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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2005, 06:36:53 PM »

Dash said that she saw her when they were all leaving the bar...she said Natalee's eyes looked heavy....kinda wierd...but she was not drunk...

this tells me that either she was EXTREMELY TIRED...or had some type of DRUG in her....most likely it was put in her drink without her knowledge

RUMOR is ...that Joran is an X dealer....so makes me think that this could be some type of drug crime....obviously the crime of giving her a drug...but also, maybe one of his suppliers took her.....hence the RUMOR that she was taken against her will ....somebody said they saw that happening..RUMOR

dunno...head still hurting from the translation Confused
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2005, 06:37:07 PM »

Pardon me.  What time will the Greta Mrs. Twitty VDS special be on tonight?  I am on the east coast.  Shocked
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2005, 06:37:37 PM »

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Pardon me.  What time will the Greta Mrs. Twitty VDS special be on tonight?  I am on the east coast.  Shocked

10 PM EST
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2005, 06:38:53 PM »

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maybe joran accidentally drugged himself....


well I bet there was some little sometin sometin being smoked.......or he could have even been doing some X
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2005, 06:39:16 PM »

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Dash said that she saw her when they were all leaving the bar...she said Natalee's eyes looked heavy....kinda wierd...but she was not drunk...

this tells me that either she was EXTREMELY TIRED...or had some type of DRUG in her....most likely it was put in her drink without her knowledge

RUMOR is ...that Joran is an X dealer....so makes me think that this could be some type of drug crime....obviously the crime of giving her a drug...but also, maybe one of his suppliers took her.....hence the RUMOR that she was taken against her will ....somebody said they saw that happening..RUMOR

dunno...head still hurting from the translation Confused


one thing x makes you stay up, not pass out.. so if he access to X, he has access to other underground party drugs, some of which can  kill in small doses. alotta those drugs are meant for animals....
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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2005, 06:40:16 PM »

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Pardon me.  What time will the Greta Mrs. Twitty VDS special be on tonight?  I am on the east coast.  Shocked

10 PM EST


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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2005, 06:40:18 PM »

right Rob, like special K...........ketamine
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2005, 06:40:34 PM »

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I'll wait for someone who speaks papiamento to translate the article...
but the title reads something along the lines of "A crisis blown out of proportion"

Doesn't give me a good feeling at all  Confused


I can read the spanish part, and my take is the crisis out of proportion is people worrying about the tourist industry in Aruba, towards the end of the article he mentions how he studied in the US.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2005, 06:40:44 PM »

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Dash said that she saw her when they were all leaving the bar...she said Natalee's eyes looked heavy....kinda wierd...but she was not drunk...

this tells me that either she was EXTREMELY TIRED...or had some type of DRUG in her....most likely it was put in her drink without her knowledge

RUMOR is ...that Joran is an X dealer....so makes me think that this could be some type of drug crime....obviously the crime of giving her a drug...but also, maybe one of his suppliers took her.....hence the RUMOR that she was taken against her will ....somebody said they saw that happening..RUMOR

dunno...head still hurting from the translation Confused


e thing x makes you stay up, not pass out.. so if he access to X, he has access to other underground party drugs, some of which can  kill in small doses. alotta those drugs are meant for animals....


But if it's mixed with alcohol? Does it still make you stay up?
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2005, 06:41:36 PM »

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right Rob, like special K...........

right , you know...an underground drug culture would not like to be seen, however if there is a crime that has been committed, they may decide to off a coupke of witness, as to protect their business..
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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2005, 06:42:09 PM »

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Just watched MSNBC news brief and they said there is now polygraph equipment on the island and if all parties agree, they may use it. Maybe this is old news -- apologies if it is. Gotta get back to work. <eom>


The FBI and polygraphs go hand in hand. From what I've read in news reports from Aruba with Aruban legal types, polygraphs are illegal. If the judge in the case finds out a polygraph was used then the case gets thrown out of court. Shocked


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A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.


This may well be true if the VdS' let Greta & BHT in for a 90 min chat. If the kid took a polygraph (and I'm making an assumption that since polys aren't used in the Dutch system, that the kid may not know they can be circumvented), it may have shown he's telling all he knows????????


