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« Reply #1400 on: June 22, 2005, 02:53:05 AM »

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TG, my post was in reply to your sentence about them changing their story. What I am saying is that IF they really did change stories (do we REALLY have facts on this?) then maybe they did so after the constant pressure from LE? Joran's mom stated to GVS that Joran had been interrogated over 11 hours per day sometimes. That's all I meant...


Thanks for clarifying.  I see what you mean now.
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« Reply #1401 on: June 22, 2005, 02:53:47 AM »

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- If JVDS really snuck out on a school night, and was supposedly held to a curfew on school nights...why would his Father tell authorities that he was out playing poker somewhere? How would he know?


Joran was not questioned until the next day. It was when the police came to question him that his father made this statement. He had taken his finals the day before.
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« Reply #1402 on: June 22, 2005, 02:55:19 AM »

TY CALIGIRL.....



I'm outtie!!  LOL   Razz


Night all, thanks for listening....
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« Reply #1403 on: June 22, 2005, 02:55:38 AM »

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I think those e-mails are fake also.  
Explaining step by step what he was doing that night seems awfully suspicious to me.

Why would he feel the need to write so much to convince a friend that he is innocent?  "Guilty concience"  (I can't spell it).

Is there anything in there that someone reading this
site couldn't come up with?  This is an honest question.

I don't think innocent people have to change there story.


I am not defending the 3 but there are many many cases of people who are innocent and have been, after expert interrogation...(i.e. good cop/bad cop stuff) coerced into confessing to crimes they did not commit.


AF**KINMEN!

How many people have confessed to crimes due to too much stress and harshful interegations? MANY.
How many are still being freed because of DNA proving their confessions to be false or coerced? MANY
Why are their laws protecting those accussed of crimes? Because you can only convict a gulty person of evidence. Not hearsay, not because you think they did something, have a hunch or anything of the sort but because you saw evidence.

This whole case has been nothing but drama. Not one, and I will repeat one damn person can tell the truth and I will include, Natalee's friends who were on TV night. Throw stones at me I don't care, I had to say it cause I am tired of the endless meaningless finger-pointing.

If you want to have theories go for it. You want to discuss evidence, stories or what not, go for it. But for the love of gawd, the only person who absolutely has the right to judge someone, is the biggest judge of all GOD.


Out of curiosity when have natalee's friends lied on TV?


Tonite, on FOX with Greta.


What was it specifically?


Not only do we have mass (alleged) versions of the suspects stories, we now have..I think 3 totally different conflicting making no sense statements from students on the trip and now Natalee's close friends.
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« Reply #1404 on: June 22, 2005, 02:57:59 AM »

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I think those e-mails are fake also.  
Explaining step by step what he was doing that night seems awfully suspicious to me.

Why would he feel the need to write so much to convince a friend that he is innocent?  "Guilty concience"  (I can't spell it).

Is there anything in there that someone reading this
site couldn't come up with?  This is an honest question.

I don't think innocent people have to change there story.


I am not defending the 3 but there are many many cases of people who are innocent and have been, after expert interrogation...(i.e. good cop/bad cop stuff) coerced into confessing to crimes they did not commit.


AF**KINMEN!

How many people have confessed to crimes due to too much stress and harshful interegations? MANY.
How many are still being freed because of DNA proving their confessions to be false or coerced? MANY
Why are their laws protecting those accussed of crimes? Because you can only convict a gulty person of evidence. Not hearsay, not because you think they did something, have a hunch or anything of the sort but because you saw evidence.

This whole case has been nothing but drama. Not one, and I will repeat one damn person can tell the truth and I will include, Natalee's friends who were on TV night. Throw stones at me I don't care, I had to say it cause I am tired of the endless meaningless finger-pointing.

If you want to have theories go for it. You want to discuss evidence, stories or what not, go for it. But for the love of gawd, the only person who absolutely has the right to judge someone, is the biggest judge of all GOD.


Out of curiosity when have natalee's friends lied on TV?


Tonite, on FOX with Greta.


What was it specifically?


Not only do we have mass (alleged) versions of the suspects stories, we now have..I think 3 totally different conflicting making no sense statements from students on the trip and now Natalee's close friends.


I hate to be bothersome, but could you point out specifically what these are or where I can find a post that talks about it?
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« Reply #1405 on: June 22, 2005, 02:58:28 AM »

<<Counterpoint 1: Iím not sure what your point is here. Her good friends said tonight that she met him at a blackjack table Sunday afternoon and then invited him to CnCs. The concert was from 7 to 11, plenty of time to meet Joran beforehand. This seems to be a FACT. >>

The e-mail says: "The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino...after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee."   According to the e-mail, the first meeting was on Sunday night, not in the afternoon.  If she is at the concert at this time, then this is a lie.

<<Counterpoint 3: What is wrong with this timeline? Natís friends said they met in the afternoon. He obviously had plenty of time to meet Natalee in the afternoon, call Deepak to arrange the meeting later that night (Deepak got off at 10 pmper e-mail), call his Dad at 11 pm. Deepak said he picked him up at 12:10. It all fits and could well be FACT. >>

Again, the e-mail maintains that the initial meeting occurred Sunday night.

