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« Reply #1340 on: June 22, 2005, 02:09:24 AM »

Where DOES my daughter stash her car keys, DL, and credit card?  Beats me.  Certainly not in a purse.  Very different from her mother whose purse contains life support items for an indefinite perioud of time.
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« Reply #1341 on: June 22, 2005, 02:10:02 AM »

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I recall seeing something on FOX either yesterday or today (forgive me, it's been a long one) where a local Aruban journalist and Greta were walking around town and at one point stood in front of the Kalpoe house. The journalist mentioned that the 2 younger boys attended the Intl school but that Deepak attended the highest form of schooling on the Island. I don't have the name of the school... sorry. But I do remember it being reported that the eldest boy was in school as well.

Yeah, Giovanni Lane is full of it LOL

21 and still in high school?  Hmmm, maybe Deepak's not too bright.

Or maybe Giovanni is talking out of his ass, such as the following exchange:

Greta: How long have Deepak and Steve Croes known each other?

Giovanni:  I don't know, but I would say about a year.

If you don't know, why would you guess and not provide any basis for that guesstimate?

I rest my case ;)


I recently communicated with an Aruban who knows the brothers and also taught both of them.  I will ask her about Depak's schooling.
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« Reply #1342 on: June 22, 2005, 02:10:27 AM »

Good point,

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don't most modern casinos have tons of cameras especially at the tables to watch for cheating?......they could tell a story about that night....
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Absolutely.  I think I read they had Natalee and Joran on video at the casino.  Dont quote me though.


too late..youve been quoted Wink

the distance between the tattoo's mooring and the HI is less than a half mile, and then less than a quarter mile further north is the marriott beach area  -- for those of you that care -- i would assume/hope that tapes from all area hotels that night have been or are being reviewed


on a side note, tomorrow is the full moon and i have a strong feeling that we will get some answers for some reason
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« Reply #1343 on: June 22, 2005, 02:10:38 AM »

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I wouldn't think it would be safe to leave passports and money or credit cards in a hotel room but that just might be me and something that these teenagers weren't advised about.

I was raised in the Caribbean, and have vacationed LOTS in the Caribbean.

You never, NEVER take your passport with you. Passports are a hot commodity, especially American ones.

They were very likely advised never to carry their passports, but rather check them in at the hotel's safety deposit box (the ones in the lobby, not in the room)
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« Reply #1344 on: June 22, 2005, 02:10:56 AM »

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I recall seeing something on FOX either yesterday or today (forgive me, it's been a long one) where a local Aruban journalist and Greta were walking around town and at one point stood in front of the Kalpoe house. The journalist mentioned that the 2 younger boys attended the Intl school but that Deepak attended the highest form of schooling on the Island. I don't have the name of the school... sorry. But I do remember it being reported that the eldest boy was in school as well.

Yeah, Giovanni Lane is full of it LOL

21 and still in high school?  Hmmm, maybe Deepak's not too bright.

Or maybe Giovanni is talking out of his ass, such as the following exchange:

Greta: How long have Deepak and Steve Croes known each other?

Giovanni:  I don't know, but I would say about a year.

If you don't know, why would you guess and not provide any basis for that guesstimate?

I rest my case Wink


so true! that man irks me every time he opens his mouth. he sure speculates alot on things he "doesn't know".

As to education for a 21 yr old... my interpretation was that it's some sort of college-level school. Is there a University on the island? 21 is not an unreasonable age for a college senior.
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« Reply #1345 on: June 22, 2005, 02:12:23 AM »

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I recall seeing something on FOX either yesterday or today (forgive me, it's been a long one) where a local Aruban journalist and Greta were walking around town and at one point stood in front of the Kalpoe house. The journalist mentioned that the 2 younger boys attended the Intl school but that Deepak attended the highest form of schooling on the Island. I don't have the name of the school... sorry. But I do remember it being reported that the eldest boy was in school as well.

Yeah, Giovanni Lane is full of it LOL

21 and still in high school?  Hmmm, maybe Deepak's not too bright.

Or maybe Giovanni is talking out of his ass, such as the following exchange:

Greta: How long have Deepak and Steve Croes known each other?

Giovanni:  I don't know, but I would say about a year.

If you don't know, why would you guess and not provide any basis for that guesstimate?

