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« Reply #1320 on: June 22, 2005, 02:03:02 AM »

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i am one the the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news .
Was Deepak a student?  He's 21 from what we have heard reported. He works at the CyberCafe. Student where?


It has been said that he attended night school.


Can you link me to where this has been mentioned? Not trying to be obnoxious, just trying to discern if it's another rumour or a verifiable fact.


I recall seeing something on FOX either yesterday or today (forgive me, it's been a long one) where a local Aruban journalist and Greta were walking around town and at one point stood in front of the Kalpoe house. The journalist mentioned that the 2 younger boys attended the Intl school but that Deepak attended the highest form of schooling on the Island. I don't have the name of the school... sorry. But I do remember it being reported that the eldest boy was in school as well.
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« Reply #1321 on: June 22, 2005, 02:03:32 AM »

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DOES THAT IMPLY THAT SHE WOULD GO OUT WITH OUT MONEY AND WHERE DO YOU PUT IT ?

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« Reply #1322 on: June 22, 2005, 02:04:05 AM »

lol Absoult. Smile Like I said..teens around here always carry purses. Even to school dances. O_o... it really all depends. Was Natalee wearing a skirt that night. If she was then there would more than likely be no pockets....there are tons of factors.
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« Reply #1323 on: June 22, 2005, 02:04:08 AM »

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don't most modern casinos have tons of cameras especially at the tables to watch for cheating?......they could tell a story about that night....
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Absolutely.  I think I read they had Natalee and Joran on video at the casino.  Dont quote me though.
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« Reply #1324 on: June 22, 2005, 02:04:26 AM »

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Hey I was wondering that to. Maybe Natalee really did go back to the hotel...if her purse and cash and stuff like that was there. She had to have had that when she went out to pay for the drinks, cover charge, Ect.

Hmmm..


WOW I never thought about that. Why would she be all those places with out her stuff for hours on end.


Let's remember the photo of the clothes she was wearing on that night? I believe a jean skirt and a halter type top? Anyone got that photo? (on the beach)
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« Reply #1325 on: June 22, 2005, 02:04:55 AM »

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lol Absoult. Smile Like I said..teens around here always carry purses. Even to school dances. O_o... it really all depends. Was Natalee wearing a skirt that night. If she was then there would more than likely be no pockets....there are tons of factors.


Jean skirt, pockets possible.
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« Reply #1326 on: June 22, 2005, 02:04:56 AM »

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Casino at HI goes in there somewhere. Blackjack table and rumor of 20 minutes at an ATM machine.[/quote

Wasn't the atm rumour posted on this board yesterday ?


You have to add the blackjack table, but the ATM seems ridiculous.  First of all, think about it, TWENTY MINUTES??  Obviously, that could be exaggerated, but Beth Twitty also stated she found Natalee's extra money packed in her bag in her room (yes, it's *possible* that's not true), which wouldn't make sense for someone desperate for cash.


I remember my first time in a casino at 18.  If they had atms back then I would have spent more than I could afford.  Have you ever forgotten your PIN#?
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« Reply #1327 on: June 22, 2005, 02:05:07 AM »

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This email is far too flat...


Ha!  Now you've hit on what I thought felt so eerie about it...the flat tone much odder than first person narrative.  Flat fits.
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« Reply #1328 on: June 22, 2005, 02:06:28 AM »

Another problem is when we mix up rumors. YOu have to take one rumor at face value to make another a lie. When we really don't know whether anything we've heard from JVS, MB students, MSM, aruban officials, or anyone else is the real truth...Up to and including changing stories, her itinerary, whether she's run away in the past, etc.
Everyone comes out with a slightly different twist at different times, including Beth Holloway. I'm not saying that she's lying or that the students are lying. More likely it's just a slightly different version of the truth that slowly changes as they rethink things or are allowed to talk....
Face it we're all armchair detectives who have the luxury of being able to look up old videos and quotes and monday morning quarterback.
Somebody knows the truth....but so far we don't know who that is..at least I don't
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« Reply #1329 on: June 22, 2005, 02:06:38 AM »

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I recall seeing something on FOX either yesterday or today (forgive me, it's been a long one) where a local Aruban journalist and Greta were walking around town and at one point stood in front of the Kalpoe house. The journalist mentioned that the 2 younger boys attended the Intl school but that Deepak attended the highest form of schooling on the Island. I don't have the name of the school... sorry. But I do remember it being reported that the eldest boy was in school as well.

Yeah, Giovanni Lane is full of it LOL

21 and still in high school?  Hmmm, maybe Deepak's not too bright.

