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« Reply #800 on: June 21, 2005, 11:11:03 PM »

could someone fill me in on what the e-mail is that everyone is talking about?  just got home from work.  thanks.
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« Reply #801 on: June 21, 2005, 11:11:05 PM »

Remember that they say the brothers car looks like the local Taxis.  More than one person has said that.
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« Reply #802 on: June 21, 2005, 11:11:08 PM »

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I don't know...I'm just not buying the e-mail account...just before broadcast of Greta's show and dis-crediting NH...can you say dis-information??? It's an old trick...known to many...

I still would like to see full internet mail headers showing IP and e-mail addresses and domains. Without that data it's ONLY HEARSAY!!!


And right now, it's better hearsay than what we've seen.  All this up to this point has been speculation, even by the media somewhat because of Dutch law restricting information. This at least is a look at the possibilities of the other side.


RB agreed....but keep in mind, this is the web..nobody can truly hide!! This is digital technology and EVERYTHING is logged by IP address somewhere...plus other means.

Apologies to all but I'm in the technology industry, and no mail addys, no IP addreses and no domains is the equivilent of writing something up on wordpad and posting by copy and paste same as I'm typing this in a window.

We need verifiable facts!!!


Both absolut and I work for one of the more esteemed technology institutions in the US, as Red and Tom can tell you.  Even if you had the headers from this forwarded email, you would not be able to trace the IP's all the way back to its original source, unless you forensically dissected each hard drive along the way, and there's no guarentee you'd get what you needed.  Therefore, your argument is a stalemate:  what she's pasted is what it is. Don't believe it fine, but please don't mention  "facts" when there is really only the fact that Natalee is missing.


RB..I have no doubts as to your capabilities....thanks. Yes Natalee is missing and that is a tragedy as this whole story gets more twisted as time goes on. Mix in what we see on this BB which is mostly unreliable and then whatever the MSM reports which as we all know is questionable at best. I still go back to my original argument that we need verifable facts of all this data from all parties.

Beyond verifable facts...all we have is speculation...nothing more!!!

Believe me...I want Natalie to come home alive and safe! I have a neice in Birmingham who resembles NH and I shudder to think how I would feel if this was happening in our family.

Thanks for your input...makes me think!!
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« Reply #803 on: June 21, 2005, 11:11:20 PM »

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was dropped off at HI, she would be the victim of a different crime with other suspects


Agreed. But there has not been, to my knowledge any indication that anyone else who was on the trip can corroborate that she was dropped off at the HI or anywhere else. So while the recollections of the other kids may have a strong human interest appeal, I don't see them as relevant to what happened to her after they saw her last.


Maybe arubagirl can swing by the HI and look for cameras and very what is said in the email.


I remember when Greta did her report where she showed us the lighthouse and stuff, she also went to the HI and walked in the lobby.  There were comments about what a big lobby entrance it is and how no one could be dropped off there without being seen because it's so big and open and there are employees in the lobby all night.  They really commented on how big the entrance was and how the cars pull right up to it.  They also looked around showing where cameras are hidden.


Also, Beth Twitty confirmed there are video cameras at the hotel.  She and her group viewed the tapes within a few hours of arriving in Aruba.
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« Reply #804 on: June 21, 2005, 11:11:23 PM »

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At the end of the letter he states they think they have found a body, confession, etc....That was when they were in jail


No, he said there were RUMORS and he lists all the rumors flying around before they were arrested.
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« Reply #805 on: June 21, 2005, 11:11:30 PM »

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Newbie here....I've been reading alot of the posts....nice to see so much care and concern for the girl.  it's too hard to read through every post and i have a question/Theory.

I think Joran and Croes are innocent and being held in prison for their own protection?  Not so sure about the other guys but they seem like they know more....possible they are in for their protection also.

I think a boat of smugglers drug/people was in the area and took advantage of all involved and took Natalee.

Joran looks like a punky kid(not uncommon nowadays) but my intuition is innocent.

Croes was told things and now he needs to be protected.

The 2 brothers....I can't get a feel for them yet but I'll keep reading.



My intuition tells me the same thing abour Joran.
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« Reply #806 on: June 21, 2005, 11:12:32 PM »

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The one thing I find interesting about wonderwoman's/Depack email is this - until tonite on Greta - we did not know that Joran snuk out, and we also heard from Natalee's friend tonite that Nat introduced herself - this email does seem to support those two facts - and this email appeared before Greta's show - that to me is rather interesting!


Did he write this in jail??? I should think not??? Otherwise how could he mention the confession that was made in jail, thought she was found???etc


June 5th, 4 days before jail.


At the end of the letter he states they think they have found a body, confession, etc....That was when they were in jail


That't true.  There was never any mention of any confession until the weekend after these 3 were detained.  They have not been out since.
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« Reply #807 on: June 21, 2005, 11:12:37 PM »

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Okee dokey..Let me start by saying that Greta is the Chit....what a show!!!!
Now, have we gotten to the bottom of Wonder woman's email?? sounds sorta credible, since alot from Greta's show was corroborating with the email...hmmmm..
Also, did anyone find it strange,or odd that Nat's friend Frances said, " we did not see her get into that TAXI..."

Help me out guys...Greta has had my attention since 10.....lol


I think some of MB kids think she might have thought she was getting in a Taxi
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« Reply #808 on: June 21, 2005, 11:13:02 PM »

I for one would hate to think that because of pressure from the United States/FBI/Holloways that these kids have been railroaded and that this entire time, another party is walking around out there with knowledge of either Natalee's murder or kidnapping.
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« Reply #809 on: June 21, 2005, 11:13:59 PM »

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All I care about at this moment homestly, is I truly believe that was probabaly the most beautiful moment I have ever seen on TV. You an argue it all you want but seeing the bridge built on TV tonite, made me tear up.

