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« Reply #360 on: June 21, 2005, 09:06:46 PM »

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Quote from: "Scott"
From all accounts, it seems JVDS hooked up regularly.  It didn't take him maliciously slipping something into girls' drinks for them to willingly have sex with him.  With the volume of international media exposure on this case, I have to believe, by now, that any American girl that JVDS drugged and raped would have come forward.  

What is the likelihood, however, of a girl reporting a rape if she knowingly, voluntarily took a drug like ecstasy while in his company?

80% of the world's ecstasy comes from the Netherlands and Belgium.  With daily flights from Amsterdam, the Aruban market is fully saturated with pure X, unlike what is sold in many cities in the US.

With NH's classmates on the trip remaining silent, and knowing that JVDS hung out at the HI for a good part of the week, and a large number of the kids pulled an all-nighter their last night in Aruba, it keeps open the possibility that a sizable number of kids were game to trying ecstasy.

Natalee, naive to the effects of both alcohol and ecstasy, at the encouragement of JVDS, may well have consciously decided to try X for the first time.  Even if she wasn't drinking to excess, the potential for overdosing increased exponentially.

Piecing the story together, it seem most plausible that JVDS got the X from DK, who got it from SGC.  NH overdosed on the beach w/ JVDS.  His guilt, and feeling the need to cover it up, likely stems not from him giving her the drug, but because they likely had sex; leaving him the primary suspect.  JVDS panicked, brought NH to his house.  PVDS, knowing the law, believing it was an accident, and not wanting his son's life to be ruined, helped facilitate NH's disappearance.

Remaining questions:

WHAT did NH drink at C&C's?
HOW were NH and JVDS dancing?
WHAT did NH eat that day before going to C&C's?
Was NH at the bar when her drinks were ordered, or was she on the dance floor, or in the bathroom, and then handed the drinks by JVDS or another friend?
Did NH go to C&C's with JVDS, or did they meet up there?
When did DK, SK and SGC go to C&C's?
What was the shoving match between JVDS and NH's classmates about?


Scott,
I would be willing to bet large sums of money that you have just described almost exactly what has happened.  (Now that I think about it, it makes a whole lot more sense than all the other theories I've read and heard and even proposed myself)  JVDS may have had absolutely no malicious intent whatsoever but that doesn't mean that he is willing to come clean now.  Excellent assessment and all pieces seem to fit like a glove.


I saved this from a couple weeks ago when there was some free wheeling  speculation about the GBH (liquid ex)...I wasn't aware of the 80% claim of ex's production from the Netherlands...

but...here's the URL:  http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/gbh.html

The whole reason we're still speaking about this, though, is not only the "blond girl"...but her "blond mother...Beth Holloway is on a mission-of-her-life"..
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« Reply #361 on: June 21, 2005, 09:07:22 PM »

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One thing that is bothering me though is this: why haven't they cracked yet and told?  I wouldn't think that it would be that hard to get some teenagers to crack after interogating them in horid conditons for long periods of time.  But maybe I;m wrong.

I've wondered the same thing.
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« Reply #362 on: June 21, 2005, 09:07:28 PM »

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Remaining questions:


HOW were NH and JVDS dancing?
Did NH go to C&C's with JVDS, or did they meet up there?
When did DK, SK and SGC go to C&C's?


The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) ...*for what its worth......*


What the heck is that, WonderWoman?



Yeah, what the heck IS that?
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« Reply #363 on: June 21, 2005, 09:08:19 PM »

WonderWoman's post looks like a statement. Plausible, perhaps.
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« Reply #364 on: June 21, 2005, 09:08:23 PM »

Wonderwoman, I'm a little confused by your story because you are not saying who your "friend" is.  Have you reported this?  I take it you live in Aruba???  *a little confused*
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« Reply #365 on: June 21, 2005, 09:08:57 PM »

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Yes, WonderWoman.  Have you relayed this story to the authorities?


We have actually heard all of that before just never in summed up like that. That is from Deepak I believe.
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« Reply #366 on: June 21, 2005, 09:09:24 PM »

For all who are interested...the TX based EquuSearch team is a volunteer organization.  They accept donations at their website equusearch.org.  Their is a very long list of missing persons on their website.  This is a GREAT cause if any of you are looking for somewhere to make a donation.
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May God Bless Natalee and her Family in this dark hour...
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« Reply #367 on: June 21, 2005, 09:09:24 PM »

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I can't really buy this one. His dad, prepping to be a judge, 'believing it to be an accident' helped facilitate NH's disappearance?! You make these people sound like seasoned criminals. I'm not ready to take that step based on the information we have, which in reality is very little.