Or maybe Giovanni is talking out of his ass, such as the following exchange:

Greta: How long have Deepak and Steve Croes known each other?

Giovanni:  I don't know, but I would say about a year.

If you don't know, why would you guess and not provide any basis for that guesstimate?

I rest my case Wink
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« Reply #1330 on: June 22, 2005, 02:07:00 AM »

I wouldn't think it would be safe to leave passports and money or credit cards in a hotel room but that just might be me and something that these teenagers weren't advised about.
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« Reply #1331 on: June 22, 2005, 02:07:03 AM »

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lol Absoult. :) Like I said..teens around here always carry purses. Even to school dances. O_o... it really all depends. Was Natalee wearing a skirt that night. If she was then there would more than likely be no pockets....there are tons of factors.


Seems to me her friends already explained this.  They said it was routine to only take money and ID and leave purse, etc. behind.  I have a 22 year old daughter..and she does exactly the same.
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« Reply #1332 on: June 22, 2005, 02:07:33 AM »

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Casino at HI goes in there somewhere. Blackjack table and rumor of 20 minutes at an ATM machine.[/quote

Wasn't the atm rumour posted on this board yesterday ?


You have to add the blackjack table, but the ATM seems ridiculous.  First of all, think about it, TWENTY MINUTES??  Obviously, that could be exaggerated, but Beth Twitty also stated she found Natalee's extra money packed in her bag in her room (yes, it's *possible* that's not true), which wouldn't make sense for someone desperate for cash.


I remember my first time in a casino at 18.  If they had atms back then I would have spent more than I could afford.  Have you ever forgotten your PIN#?


My thoughts on the atm were the following, I AM TRYING TO START SOMETHING, foreign country atm, linking up which account etc. Then if it was funded off a credit card instead of a bank withdrawl. Maybe a card that had never been used as an ATM card before. It also may have never happened. But.....if it did someone knows it did by now.
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« Reply #1333 on: June 22, 2005, 02:07:38 AM »

I don't know guys..now that more and more stuff is coming into view. I don't see how If someone can find me the picture of her with the skirt on more than likely I can tell you if it has pockets. Alot of girls that go clubbin' have skirts on. Good way to draw attention to your-self...I know it sounds bad but really..that is the way it is.
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« Reply #1334 on: June 22, 2005, 02:07:47 AM »

Well, I've been mostly reading tonight.  I've not done much in the way of posting, but wanted to say something tonight before I head off to bed.  When I first started visiting this site very early on in this I was amazed at the wealth of information and the overall compassion and quest to solve this horrible mess.  All these people connected by this one site all with the goal of bringing Natalee home.  Friendly compassionate people.  I spent most of my time here and literally could not get my rear out of my chair to sleep, eat, or anything else.  From the beginning there were trolls.  At first, everyone would argue against them, then ignore them, then they would go away.  Once we all figured out how to deal with them, they didn't stay around long.  Then there came a point where posters who had a differing point of view were accused of being trolls.  This probably came from the short temper we all had due to arguing with trolls on a daily basis.  But we were still all pretty much a team trying to find out what happened to Natalee Holloway.  We were lucky enough to get a couple of MB students on here and some people from Aruba too.  We rallied around them when trolls would come or when others bashed them for any reason.  But, recently I must say that it has become a little less welcoming to visit here.  We seem to be picking at every little detail of every little post.  I think it very much comes from a lack of information out of Aruba and a frustration with a case that none of us expected to last so long.  We all want this girl to come home and I for one expected to know something by now.  Information is very slow coming out of Aruba and we really don't know much more than the day this started.  I respect the opinion of every person posting.  I may not agree with it.  I may want to constructively discuss it, compare it with my opinion, but I will never state my opinion as fact nor will I accuse yours of being wrong.  They are just different, not right or wrong.  The emails from Deepak may or may not be real, I have an opinion, but it doesn't make mine right.  FOX news may very well be the most watched cable news network, I really don't care, all I know is it's the only one I'm watching because it's the one with the most coverage of this case.  Natalee may or may not have been very drunk the night in question, I really don't know.  If I were 18, just back from Aruba where I had spent time drinking in a bar (illegal in my country and also looked down on for teenagers) I may fib a little about how drunk I was and how drunk my friends were.  I'm sure that I would.  That doesn't mean I think Natalee was falling down drunk, that's only to say that all children, all teens will turn a not so innocent moment into something more innocent when confronted about it.  Natalee seems like a wonderful young woman, but even wonderful young women flirt with goodlooking young men.  Being drunk and flirting (not saying she did this, only that she may have) doesn't make her any less of a person or any less worthy of our attention and compassion.  Natalee may or may not have run away once or spent 20 minutes at an ATM trying to get cash she lost at the casino, but that doesn't change the fact that she seems to be a lovely young lady.  Joran may be a wonderful young man with a little bit of a wild side, but that doesn't change the fact that he was with this young lady the night she went missing.  He and the others are in jail for a reason and whether it is for protection or because the authorities believe they know something they aren't telling, that is the case at this point.  Everything does point in the direction of these 3 young men.  Does that mean they are monsters and their parents don't deserve the same respect that Natalee's do?  No.  Anyway, my only point here is that we seem to have moved from infomation gathering and constructive theories and discussion to arguing over every little detail.  Goon squad had such good points in that post.  Basically saying that we don't really know much, but what we do know is pretty clear.  Natalee is missing and there are 3 people who pretty much have to know something about where she is or what happened to her.  Other than that, until we have more information, we are only beating our heads against a wall and it's making us all a little less friendly and a little more defensive.  I hope this will change and I hope Natalee comes home.  That's all.  You can beat me up now cause I'm too tired to fight back.   Laughing
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« Reply #1335 on: June 22, 2005, 02:08:56 AM »