I rest my case ;)


I thought Deepak went to the technical college at night (or was it a regular college with night classes?) -- Colegio Arubano or something like that. Too tired to look it up.
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« Reply #1346 on: June 22, 2005, 02:13:02 AM »

So when Natalee made the statement to Joran about losing $360(?) dollars of her father's money...is that being interpreted to be over the entire time of their stay? And if so, this money she was geting from the ATM...do we heard how much?
Again, I have seen the photo of her outfit 100 times or more. Skirt and the blue/green top...on the beach in a group. So she carries only money and an ID with her in a pocket.
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« Reply #1347 on: June 22, 2005, 02:13:46 AM »

*nods* okie dokie Kerin. Smile
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« Reply #1348 on: June 22, 2005, 02:15:02 AM »

'nite all
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« Reply #1349 on: June 22, 2005, 02:16:06 AM »

If I remember correctly, poster seemed to imply that Colegio Arubano was one of the better public universities, going up to sixth year level.
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« Reply #1350 on: June 22, 2005, 02:16:19 AM »

I HAVE A SUGGESTION PERHAPS TOM AND RED AN ALL THE OTHER MONKEYS WOULD HELP ME SET IT UP. JUST IN ORDER TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS.

WE CAN SET UP A LIVE TRIAL ON THIS BLOG WHERE ONE PARTY IS THE PROSECUTER TEAM TRYING TO PROVE THAT JORAN AND FRIENDS ARE GUILTY WHILE THE OTHER PARTY MUST PROVE HIS INNOCENCE .

USING ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN GET FROM MSN AND THE FORUM


ANYONE LIKES THE IDEA ?
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« Reply #1351 on: June 22, 2005, 02:16:38 AM »

Colegio Arubano is a high school - reportedly the one Satish attended, also listed on his Tickle.com profile

Colegio = school in Spanish - I would expect it has the same meaning in papiamento

nancy, thanks in advance for investigating about Deepak's school background (btw, no school listed on his Tickle.com profile, but then again, not much info on anything else either on his).
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« Reply #1352 on: June 22, 2005, 02:17:08 AM »

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« Reply #1353 on: June 22, 2005, 02:17:16 AM »

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So when Natalee made the statement to Joran about losing $360(?) dollars of her father's money...is that being interpreted to be over the entire time of their stay? And if so, this money she was geting from the ATM...do we heard how much?
Again, I have seen the photo of her outfit 100 times or more. Skirt and the blue/green top...on the beach in a group. So she carries only money and an ID with her in a pocket.


Kerin thats what kicks the perverbial ass, "email" SAYS $360 no proof. Rumor of ATM no proof.
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« Reply #1354 on: June 22, 2005, 02:18:22 AM »

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Colegio Arubano is a high school - reportedly the one Satish attended, also listed on his Tickle.com profile

Colegio = school in Spanish - I would expect it has the same meaning in papiamento

nancy, thanks in advance for investigating about Deepak's school background (btw, no school listed on his Tickle.com profile, but then again, not much info on anything else either on his).


i KNOW FOR A FACT THAT ARUBA HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE THE SAME EXAMS AS DUTCH HIGH SCHOOLS , I THINK THAT DEPAK WENT TO A VMBO SCHOOL WHICH IS A LOW LEVEL FORM OF HIGH SCHOOL WHERE THEY TEACH YOU 6 SUBJECTS
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« Reply #1355 on: June 22, 2005, 02:18:45 AM »

You're right about Colegio...my bad.   But I still remember whoever it was posting differentiating between four year, five year, and six year schools.
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« Reply #1356 on: June 22, 2005, 02:19:16 AM »

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I HAVE A SUGGESTION PERHAPS TOM AND RED AN ALL THE OTHER MONKEYS WOULD HELP ME SET IT UP. JUST IN ORDER TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS.

WE CAN SET UP A LIVE TRIAL ON THIS BLOG WHERE ONE PARTY IS THE PROSECUTER TEAM TRYING TO PROVE THAT JORAN AND FRIENDS ARE GUILTY WHILE THE OTHER PARTY MUST PROVE HIS INNOCENCE .

USING ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN GET FROM MSN AND THE FORUM


ANYONE LIKES THE IDEA ?


I know this will sound strange coming from me. But I really don't think we have enough facts. If one were to be the defense atty. It would all be objected to.
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« Reply #1357 on: June 22, 2005, 02:19:35 AM »

Okay, this is a long post.  But I felt someone needed to provide some counterpoint to goon squad's sweeping, and erroneous assessment.  
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OkayÖ.a few differing opinions:

Point 1: ďAs I mentioned before, from the e-mail, Joran has placed himself and Natalee at the hotel at a fixed time of the evening - at which point the concert is simultaneously ongoing. Forget about the fact that Natalee actually met Joran at a blackjack table. If Natalee can be placed at the concert during the "blackjack time" defined by the e-mail, then this part of the story is a LIE. ď

Counterpoint 1: Iím not sure what your point is here.  Her good friends said tonight that she met him at a blackjack table Sunday afternoon and then invited him to CnCs.  The concert was from 7 to 11, plenty of time to meet Joran beforehand.  This seems to be a FACT.