I agree.  If it did happen as an accident, they're all smart enough to realize that any cover-up would just make it worse, and now LE believes they've done 10x worse things than happened to be present when a girl died due to unforseen causes.  Even if Deepak gave Joran the drug to give her, that could likely remain unproven that either had been involved in how drugs got in her system.
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« Reply #368 on: June 21, 2005, 09:10:20 PM »

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I saved this from a couple weeks ago when there was some free wheeling  speculation about the GBH (liquid ex)...I wasn't aware of the 80% claim of ex's production from the Netherlands...

but...here's the URL:  http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/gbh.html

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Dumb questions. Is there a hospital on the island? Have local hospitals been checked? (I know, probably the dumbest post I've made.)
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« Reply #369 on: June 21, 2005, 09:11:27 PM »

Still waiting for WonderWoman to clarify what that post was.  Question
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« Reply #370 on: June 21, 2005, 09:11:39 PM »

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Yes, WonderWoman.  Have you relayed this story to the authorities?



I believe they would have it if they took his computer, no doubt.

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« Reply #371 on: June 21, 2005, 09:12:43 PM »

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Yes, WonderWoman.  Have you relayed this story to the authorities?



I believe they would have it if they took his computer, no doubt.

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umm..ya wanna quit being so vague, pretty please, and let us know what it is your e talkin' about exactly? thanks.. Very Happy
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« Reply #372 on: June 21, 2005, 09:12:43 PM »

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Yes, WonderWoman.  Have you relayed this story to the authorities?



I believe they would have it if they took his computer, no doubt.

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I believe that as well.
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« Reply #373 on: June 21, 2005, 09:12:48 PM »

nikki, oh my god how horrible

thank goodness you managed to survive that

they were interviewing some US college girls in Aruba this week and when asked about the date rape drug, oh it's very common on our campus, they said it so nonchalantly like it was a fact of life - gee what happened to just getting the chick drunk, I guess too many girls can outdrink the guys I guess......

add to it that some girls are taking GBH on purpose to get high?!?!? Sad

man the drugs these days, now I missed the acid and LSD period, thank god, i still have a brain left, we all know the people who used too much acid and LSD and pot from those days, they are space cadets now, if they are still alive, our high school crowd mainly was underage drinking,

but I think the stuff the kids do today, are way more frightening, like crystal meth, crack, estasy, these roofies, kids taking antihistamines to get high, I'd rather they smoked pot frankly........but even the pot is like 100 times more potent than the old days......
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« Reply #374 on: June 21, 2005, 09:12:54 PM »

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Remaining questions:


HOW were NH and JVDS dancing?
Did NH go to C&C's with JVDS, or did they meet up there?
When did DK, SK and SGC go to C&C's?


The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) ...*for what its worth......*


What the heck is that, WonderWoman?


I am wondering the same thing--the story u seem to be giving is one of the brothers story----when it came to the car part--OR that just means there are even MORE lies--UGH!!!!!!???!?!?!?!?!?
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« Reply #375 on: June 21, 2005, 09:12:57 PM »

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Yes, WonderWoman.  Have you relayed this story to the authorities?



I believe they would have it if they took his computer, no doubt.

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What does THAT mean? You're being very cryptic.
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« Reply #376 on: June 21, 2005, 09:12:59 PM »

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Yes, WonderWoman.  Have you relayed this story to the authorities?



I believe they would have it if they took his computer, no doubt.

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WW, who are you exactly?  

Ummmm, nooooooooooooooooooooo, not necessarily.  Have you said anything directly to the authorities or made a report just like the story you told here?
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« Reply #377 on: June 21, 2005, 09:13:22 PM »

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well, Bob......they ARE to blame.....

accidental or incidental or unintended......that point is moot.....

they lied from the gitgo and have changed their stories....

did you forget that there is one lonely crushed mother waiting for answers and these nice "Boys" can't even give her that.....


It's my opinion that we haven't heard everything that happened up to the time Natalee got in the car from the students who knew Natalee best, either.


I agree. Until all the details are divulged, student trip accounts as well as the 4's accounts will the complete truth be known.


We may not ever know the COMPLETE truth, but we can really narrow down the list of prime suspects, and narrow down the possible scenarios, and they ain't pretty.
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« Reply #378 on: June 21, 2005, 09:13:24 PM »

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JVDS panicked, brought NH to his house.  PVDS, knowing the law, believing it was an accident, and not wanting his son's life to be ruined, helped facilitate NH's disappearance.



Scott,
I would be willing to bet large sums of money that you have just described almost exactly what has happened.  (Now that I think about it, it makes a whole lot more sense than all the other theories I've read and heard and even proposed myself)  JVDS may have had absolutely no malicious intent whatsoever but that doesn't mean that he is willing to come clean now.  Excellent assessment and all pieces seem to fit like a glove.


Agreed.  After wading through post after post after post after post, what Scott said is very right on track and makes more sense than anything I've read.


I can't really buy this one. His dad, prepping to be a judge, 'believing it to be an accident' helped facilitate NH's disappearance?! You make these people sound like seasoned criminals. I'm not ready to take that step based on the information we have, which in reality is very little.


I agree, Chloe.  Due to the pain and sadness this case is clouded with I think we all want so badly to explain such a loss...in doing so many times we get off on tangents that are not based in much factual info.

Since confirmed info is so hard to come by, wild stories have been rampant.  There is very little we know for sure at this point.
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« Reply #379 on: June 21, 2005, 09:13:43 PM »

Wonder, did the e-mail end there?  What else happened?
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