<<Counterpoint 4: Deepak says they left at 1 am, drove to the lighthouse (at most 15 miles one way, 30 miles round trip) and dropped Nat off at 2:15 am. Seems completely feasible that they could drive roundtrip to the lighthouse, with no traffic, in 75 minutes. Could well be FACT, we don't know.>>

The e-mail does not conclusively state that they left at 1AM.  Deepak says he left before closing and waited at his car for ten minutes.

<<Counterpoint 5: It is a well known fact that when people are interrogated incessantly they begin to change their stories to match up with what the authorities want them to say. LE use this technique to gain false confessions all the time. After 11 straight hours of interrogation, it is possible that is what happened. Even if the first version was a lie (which I tend to believe given the lack of video tape evidence), it is possible that they did leave her at the beach, eg somewhere near the HI or Marriott and something else happened to her. >>

The contradictory statements occurred independent of incessant interrogation.  In fact, they do not result from interrogation at all.


I've got at least one big lie, and I don't have a complete alibi.  That's a major credibility problem, in my opinion.
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« Reply #1406 on: June 22, 2005, 02:58:54 AM »

{{{{{{{{{{{{{CALI}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

thought you may need that, GF  Very Happy
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« Reply #1407 on: June 22, 2005, 03:01:18 AM »

OK kids...here's the 2nd replay NOW for the On the Record show with GRETA...watch the opening with the guy who speaks about the "other" side....I was told to watch it from a reliable sourse..."


WATCH anyway...
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« Reply #1408 on: June 22, 2005, 03:01:19 AM »

Kerin and Cali,

I can't do this all again.

I may watch for a bit but this is my last post til the AM.

Cali your facts are straight. At least as straight as this mess can be.
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« Reply #1409 on: June 22, 2005, 03:01:26 AM »

goodnight all, almost time for 3am greta re-run......looking forward to tomorrows full moon and some positive answers
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« Reply #1410 on: June 22, 2005, 03:02:25 AM »

sweet dreams, Absolut....
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« Reply #1411 on: June 22, 2005, 03:03:56 AM »

Gee whiz CaliGirl, you're still up?
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« Reply #1412 on: June 22, 2005, 03:04:55 AM »

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Kerin and Cali,

I can't do this all again.

I may watch for a bit but this is my last post til the AM.

Cali your facts are straight. At least as straight as this mess can be.


Thank you absolut!

Nite hun!
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« Reply #1413 on: June 22, 2005, 03:05:01 AM »

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You're right. And spent many years in jail as a result until DNA or dedicated attorney finally rights the wrong. It's a lot easier than you think to confess to something you didn't do under intense and illegal interrogation.. That's why more and more jurisdictions now require video taping of interrogations.


That's true. I don't know if Aruba does that. It's hard enough getting US police/authorities to do it.
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« Reply #1414 on: June 22, 2005, 03:05:44 AM »

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Gee whiz CaliGirl, you're still up?


Yeah, even had to leave for awhile to collect myself! lol
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« Reply #1415 on: June 22, 2005, 03:05:56 AM »

when they are leaving that house and Mrs Van der Sloot rubs Mrs. Holloways back and then kisses her cheek...and poor Mrs. Holloway has her head hung low, obviously so worn out and distraught...they both are....well all I can say is
these are 2 moms that are hurting and today they got to feel each others pain first hand. I hope in pain there can be some healing...as far as them being able to at least be civil to one another.
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« Reply #1416 on: June 22, 2005, 03:07:43 AM »

Night all,

Last thought I never noticed this the first 2 times on greta. GRETA is tired too. Her eyes are red too just like mine.
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« Reply #1417 on: June 22, 2005, 03:09:18 AM »

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when they are leaving that house and Mrs Van der Sloot rubs Mrs. Holloways back and then kisses her cheek...and poor Mrs. Holloway has her head hung low, obviously so worn out and distraught...they both are....well all I can say is
these are 2 moms that are hurting and today they got to feel each others pain first hand. I hope in pain there can be some healing...as far as them being able to at least be civil to one another.


it's my 2nd time seeing that...my take is if they had had a "come to Jesus with resolution," they would have met eye-to-eye...Mrs VDS was willing to do that....Mrs Twilly gave her right cheek, but did you notice her eyes were turned down and there wasn't any eye contact with Mrs. VDS...
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« Reply #1418 on: June 22, 2005, 03:10:32 AM »

DT

Natalee's best friend's and roomates made the following statements:

Natalee met Joran the same day she disappeared at the casino where introduced herself. (Not true) (Was first established and backed by her mother that Natalee had met him a couple days prior) (She could not have met him at the casino the same day because she was verified to be at the festival) (The reported scuffle could have not tkaen place then and the kid who did the interview about the scuffle would have to be lying which I doubt)

They stated they left at 12:30 before the club closed. (Already been verified that Natalee was last seen at 1:30 am)

They did not see her with Joran outside of the club. (Already verified because if she wasn't seen outside the club with Joran then Joran was not the last person seen with her)

They made a faux pax and stated they saw her leave in a taxi, then about 30 seconds later you heard, I mean car.

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« Reply #1419 on: June 22, 2005, 03:11:21 AM »

Nite all. Over and out.

Praying for Natalee.
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