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« Reply #780 on: June 21, 2005, 11:04:58 PM »

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was dropped off at HI, she would be the victim of a different crime with other suspects


Agreed. But there has not been, to my knowledge any indication that anyone else who was on the trip can corroborate that she was dropped off at the HI or anywhere else. So while the recollections of the other kids may have a strong human interest appeal, I don't see them as relevant to what happened to her after they saw her last.


Maybe arubagirl can swing by the HI and look for cameras and very what is said in the email.
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« Reply #781 on: June 21, 2005, 11:05:07 PM »

Okee dokey..Let me start by saying that Greta is the Chit....what a show!!!!
Now, have we gotten to the bottom of Wonder woman's email?? sounds sorta credible, since alot from Greta's show was corroborating with the email...hmmmm..
Also, did anyone find it strange,or odd that Nat's friend Frances said, " we did not see her get into that TAXI..."

Help me out guys...Greta has had my attention since 10.....lol
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« Reply #782 on: June 21, 2005, 11:05:45 PM »

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The one thing I find interesting about wonderwoman's/Depack email is this - until tonite on Greta - we did not know that Joran snuk out, and we also heard from Natalee's friend tonite that Nat introduced herself - this email does seem to support those two facts - and this email appeared before Greta's show - that to me is rather interesting!


Did he write this in jail??? I should think not??? Otherwise how could he mention the confession that was made in jail, thought she was found???etc


June 5th, 4 days before jail.


At the end of the letter he states they think they have found a body, confession, etc....That was when they were in jail
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« Reply #783 on: June 21, 2005, 11:05:56 PM »

Back to the original story, as depicted in Deepak's e-mail:

What if the trio's original story is true?? What if they picked up the wrong security guards? Someone on here said earlier that guards for the Soul Festival were staying at the Holiday Inn... and that their uniforms were all black.
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« Reply #784 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:22 PM »

Have we ever heard FACTS ( a rarity I know) on how many males from MBHS went on this trip? (both students AND chaperones?)
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« Reply #785 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:38 PM »

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Well, the posting of the email started out with a lie, so everything I read past that was just "whatever".

"I just got this email" "I've had it a couple of days"

Which is it?



Meaning, I did not get it on 6/5!!  ~sheesh~   to be expected I guess..
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« Reply #786 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:47 PM »

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The one thing I find interesting about wonderwoman's/Depack email is this - until tonite on Greta - we did not know that Joran snuk out, and we also heard from Natalee's friend tonite that Nat introduced herself - this email does seem to support those two facts - and this email appeared before Greta's show - that to me is rather interesting!


Did he write this in jail??? I should think not??? Otherwise how could he mention the confession that was made in jail, thought she was found???etc


June 5th, 4 days before jail.


At the end of the letter he states they think they have found a body, confession, etc....That was when they were in jail


The 2 guards were in jail.  The same gossip probably was flowing about them, too.
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« Reply #787 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:49 PM »

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was dropped off at HI, she would be the victim of a different crime with other suspects


Agreed. But there has not been, to my knowledge any indication that anyone else who was on the trip can corroborate that she was dropped off at the HI or anywhere else. So while the recollections of the other kids may have a strong human interest appeal, I don't see them as relevant to what happened to her after they saw her last.


Maybe arubagirl can swing by the HI and look for cameras and very what is said in the email.


Verify what cameras?  At the hotel?
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« Reply #788 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:57 PM »

Coco...

I saw the first night, but not the second.  What happened?  I was rather shocked that the kids seemed to take things so lightly...like they didn't learn something from N's experience.
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« Reply #789 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:57 PM »

I'm not buying deepak's email.

1. It was after the 3 amigos had been questioned by police the first time and he'd already told the guard he, satish and joran had sat around the pool getting this story together after they found out she was missing.

2. we already know they didn't take her to the Holiday inn because they're not on security cameras, plus he told the guard in jail they never went back there.

3. IF this really is from Deepak, it's his alibi which he's already told the police and is trying to stick to. Doesn't mean it's 100% true. There may be parts which are accurate, but I'm bet the ranch on it that he's lying lying lying.
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« Reply #790 on: June 21, 2005, 11:06:59 PM »

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was dropped off at HI, she would be the victim of a different crime with other suspects


Agreed. But there has not been, to my knowledge any indication that anyone else who was on the trip can corroborate that she was dropped off at the HI or anywhere else. So while the recollections of the other kids may have a strong human interest appeal, I don't see them as relevant to what happened to her after they saw her last.


Greta says Ma VDS says her son says he left NH on the beach.
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« Reply #791 on: June 21, 2005, 11:07:18 PM »

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People in hotels do not move room to room.  Girls are pretty particvulat about thier stuff.    Maybe in a dorm, but not a hotel.


Just to add a different view.........I took 15 highschool girls to the beach that same week and believe me, their clothes were everywhere.  Everybody wears everbodies clothes.  I brought back sacks of clothes for them to claim.  They did not seem that particular to me.


Heck, I remember moving from hotel to hotel on spring break. We got run out of one hotel because of too many people in the room, so we just went and found another where more friends were staying. Seems like I remember finally falling asleep in a bathtub....those were the days??? Laughing
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« Reply #792 on: June 21, 2005, 11:08:15 PM »

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was dropped off at HI, she would be the victim of a different crime with other suspects


Agreed. But there has not been, to my knowledge any indication that anyone else who was on the trip can corroborate that she was dropped off at the HI or anywhere else. So while the recollections of the other kids may have a strong human interest appeal, I don't see them as relevant to what happened to her after they saw her last.