*nods* I understand it is routine to leave purses and stuff at home. Like I said there is really to many facotrs to tell in that perticular sitituation.
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« Reply #1336 on: June 22, 2005, 02:08:57 AM »

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How are you i hope you and your family is fine.(NAME DELETED) is better i tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it will be a shock for you rightnow.
The missing girl natalee hollaway,I spoke to her , sunday she left with me , my brother and a friend from carlos n' charlies , it was my car like the news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news .
Let see where to start i don't even know where to begin these last days where so crazy for me i'm very tired haven't slept good in days : The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ). so they took a drink and started talking etc. about school, the vacation etc.etc.afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there.So that was in the casino i was not present , i was at work so my friend called me and said hey i met some girls in the casino and her friends and they want us to meet them in carlos tonight do you have to work tomorrow morning i said no , so he said pick me up later then i said ok. so i got off my shift at 10 pm and went home took a bath had to fix something and then me and my younger brother went to pick up my friend was around 12.10 am so i came to his home and was talked for like 15 min and then left to go to carlos (we all went out without or parents knew) so we arrived like 12.30 am in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance with her  my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she came up to my friend and asked why he won't dance with her , i only heared that part because i was talking to someone else so i don't know what he responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend. well they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe they' re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car and nobody was there so i started playing music and was waiting on my brother and my friend.i waited for like 10 min and then i saw my brother stepping in the car and my friend who was with natalee. so i was surprised but anyways i started the engine and my brother was besides me and my friend and natalee were in the backseet so i started cruising in the area and asked my friend whats going on so natalee responded to me ''hey its no prob let us just drive around and have fun its my last night , she said you can drop me off later at holiday inn anyways right'' i said sure why not so as i was drove out of the carlos road and got on the mainroad there were natalees friends and she , pushed het head out of the window and screamed something i can't recall.so i was driving very slow to make a left to get in the next road and then one of natalees friend screamed for her to get out of the car , and she refused so then i stopped my car and i said natalee if your friends want you to go with them its better you go listen to them and go with them , she said no i will stay with you guys i will get a lift from you anways later, so she said bye to her friends and i drove away, so then we were just talking etc, in the car and then she said she wanted to see sharks ,it was by the lighthouse she saw them before that can we go , my friend said ok ,deepak lets go. so on my my to the lighthouse there was music playing and noone talking for a while when i looked in the backmirror my friend and natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will ) so my brother siad just leave them for a while untill we get to the lighthouse, when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights) so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday inn for sure she is staying so my friend woke her up and confirmed with natalee she was staying at the holiday inn, so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am .monday i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok  so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him and said the police is at his home with some family members its about the girl you guys went out with yesterday , so my friend said wait there i be there, so we rushed at my friends home and there was the police and nataless family and it was a nightmare sinds then. the police asked us if we knew this girl showed us a picture we said yes thats her , they said she was missing and eyewitness say she was the last seen with you guys . so they asked a few more questions and we said we don't understand we left her at holiday inn lobby drive way how could she dissapear and then natalees stepfather jumped and said ''yes thats because after she went with you assholes she lost'' and then my friends father jumped and said thats enough you can't talk to the kids like that this is not the us your out of you juristiction this is not the way i want you people out of my yard i know the law (my friends father is e judge) so afterwards another family member of natalee suggested to the police if we can id the security gard we said ok. we went there there was no suck security working there as we discribed. so then we were just standing in the lobby there were questions etc. asked by other members , and then me and my friend walked to the car natalees mom was sitting and we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything with you daughter, she was crying and said i don't believe you 2 , i promise you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible.i went home 7 pm tuesday, i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother and my friend they were questionded and had to sign their statement also , the checked my car and i was clear to go , wednesday i was called again to show them how i drove the route that day ( i could refuse was my right i still decided to go , as did my brother and friend ) the drove us one by one and then we were free to go again.thursday morning my friend called me (he goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to leave and they did .so thats my part of the story yesterday and today it was quiet no treathen phoncalls what we got before and i won't mention the crazythings the newspapers etc. writes about us its to much to mention. at home my mom is losing it she is cryimg constantly , my dad bloodpressure got high also his hands are red , my friends home is a disaster also ,his mom is crying constantly also his dad is pretty cool he calmes us down and talks to us also not to worry , my brother is preety cool but on his face you see he is worried , my friend is pretty worried also. i'm pretty worried also , we have 2 lawyers one for my friend and one for me in case we get arrested and charched with something his dad can't defend hin he is a judge and he is too emotional attached .my friend has his graduation this thursday he has to go to the states in july he has a full scholarship. i had to go to vacation also end of this month.many politicians find we should be locked up rightnow.We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc, we were arrested and , my car is by the police we confessed to murder and rape, she went in a restaurant to buy food but none of those were true.So (name deleted) that was my part of the story what i said here is the same in my statement,people are saying they are bad guys lock them up , the family is going thru a lot righnow , but what they don't know how the other families feel and how they also have a reputation and carreers etc. because when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.they don't understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we have a problem we were the last seen with her . I lost a lot of friends who think we had to do something with this, many of my friends supported us also brought food etc. for us at home and know we are innocent, we are innocent also we promise i would NEVER hurt anyone in anyway, i would do every everything to help find her thats what we told eveyone also , i would take a bullet to save her and bring her back to her family if i had to so would my friend also.i would never never hurt anyone i'm a very happy and social person who likes to make friends with people and not hurting them
 
