT would have discouraged people on the trip from discussing details with the media.  The discussion is now sidetracked over inconsistencies that are IRRELEVANT and shed no light on the investigation.  

All this clucking over Natalee approaching Joran... "Whoa, that's not the virgin we know!  I thought Joran was the predator.  She's pretty loose."
Irrelevant - and, potentially harmful, since there's this ugly subtext that, no matter how much people may deny it on the surface, that Natalee's aggression lowers the probability that she was a victim.

And the revelation that they met on 5/29... "Whoa, we've got people who supposedly KNOW her saying they met earlier!  This changes everything!"  This changes nothing.  It's a minor detail, with the inaccurate inforamtion provided by people who we know did not have constant contact with Natalee 24/7.  

And the harping over the actions of Natlee's "best" friends... "How could they lose track of her, especially if she's drunk."  This is a moral judgment, unrelated to the main issue.  Greta might have decided to take it easy on them.  Obviously, a mistake was made, and I'd bet that one of the hardest things these friends will have to deal with for the rest of their lives is the guilty feeling that will persist over this.

The main questions here are:

1) How do the current detainees account for their whereabouts and actions, and those of Natalee, on the night she was last seen?

2) How trustworthy are the detainees in their accounts?

And with Deepak's 5/29 e-mail (thanks WW), we have, among some other details, what has largely been out in the open already as the first reported alibi.  But again, we're getting sidetracked... "Whoa, there are details in here that we now know are true!  About stuff that we didn't have correct before!"  It's simple: partial accuracy = partial inaccuracy, with the e-mail, or with any other version of events.  Partial inaccuracy suggests LIES.

As I mentioned before, from the e-mail, Joran has placed himself and Natalee at the hotel at a fixed time of the evening - at which point the concert is simultaneously ongoing.  Forget about the fact that Natalee actually met Joran at a blackjack table.  If Natalee can be placed at the concert during the "blackjack time" defined by the e-mail, then this part of the story is a LIE.

According to the e-mail, Joran and the Kalpoes reached C&C's at approx. 12:30.  Based on the story told, Deepak bought drinks, had a conversation, and left before the bar closed, which has him staying for less than 30 minutes.  The C&C official statement suggests an 11:30PM arrival time for the people on the trip.  One friend in tonight;s GVS interview stated she was gone one hour prior to closing.   If you believe her friend, then this part of the e-mail story is a LIE.

According to Mr. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00PM.  Based on the e-mail, there has to be a logical way that Joran was at the casino, talked to Natalee, called his friends, and went to McDonald's.  If not, then Joran, Paulus, and/or Deepak are LYING.

According to the e-mail, there's, at most, a 75 minute window to complete all of the events in the drive.  If it started before 1:00 AM, that cuts down the already short time in the bar further.  If it started after 1:00 AM, the window for the drive shrinks.  If either one does not make logical sense, then it's a LIE.

According to Ms. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, Joran told his mother that he left Natalee on the beach.  (N.B.:  No statement that Natalee was asleep, as stated in the MSNBC story yesterday).  Ms. VDS has also said (can't remember if it was this interview or in a wire article) that guards prevent her from discussing the case with Joran during her visits to the prison.  Therefore, Joran said this to his mother at some point prior to his detention.  Meanwhile, the e-mail says that Joran and the Kalpoes dropped off Natalee at the HI.  Not only is this a clear instance of a LIE by Joran and/or Deepak concerning the last moment Natalee was seen, it occurred prior to their detention, with its prolonged periods of intense interrogation.

According to the e-mail, at the last moment he saw Natalee, Deepak saw a black-shirted man with a walkie-talkie speak to Natalee.  There is no evidence of this man, who was standing in front of the lobby, or this conversation.  This portion of the e-mail, the "bottom" of the alibi, so to speak, is UNPROVEN.

Even just considering the stuff for which we have direct sources, I believe the detainees' stories contain too many holes.  The alibi is not conclusive, and there's at least one clear instance of the detainees lying.  Add in the the MSM repeatedly reporting multiple instances of changed stories from the detainees, and it seems like the guys are in prison for a good reason, and that they're hiding something.

For me, the fact that Deepak's e-mail matches up to some of the events demonstrates a clever, devious mind, and makes the idea of a long interrogation with slow results seem more plausible.  