I took a polygraph exam before, and there were no "cream or wires" Wink
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2005, 06:42:27 PM »

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Dash said that she saw her when they were all leaving the bar...she said Natalee's eyes looked heavy....kinda wierd...but she was not drunk...

this tells me that either she was EXTREMELY TIRED...or had some type of DRUG in her....most likely it was put in her drink without her knowledge

RUMOR is ...that Joran is an X dealer....so makes me think that this could be some type of drug crime....obviously the crime of giving her a drug...but also, maybe one of his suppliers took her.....hence the RUMOR that she was taken against her will ....somebody said they saw that happening..RUMOR

dunno...head still hurting from the translation Confused


e thing x makes you stay up, not pass out.. so if he access to X, he has access to other underground party drugs, some of which can  kill in small doses. alotta those drugs are meant for animals....


But if it's mixed with alcohol? Does it still make you stay up?


you would be able to drink more...
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2005, 06:44:08 PM »

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Dash said that she saw her when they were all leaving the bar...she said Natalee's eyes looked heavy....kinda wierd...but she was not drunk...

this tells me that either she was EXTREMELY TIRED...or had some type of DRUG in her....most likely it was put in her drink without her knowledge

RUMOR is ...that Joran is an X dealer....so makes me think that this could be some type of drug crime....obviously the crime of giving her a drug...but also, maybe one of his suppliers took her.....hence the RUMOR that she was taken against her will ....somebody said they saw that happening..RUMOR

dunno...head still hurting from the translation Confused


e thing x makes you stay up, not pass out.. so if he access to X, he has access to other underground party drugs, some of which can  kill in small doses. alotta those drugs are meant for animals....


But if it's mixed with alcohol? Does it still make you stay up?


I had a friend that did it once in college, we couldn't figure out what was wrong with her.  She was drinking as well.  She did not pass out from it.  I would describe her as acting more drunk, kind of slow, and moving her mouth constantly, but not passed out.  I would guess that you could have a bad reaction to it, but that's what I witnessed.
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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2005, 06:44:39 PM »

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first of all, i know for a fact that there is an xtacy problem, so dont tell me that there is no one collecting the money. free xtacy.hahahahaha.. youre not paying attention....


right i think you have that part right, I just think this is a boy who thinks he is a playa, playing with somone's life. I dont' think it has anything to do with the columbian neckties.



 and that is based on?

I was living in S.F. Haight Ashbury in the '60's and early '70's and I can attest to the fact a lot of us "kids" were "well connected" in circles that we had no idea how dangerous it was or what could happen. We just thought we were sooooo cool! Times have changed from then and now to be sure, it is a lot more dangerous now.....but kids still want to be "cool" That never changes. There is alot going on on these islands that are very dangerous whether linked to this particular case or not.
Not much is out of the realm that goes on on these islands. JMHO
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2005, 06:44:51 PM »

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But if it's mixed with alcohol? Does it still make you stay up?


As far as I know there`s a lot of "junk" X circle around also, and I`ve heard that when it is mixed with alcohol you are not up, but you could be very wel desorientated.

( by the way not my own experience but what I heard here in Holland  Smile )
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2005, 06:44:56 PM »

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Dash said that she saw her when they were all leaving the bar...she said Natalee's eyes looked heavy....kinda wierd...but she was not drunk...

this tells me that either she was EXTREMELY TIRED...or had some type of DRUG in her....most likely it was put in her drink without her knowledge

RUMOR is ...that Joran is an X dealer....so makes me think that this could be some type of drug crime....obviously the crime of giving her a drug...but also, maybe one of his suppliers took her.....hence the RUMOR that she was taken against her will ....somebody said they saw that happening..RUMOR

dunno...head still hurting from the translation Confused


Pretty much fits the theory I subscribe to. Only Croes is the dealer (that's his connection) Deepak slipped the rufie in Natalees drink. Natalee died from the drugs. Shocked
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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2005, 06:45:13 PM »

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Just watched MSNBC news brief and they said there is now polygraph equipment on the island and if all parties agree, they may use it. Maybe this is old news -- apologies if it is. Gotta get back to work. <eom>


The FBI and polygraphs go hand in hand. From what I've read in news reports from Aruba with Aruban legal types, polygraphs are illegal. If the judge in the case finds out a polygraph was used then the case gets thrown out of court. Shocked


From http://www.riehlworldview.com/

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A source on the island tells me that he has confirmed that Joran was seen having a cream and wires attached to him in his location at the jail this evening and his interrogation continues while the two Kalpoe brothers have been taken to the prison, as has been previously reported.