Point 2: According to the e-mail, Joran and the Kalpoes reached C&C's at approx. 12:30. Based on the story told, Deepak bought drinks, had a conversation, and left before the bar closed, which has him staying for less than 30 minutes. The C&C official statement suggests an 11:30PM arrival time for the people on the trip. One friend in tonight;s GVS interview stated she was gone one hour prior to closing. If you believe her friend, then this part of the e-mail story is a LIE.

Counterpoint 2:  What is the discrepancy?  If the place closes at 1 am, and the girlfriend left one hour before closing, she would have left at midnight.  What part of the story is a lie?  It could well be a FACT.

Point 3:  According to Mr. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00PM. Based on the e-mail, there has to be a logical way that Joran was at the casino, talked to Natalee, called his friends, and went to McDonald's. If not, then Joran, Paulus, and/or Deepak are LYING.

Counterpoint 3:  What is wrong with this timeline?  Natís friends said they met in the afternoon.  He obviously had plenty of time to meet Natalee in the afternoon, call Deepak to arrange the meeting later that night (Deepak got off at 10 pmper e-mail), call his Dad at 11 pm.  Deepak said he picked him up at 12:10.  It all fits and could well be FACT.

Point 4: According to the e-mail, there's, at most, a 75 minute window to complete all of the events in the drive. If it started before 1:00 AM, that cuts down the already short time in the bar further. If it started after 1:00 AM, the window for the drive shrinks. If either one does not make logical sense, then it's a LIE.

Counterpoint 4:  Deepak says they left at 1 am, drove to the lighthouse (at most 15 miles one way, 30 miles round trip) and dropped Nat off at 2:15 am.  Seems completely feasible that they could drive roundtrip to the lighthouse, with no traffic, in 75 minutes.  Could well be FACT, we don't know.

Point 5: According to Ms. VDS as stated by Greta tonight, Joran told his mother that he left Natalee on the beach. (N.B.: No statement that Natalee was asleep, as stated in the MSNBC story yesterday). Ms. VDS has also said (can't remember if it was this interview or in a wire article) that guards prevent her from discussing the case with Joran during her visits to the prison. Therefore, Joran said this to his mother at some point prior to his detention. Meanwhile, the e-mail says that Joran and the Kalpoes dropped off Natalee at the HI. Not only is this a clear instance of a LIE by Joran and/or Deepak concerning the last moment Natalee was seen, it occurred prior to their detention, with its prolonged periods of intense interrogation.

Counterpoint 5:  It is a well known fact that when people are interrogated incessantly they begin to change their stories to match up with what the authorities want them to say. LE use this technique to gain false confessions all the time. After 11 straight hours of interrogation, it is possible that is what happened.  Even if the first version was a lie (which I tend to believe given the lack of video tape evidence), it is possible that they did leave her at the beach, eg somewhere near the HI or Marriott and something else happened to her.  

Point 6: According to the e-mail, at the last moment he saw Natalee, Deepak saw a black-shirted man with a walkie-talkie speak to Natalee. There is no evidence of this man, who was standing in front of the lobby, or this conversation. This portion of the e-mail, the "bottom" of the alibi, so to speak, is UNPROVEN.

Counterpoint 6:  Similarly, the lack of evidence does not make it untrue.  Someone could literally be getting away with murder.
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« Reply #1358 on: June 22, 2005, 02:20:28 AM »

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I HAVE A SUGGESTION PERHAPS TOM AND RED AN ALL THE OTHER MONKEYS WOULD HELP ME SET IT UP. JUST IN ORDER TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS.

WE CAN SET UP A LIVE TRIAL ON THIS BLOG WHERE ONE PARTY IS THE PROSECUTER TEAM TRYING TO PROVE THAT JORAN AND FRIENDS ARE GUILTY WHILE THE OTHER PARTY MUST PROVE HIS INNOCENCE .

USING ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN GET FROM MSN AND THE FORUM


ANYONE LIKES THE IDEA ?


Isn't that what we are doing !  LOL  Wink
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« Reply #1359 on: June 22, 2005, 02:20:43 AM »

Natalee did not change her clothes going to C&C she used the same clotes as she wore on the beach that day is that right ?


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So when Natalee made the statement to Joran about losing $360(?) dollars of her father's money...is that being interpreted to be over the entire time of their stay? And if so, this money she was geting from the ATM...do we heard how much?
Again, I have seen the photo of her outfit 100 times or more. Skirt and the blue/green top...on the beach in a group. So she carries only money and an ID with her in a pocket.


Kerin thats what kicks the perverbial ass, "email" SATS $360 no proof. Rumor of ATM no proof.
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