Finally, if you want to allow for the possibility of being witnesses to a pure accident as a mitigating factor, keep in mind that its cover-up represents a clear choice of causing Natalee's family torment that, if a body is never found, will be neverending.  In my opinion, this represents unspeakable cruelty.
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« Reply #1270 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:59 AM »

Hey my nizzles! Anything new happen'n in dis hizzi?


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Hey guys how's it going?!

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« Reply #1271 on: June 22, 2005, 01:40:25 AM »

Quote from: "goon squad"
Folks, we have to keep our eyes on the ball!

This message board shows exactly why BHT would have discouraged people on the trip from discussing details with the media.  The discussion is now sidetracked over inconsistencies that are IRRELEVANT and shed no light on the investigation.  

All this clucking over Natalee approaching Joran... "Whoa, that's not the virgin we know!  I thought Joran was the predator.  She's pretty loose."
Irrelevant - and, potentially harmful, since there's this ugly subtext that, no matter how much people may deny it on the surface, that Natalee's aggression lowers the probability that she was a victim.

And the revelation that they met on 5/29... "Whoa, we've got people who supposedly KNOW her saying they met earlier!  This changes everything!"  This changes nothing.  It's a minor detail, with the inaccurate inforamtion provided by people who we know did not have constant contact with Natalee 24/7.  

And the harping over the actions of Natlee's "best" friends... "How could they lose track of her, especially if she's drunk."  This is a moral judgment, unrelated to the main issue.  Greta might have decided to take it easy on them.  Obviously, a mistake was made, and I'd bet that one of the hardest things these friends will have to deal with for the rest of their lives is the guilty feeling that will persist over this.

The main questions here are:

1) How do the current detainees account for their whereabouts and actions, and those of Natalee, on the night she was last seen?

2) How trustworthy are the detainees in their accounts?

And with Deepak's 5/29 e-mail (thanks WW), we have, among some other details, what has largely been out in the open already as the first reported alibi.  But again, we're getting sidetracked... "Whoa, there are details in here that we now know are true!  About stuff that we didn't have correct before!"  It's simple: partial accuracy = partial inaccuracy, with the e-mail, or with any other version of events.  Partial inaccuracy suggests LIES.

As I mentioned before, from the e-mail, Joran has placed himself and Natalee at the hotel at a fixed time of the evening - at which point the concert is simultaneously ongoing.  Forget about the fact that Natalee actually met Joran at a blackjack table.  If Natalee can be placed at the concert during the "blackjack time" defined by the e-mail, then this part of the story is a LIE.

According to the e-mail, Joran and the Kalpoes reached C&C's at approx. 12:30.  Based on the story told, Deepak bought drinks, had a conversation, and left before the bar closed, which has him staying for less than 30 minutes.  The C&C official statement suggests an 11:30PM arrival time for the people on the trip.  One friend in tonight;s GVS interview stated she was gone one hour prior to closing.   If you believe her friend, then this part of the e-mail story is a LIE.

According to Mr. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00PM.  Based on the e-mail, there has to be a logical way that Joran was at the casino, talked to Natalee, called his friends, and went to McDonald's.  If not, then Joran, Paulus, and/or Deepak are LYING.

According to the e-mail, there's, at most, a 75 minute window to complete all of the events in the drive.  If it started before 1:00 AM, that cuts down the already short time in the bar further.  If it started after 1:00 AM, the window for the drive shrinks.  If either one does not make logical sense, then it's a LIE.

According to Ms. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, Joran told his mother that he left Natalee on the beach.  (N.B.:  No statement that Natalee was asleep, as stated in the MSNBC story yesterday).  Ms. VDS has also said (can't remember if it was this interview or in a wire article) that guards prevent her from discussing the case with Joran during her visits to the prison.  Therefore, Joran said this to his mother at some point prior to his detention.  Meanwhile, the e-mail says that Joran and the Kalpoes dropped off Natalee at the HI.  Not only is this a clear instance of a LIE by Joran and/or Deepak concerning the last moment Natalee was seen, it occurred prior to their detention, with its prolonged periods of intense interrogation.

According to the e-mail, at the last moment he saw Natalee, Deepak saw a black-shirted man with a walkie-talkie speak to Natalee.  There is no evidence of this man, who was standing in front of the lobby, or this conversation.  This portion of the e-mail, the "bottom" of the alibi, so to speak, is UNPROVEN.