This may well be true if the VdS' let Greta & BHT in for a 90 min chat. If the kid took a polygraph (and I'm making an assumption that since polys aren't used in the Dutch system, that the kid may not know they can be circumvented), it may have shown he's telling all he knows????????


There is no "cream" involved in taking a polygraph.  The machine measures perspiration, blood pressure and breathing.  No electrodes or whatever that stuff is that you see in hospitals.

Oh, and BTW, they don't work!  I know from experience.  They are good tools against those that are guilty and can be pressured into a confession.  The reason that the rest of the world doesn't use them is because they know they are useless.  Two countries in the entire world use them, the US and Isreal.
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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2005, 06:45:29 PM »

Special K = ?
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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2005, 06:45:55 PM »

if ms twitty is correct and natalee was at jvds house, then that narrows the time line to only 2 hours when natalee was unaccounted for....
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2005, 06:46:32 PM »

THIS IS AS FAR AS I CAN GO RIGHT NOW.  SOUNDS LIKE PROPAGANDA.  IT IS ENOUGH TO GET AN IDEA.  NOT PERFECT.  WHAT A LANGUAGE.  I THINK IT IS CLOSEST TO LADINO, THE LANGUAGE OF THE JEWS EXILED FROM SPAIN BY THE INQUISITION, SOME OF WHOM ENDED UP IN THE ANTILLES.  

UN CRISIS FUERA DI PROPORCION!
A CRISIS OUT OF PROPORTION

Sin cu nos tabata kier ni a buske, Aruba a haya su mes den un luz basta negativo durante e ultimo dos simannan, pa motibo di un caso cu ta sigui mantene nos atencion claba riba dje.  WITHOUT WANTING OR LOOKING FOR IT ARUBA FINDS ITSELF IN A PRETTY NEGATIVE LIGHT THE LAST TWO WEEKS BECAUSE OF A CASE THAT CAPTIVATES OUR ATTENTION.  

E tin e apariencia di no ta bayendo ningun caminda, cu el a stanca, cu e speranza di haya Natalee cu bida ta menguando. Hopi hende, tanto local como stranhero, a buske tur caminda sin exito. A usa ekiponan sofistica y cachonan experto den localiza curpanan dera sin resultadonan positivo. E mucha muher ta sigui desapareci, el a somenta sin laga hueya, creando un misterio cu ta bayendo pa largo.

IT APPEARS IT IS NOT GOING WELL, THAT IT IS STAGNATED.  THE HOPE OF FINDING NATALEE ALIVE IS DISAPPEARING.  HOPE IS FADING BOTH LOCAL AND FOREIGN AS THE SEARCH GOES ON WITHOUT SUCCESS THAT THE SEACH IS WITHOUT SUCCESS.  SOPHISTICATED EQUIPMENT  AND DOGS THAT FIND BODIES ARE WITHOUT POSITIVE RESULT.  THE GIRL IS STILL DISAPPEARED WITHOUT A TRACE CREATING A MYSTERY THAT GOES ON TOO LONG.
   
Ta unda a keda nos pa buske? E lo ta scondi den algun cas, protegi pa algun amigo o conocido, of e ta ser reteni contra su voluntad pa cualke grupo iregular? E por a yega Merca? No ta importa si el a laga su pasaporte atras, pasobra Americanonan por sali di Aruba cu cualke carchi di identificacion manera rijbewijs, carchi di seguro social, o certificado di nacimento.