Maybe arubagirl can swing by the HI and look for cameras and very what is said in the email.


I remember when Greta did her report where she showed us the lighthouse and stuff, she also went to the HI and walked in the lobby.  There were comments about what a big lobby entrance it is and how no one could be dropped off there without being seen because it's so big and open and there are employees in the lobby all night.  They really commented on how big the entrance was and how the cars pull right up to it.  They also looked around showing where cameras are hidden.
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« Reply #793 on: June 21, 2005, 11:08:20 PM »

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What if they picked up the wrong security guards? Someone on here said earlier that guards for the Soul Festival were staying at the Holiday Inn... and that their uniforms were all black.


I would be wary of the assumption that anybody wearing black and carrying a walkie talkie is a security guard.
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« Reply #794 on: June 21, 2005, 11:08:30 PM »

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I'm not buying deepak's email.

1. It was after the 3 amigos had been questioned by police the first time and he'd already told the guard he, satish and joran had sat around the pool getting this story together after they found out she was missing.

2. we already know they didn't take her to the Holiday inn because they're not on security cameras, plus he told the guard in jail they never went back there.

3. IF this really is from Deepak, it's his alibi which he's already told the police and is trying to stick to. Doesn't mean it's 100% true. There may be parts which are accurate, but I'm bet the ranch on it that he's lying lying lying.


After watching Greta, the email seems more likely to be from Deepak, but I agree it's just setting up his alibi.
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« Reply #795 on: June 21, 2005, 11:08:35 PM »

Friend story tells us that Nat met him that night at the Casino.  Group was talking about going out.  He said Sunday night was not exciting.

Said group was talking about going to C and C.  He might or might not have had and specific invitation.  But he would have known that was where they were  headed.

He shows up.

On leaving.

One girl only stayed one hour apparently then came back to the hotel.


The other girls story fits.  Remember that Dash said she was in the last small group--kind of checking to be sure no one was left.  There was a group of students from the school in front of them.  Nat and Joran were between the two groups, behind the others.  They could have left and not have seen Natalee to know she was with Joran.
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« Reply #796 on: June 21, 2005, 11:09:41 PM »

Newbie here....I've been reading alot of the posts....nice to see so much care and concern for the girl.  it's too hard to read through every post and i have a question/Theory.

I think Joran and Croes are innocent and being held in prison for their own protection?  Not so sure about the other guys but they seem like they know more....possible they are in for their protection also.

I think a boat of smugglers drug/people was in the area and took advantage of all involved and took Natalee.

Joran looks like a punky kid(not uncommon nowadays) but my intuition is innocent.

Croes was told things and now he needs to be protected.

The 2 brothers....I can't get a feel for them yet but I'll keep reading.
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« Reply #797 on: June 21, 2005, 11:09:41 PM »

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Okee dokey..Let me start by saying that Greta is the Chit....what a show!!!!
Now, have we gotten to the bottom of Wonder woman's email?? sounds sorta credible, since alot from Greta's show was corroborating with the email...hmmmm..
Also, did anyone find it strange,or odd that Nat's friend Frances said, " we did not see her get into that TAXI..."

Help me out guys...Greta has had my attention since 10.....lol

Yes, my mouth dropped, I didn't think she was going to correct herself, took her a few. More of the same.... the things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm
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« Reply #798 on: June 21, 2005, 11:10:23 PM »

All I care about at this moment homestly, is I truly believe that was probabaly the most beautiful moment I have ever seen on TV. You an argue it all you want but seeing the bridge built on TV tonite, made me tear up.

I have always said there are many victims and have had feelings for all involved. It was the first time, I literally saw two people drop their differences and do something more people sould, show some love and compassion.

As far as someone saying Anita did a fake or staged kiss, it is or at least I was raised in the dutch culture with giving a respectful kiss on  the cheek. That was the ULTIMATE show of respect to Beth on Anita's part.
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« Reply #799 on: June 21, 2005, 11:11:00 PM »

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IF the letter is Deepak's, why the hell did their stories change?

Anyway guys, have to go to sleep.

Good night.

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Where do we actually KNOW that their stories EVER CHANGED?

They could have let the Guards go to watch them, as they did the Boys'


A few points/questions from the email:

1.  He mentioned that when VDS and NH were in the backseat that he noticed that they were kissing, etc.  and he specifically said "nothing against Natalees will." This seems like an odd thing to mention, why would one assume it was against her will, since by his account she had decided to go with them.

2.  "when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights)"   I'm confused here.  It sounds as if he is saying that they just sat in the car at the lighthouse, but it also sounds as if they left, then came back to get them.

3.  ."(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby)"  Interesting statement.  We know that this is not true now, but if they (the boys) thought that, it would explain why they thought it best to say they returned her there, thinking that there was no way to actually verify the story.

He's just so detailed in his account that it leads me to believe that this was, in fact, a made up story.  Much information since then has made it seem like this was the original story but that it's changed.  However, if he wasn't hiding something, WHY would they have this great, detailed story.


GREAT post, don't want it to get lost.  A lot of what he says shows the mens rea factor -- or, as we Americans like to call it, CYA, CYA, CYA -- and trying to CYA before anyone's calling you on it is a sure sign of a guilty mind.
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