Even just considering the stuff for which we have direct sources, I believe the detainees' stories contain too many holes.  The alibi is not conclusive, and there's at least one clear instance of the detainees lying.  Add in the the MSM repeatedly reporting multiple instances of changed stories from the detainees, and it seems like the guys are in prison for a good reason, and that they're hiding something.

For me, the fact that Deepak's e-mail matches up to some of the events demonstrates a clever, devious mind, and makes the idea of a long interrogation with slow results seem more plausible.  

Finally, if you want to allow for the possibility of being witnesses to a pure accident as a mitigating factor, keep in mind that its cover-up represents a clear choice of causing Natalee's family torment that, if a body is never found, will be neverending.  In my opinion, this represents unspeakable cruelty.


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« Reply #1272 on: June 22, 2005, 01:40:32 AM »

goon squad...I think you read more into my post than I stated.

I DO NOT think that because Natalee initiated meeting Joran that that changes anything.  I know what young women do, and believe me, I probably did much worse than that.  One of the esteemed founders of this board stated earlier that because she invited him to CnCs that meant she wanted to HU.  I don't believe that.  I think she found him attractive and wanted to spend more time with him, and probably hoped to see him in the US.  It's very easy for naive American young women to romanticize men they meet in foreign countries...I also know this from experience.  None of this make her a bad person at all....she was having a good time.  

What is a different perspective with this new info is that I had read between the lines from earlier posts and it seems as if Joran was hanging around the HI casino a lot.  And the way it was stated, or at least the way I interpreted it, was that it seemed kind of shady as if he was plotting to take advantage of someone.  

That's the ONLY thing that I see differently re the Joran and Natalee connection.

I'm just saying it is a possibility that the three guys don't really know what happened with her.  Not defending them....just saying I saw a different possibility of things tonight.
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« Reply #1273 on: June 22, 2005, 01:40:37 AM »

Well, if Natalee perchance had a misfortune befall her, she did not hide her own body.
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« Reply #1274 on: June 22, 2005, 01:41:24 AM »

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Folks, we have to keep our eyes on the ball!

This message board shows exactly why BHT would have discouraged people on the trip from discussing details with the media.  The discussion is now sidetracked over inconsistencies that are IRRELEVANT and shed no light on the investigation.  

[great stuff clipped for bandwidth]

Finally, if you want to allow for the possibility of being witnesses to a pure accident as a mitigating factor, keep in mind that its cover-up represents a clear choice of causing Natalee's family torment that, if a body is never found, will be neverending.  In my opinion, this represents unspeakable cruelty.


Holy crap, was that a great post!!
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« Reply #1275 on: June 22, 2005, 01:41:46 AM »

goon squad:
not to be picky but I think the friend was saying that she (the friend) left an hour before clsing. That's why she did not see NH get in taxi (I meant car)
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« Reply #1276 on: June 22, 2005, 01:42:32 AM »

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I Kept my eyes on the ball the email is written in american english ,
while on international schools and dutch secondary schools they teach oxford englis . What is your taught on that ?

Many thanks .

Excellent point, bendex.
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« Reply #1277 on: June 22, 2005, 01:43:26 AM »

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goon squad:
not to be picky but I think the friend was saying that she (the friend) left an hour before clsing. That's why she did not see NH get in taxi (I meant car)


Yes and the other friend was not there at all Sunday night.
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« Reply #1278 on: June 22, 2005, 01:45:35 AM »

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8am-10pm Sleep, breakfast?

10am-2pm .Happy Hour Snorkel Sail with depalm Tours the Afternoon of.  
Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar.

7pm-11pm MUSIC CONCERT
Havana Beach Club Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach) 7-11:00 p.m.
Lauryn Hill
Boyz II Men
Hosted by Doug E. Fresh

11.30pm-?? Carlos and Charlie who .  Approx 40 MB student were there..

12pm: Joran arrives with Kalpoes?

If I leave here tomorrow
would you still remember me
For I must be travelling on now
there's too many places I gotta see


Casino at HI goes in there somewhere. Blackjack table and rumor of 20 minutes at an ATM machine.[/quote

Wasn't the atm rumour posted on this board yesterday ?
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« Reply #1279 on: June 22, 2005, 01:45:48 AM »

Quote from: "goon squad"
Folks, we have to keep our eyes on the ball!

The most rational and well written post of the evening for sure!!  Very Happy
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