WHERE CAN WE LOOK THAT HAS NOT BEEN SEARCHED?  IS SHE HIDDEN IN SOME HOUSE, PROTECTED BY SOME FRIEND OR ACQUAINTANCE OR IS SHE BEING HELD AGAINST HER WILL BY SOME IRREGULAR GROUP?  IT IS NOT IMPORTANT THAT SHE LEFT HER PASSPORT BEHIND.  AN AMERICAN CAN LEAVE ARUBA ON ANY ID, DRIVERS LICENCE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD OR BIRTH CERTIFICATE

E por ta na Venezuela o Colombia? E ta improbable, pero semper e posibilidad ey ta keda existi. Cu un lancha rapido bo por yega e costa mas cercano di Falcon den mey hora. Si e ta na bida ainda, di con no por a haye cu tanto esfuerzo cu a ser desplega y tanto voluntario cu a rondea den delaster pida mondi y costa na Aruba? Y si e ta morto, pakico no por a localiza ni rastro di su restonan?

IS SHE IN VENEZUELA OR COLOMBIA?  IT IS NOT PROBABLE BUT THERE  IS ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY.   A FAST BOAT CAN ARRIVE IN FALCON IN A HALF HOUR.  IF SHE IS STILL ALIVE, WHY CAN'T SHE BE FOUND WITH THE MASSIVE EFORT AND SO MANY VOLUNTEERS SEARCHING THE HILLS AND COAST OF ARUBA.  AND IF DEAD, WHY IS THERE NO TRACE OF HER REMAINS?  

Cu e caso aki por afecta turismo? Claro cu si, pero esey no ta nos preocupacion primordial. Loke tin nos angustia ta Natalee mes. Cualke caida den turismo nos por recupera, pero Natalee ta keda iremplazable! Ta e factor humano ta ocupa nos mentenan y curazonnan, pasobra e parti material, o sea turismo, nos por remedia. Ta e dolor di su famia nos ta comparti, ta e angustia di e mayornan a acapara nos compasion.

COULD THE CASE AFFECT ON TOURISM?  SURELY BUT THAT IS NOT THE MAIN CONCERN.  WE WILL RECOVER FROM ANY DROP IN TOURISM.  BUT NATALEE WILL REMAIN IRREPLACEABLE.  IT IS THE HUMAN FACTOR THAT OCCUPIES OUR MINDS AND HEARTS ABOVE THE MATERIAL CONCERNS, OR TOURISM, WHICH WE CAN REPAIR.  WE SHARE THE PAIN OF THE FAMILY AND THEIR AGONY CAPTURES OUR COMPASSION.  

ta conserva e opinion cu ni maske cuanto hende pinta Aruba preto na Merca, semper tin otronan cu ta defende nos isla pasobra nan conoce y nan sa cu Aruba ta keda un di e lugarnan mas sigur na mundo.  

THE FACT REMAINS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY PAINTS ARUBA BLACK IN THE MARKET, THERE IS ALWAYS ANOTHER WHO KNOWS ARUBA REMAINS ONE OF THE SAFEST PLACES IN THE WORLD.  

No ta e beyeza di nos beachnan so a yama e atencion di e turistanan cu ta bishita nos isla repetidamente y den gran cantidad, ta e calidad humano di nos poblacion a conkista nan curazonnan.

IT IS NOT JUST THE BEAUTIFUL BEACHES THAT ATTRACT ATTENTION  OF TOURISTS WHO VISIT OVER AND OVER AGIN AND IN LARGE NUMBERS BUT ALSO THE HUMAN QUALITY OF OUR POPULATION WHICH CONQUEST THEIR HEARTS

 Ta e trato cu nan a ricibi di nos hendenan a haya eco den nan sentimentonan, pesey awor nan ta recompensa nos cu nan palabranan cari¤oso; cu nan defensanan na fabor di nos isla; cu nan protestanan publico contra esnan cu sin conoce nos isla o nos pueblo ta asina dispuesto di expresa opinionnan negativo sin e aval di realidad.

THE TREATMENT THEY RECEIVE FINDS ECHO IN THEIR SENTIMENTS  AND IS COMPENSATED IN THEIR AFFECTIONATE WORDS WHICH DEFEND THE ISLAND AND PROTEST PUBLICLY AGAINST THOSE WHO WITHOUT KNOWING THE ISLAND EXPRESS NEGATIVE OPINIONS WITHOUT THE BACKING OF REALITY.  