 
So (NAME DELETED) i will say goodbye now hope you believe me and i pray to god that they find natalee soon and find her well so that this nightmare ends  for all of us and they we prove we had nothing to do with this, i hope you pray for all of us say hi to everyone there hope to hear from you soon and may god bless.........
 
bye bye
 
Deepak.


Is there a reason to post this again and again?
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Nancy_drew thank you...I've been gone and wondered what the hub bub was about 2night....

This letter is a pure fake!...put it on "Word" or "FrontPage"...which I did...and then just read it...the syntax is so inconsistent an irregular and ....I won't go into it unless you want a full analysis beyond the obvious....do you het it?....It's a fraud....
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« Reply #1337 on: June 22, 2005, 02:09:00 AM »

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I wouldn't think it would be safe to leave passports and money or credit cards in a hotel room but that just might be me and something that these teenagers weren't advised about.


Passport and so on are a lot safer in a hotel room than in your purse when drinking. Also, many hotels have in room safes.
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« Reply #1338 on: June 22, 2005, 02:09:01 AM »

But every young lady in that respect  takes along make up and other little thingies when they go out , speaking from experience when I am going out with my girlfriend ( she is from argentina , might be different )

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ANOTHER QUESTION WHAT REALLY BEEN BUGGING ME FOR A LONG TIME WHY WOULD SHE LEAVE HER PURSE WITH REMAINING CASH IN HER HOTEL

ANYONE HAS TAUGHTS ON THAT

Yep, most young girls don't 'go out' (read: clubs, bars) with a purse. It's a hindrance, esp. when you want to go dancing, and esp. on vacation.

I know I just took enough cash in my pocket to pay for drinks and a cab (not too much in case I got robbed too lol).


I have never been a girl/woman at a bar Smile Seemed plausible.
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« Reply #1339 on: June 22, 2005, 02:09:16 AM »

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don't most modern casinos have tons of cameras especially at the tables to watch for cheating?......they could tell a story about that night....
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Absolutely.  I think I read they had Natalee and Joran on video at the casino.  Dont quote me though.


too late..youve been quoted Wink

the distance between the tattoo's mooring and the HI is less than a half mile, and then less than a quarter mile further north is the marriott beach area  -- for those of you that care -- i would assume/hope that tapes from all area hotels that night have been or are being reviewed


on a side note, tomorrow is the full moon and i have a strong feeling that we will get some answers for some reason
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