Pasobra Aruba no ta un lugar unda criminalidad tin un incidencia halto, un caso manera esaki por a logra tanto atencion den exterior. E ta un incidente aisla, perpetra pa elemento(nan) aheno na nos cultura, na nos disposicion pacifico, na nos caracter amplio, abierto, y decente como Pueblo.

BECAUSE ARUBA IS NOT A PLACE WITH A HIGH CRIME RATE, ONE CASE LIKE THIS ONE CAN GRAB ATTENTION OVERSEAS.  IT IS AN ISOLATED INCIDEN  PERPETRATED BY ELEMENTS ALIEN TO OUR CULTURE, OUR PEACEFUL DISPOSITION OUR AMPLE CHARACTER, OPEN AND DECENT AS A PEOPLE

 
E ta ademas, un caso lora den nubianan di misterio cada vez mas denso, menos penetrable hasta pa e wowonan mas experto den e mundo policial y investigativo. Esaki ta un desaparicion cu no a laga evidencianan palpable, algo solido riba cual Polis por traha.

Fuera di esey, mi tin entendi cu e detenidonan no ta bisando nada adicional, sino simplemente cu nan a laga Natalee (cu o sin Joran) riba e tereno un tiki panoord di Marriott hotel. E storia aki nan ta sigui ripiti cu insistencia, aunke tin tambe varios discrepancia den nan declaracionnan.

Pa loke ta trata e eficiencia di nos cuerpo Policial, no laga ningun hende ga¤a nan mes: e ta di e mihornan den nos region, y sigur uno cu nos por bisa cu conviccion di ta hopi profesional.

Nos cu a sigui nan actividadnan durante e ultimo 25 a¤anan di cerca por bisa den voz halto cu ta trata di un cuerpo policial cu tin un integridad grandi, y esey ta descarta cualke posibilidad di un tapamento o un complicidad basa riba amistad cu un of otro familiar di cualke un di e detenidonan.

Den mi buki di tur e hechonan delictivo cu a tuma lugar riba nos isla durante e ultimo 25 a¤anan, e actuacionnan certero di e Cuerpo Policial di Aruba ta skirbi cu leternan di oro!

E caso di Natalee a pone nos den un crisis emocional grandi, y otronan cu no conoce nos isla y no sa con nos Pueblo ta razona, a convirtie den un crisis publicitario fuera di tur proporcion.

Na Aruba no ta existi criminalnan cu ta cana rond pa inventa maldad na cada paso; nos no tin e sicopatanan cu ta pasa man pa un revolver y ta cuminza dispara pa loco contra hendenan inocente; Aruba ta un isla trankilo, yen di humanismo y consideracion pa e bienestar di otronan.

Pesey, na nomber di tur loke ta husto, ta tempo pa e imagen negativo cu voluntariamente of involuntariamente a ser crea di nos isla pa algun medio di comunicacion cu no tabata sa mes unda Aruba ta keda, ser coregi.

Ta pesey tambe cu algun di nos a acepta pa duna declaracionnan na un of otro canal di television Mericano, no pa busca fama o crea un imagen cu lo desaparece hunto cu e regreso di e medionan ey, sino pa purba contraresta e da¤o cu a ser causa pa e misterio aki.

No ta kedami nada otro di bisa sino cu mi ta spera cu Natalee ta bibo y cu e lo haya e caminda di regreso pa su cas, su famianan y su amigonan na Birmingham, ciudad cu mi conoce bon, y e Pueblo di Alabama cu, segun mi experiencia personal na e Estado ey, ta igual na esun di nos den e grandeza di su curazon y su sentido di compasion.

Al fin y al cabo mi a studia y a gradua na Mobile, Alabama, y por papia cu cierto autoridad di e cualidadnan humano di su Pueblo. No ban yega na conclusionnan ekiboca tocante esey djis pasobra un canal sin importancia ni alcance nacional, a hinca den su cabez pa haci un yamado pa un boycot cu no ta bay haya oido ni acogida den e resto di e poblacion Americano, y cu no ta ahusta su mes tampoco na e concepto Americano di "fair play.”

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