I have always said there are many victims and have had feelings for all involved. It was the first time, I literally saw two people drop their differences and do something more people sould, show some love and compassion.

As far as someone saying Anita did a fake or staged kiss, it is or at least I was raised in the dutch culture with giving a respectful kiss on the cheek. That was the ULTIMATE show of respect to Beth on Anita's part.


I agree with you Cali, and actually in Holland we give three  on the cheek
in general.
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« Reply #810 on: June 21, 2005, 11:14:15 PM »

Gretta senses a difference in the Mom and the Dad.  Said that Mom for sure thinks son is innocent.
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« Reply #811 on: June 21, 2005, 11:14:18 PM »

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Okee dokey..Let me start by saying that Greta is the Chit....what a show!!!!
Now, have we gotten to the bottom of Wonder woman's email?? sounds sorta credible, since alot from Greta's show was corroborating with the email...hmmmm..
Also, did anyone find it strange,or odd that Nat's friend Frances said, " we did not see her get into that TAXI..."

Help me out guys...Greta has had my attention since 10.....lol

Yes, my mouth dropped, I didn't think she was going to correct herself, took her a few. More of the same.... the things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm


She corrected herself and said car
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« Reply #812 on: June 21, 2005, 11:14:54 PM »

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I for one would hate to think that because of pressure from the United States/FBI/Holloways that these kids have been railroaded and that this entire time, another party is walking around out there with knowledge of either Natalee's murder or kidnapping.
Me too.

I just don't know what to think anymore.
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« Reply #813 on: June 21, 2005, 11:15:11 PM »

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At the end of the letter he states they think they have found a body, confession, etc....That was when they were in jail


No, he said there were RUMORS and he lists all the rumors flying around before they were arrested.


Yes, but there were no rumors of confessions until after the 3 were detained.  There never were rumors of confessions with the security guards, only with Joran after he and Kalpoes were put in jail.
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« Reply #814 on: June 21, 2005, 11:15:19 PM »

[ and we also heard from Natalee's friend tonite that Nat introduced herself -

I'm sorry..Im catching up....from what two friends do we know that Natalee intorduced herself to J, and not the other way around? is this confirmed by Dash o r others on the trip?
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« Reply #815 on: June 21, 2005, 11:15:48 PM »

well we have gotten a few more pieces.  joren was at mikki d at 11.  dad picked him up.  he had just met natalee at the casino.  he then sneaked out of the house and went to c and c (don't know how).  met Natalee and left with her. (where does satish say they went in the email.)  ended up at Marriott beach, don't know anything from there. room mates were very worried early the next morning and their worries were apparently not acted upon timely.  dad can't remember whther he was home in the morning or if he went to school that day.  He was obviously hard to control.  mom was out of town, dad was not doing a good job of babysitting.  dad is apparently absentee father away a lot at school.  So, i leave it to you all to parse this to death.  I am goint to take a break as this intense focus on one issue is not good for me.  I need some rest and envy some of you your energy.  May lurk awhile but won't post unless inspired to do so.  I think Greta's stunt was overplayed to draw viewers.  Hope we get some more substance from it.  

One point:  Arubans are Dutch citizens who travel on dutch passports.  They are thus Dutch nationals.  The Queen presides over the courtroom.    Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #816 on: June 21, 2005, 11:15:53 PM »

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I'm not buying deepak's email.

1. It was after the 3 amigos had been questioned by police the first time and he'd already told the guard he, satish and joran had sat around the pool getting this story together after they found out she was missing.

2. we already know they didn't take her to the Holiday inn because they're not on security cameras, plus he told the guard in jail they never went back there.

3. IF this really is from Deepak, it's his alibi which he's already told the police and is trying to stick to. Doesn't mean it's 100% true. There may be parts which are accurate, but I'm bet the ranch on it that he's lying lying lying.


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« Reply #817 on: June 21, 2005, 11:16:03 PM »

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Okee dokey..Let me start by saying that Greta is the Chit....what a show!!!!
Now, have we gotten to the bottom of Wonder woman's email?? sounds sorta credible, since alot from Greta's show was corroborating with the email...hmmmm..
Also, did anyone find it strange,or odd that Nat's friend Frances said, " we did not see her get into that TAXI..."

Help me out guys...Greta has had my attention since 10.....lol

Yes, my mouth dropped, I didn't think she was going to correct herself, took her a few. More of the same.... the things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm


She corrected herself and said car
Yup, is what my post said, minus that she actually said car.  Laughing
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« Reply #818 on: June 21, 2005, 11:16:39 PM »

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was dropped off at HI, she would be the victim of a different crime with other suspects


Agreed. But there has not been, to my knowledge any indication that anyone else who was on the trip can corroborate that she was dropped off at the HI or anywhere else. So while the recollections of the other kids may have a strong human interest appeal, I don't see them as relevant to what happened to her after they saw her last.


Maybe arubagirl can swing by the HI and look for cameras and very what is said in the email.


I remember when Greta did her report where she showed us the lighthouse and stuff, she also went to the HI and walked in the lobby.  There were comments about what a big lobby entrance it is and how no one could be dropped off there without being seen because it's so big and open and there are employees in the lobby all night.  They really commented on how big the entrance was and how the cars pull right up to it.  They also looked around showing where cameras are hidden.


Also, Beth Twitty confirmed there are video cameras at the hotel.  She and her group viewed the tapes within a few hours of arriving in Aruba.


We need to figure out where else at the HI she could be dropped off.
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« Reply #819 on: June 21, 2005, 11:17:04 PM »

YOU DONT LEAVE A GIRL PASSED OUT ON A BEACH!

IF HE REALLY DID ONLY THAT AND HARM CAME WHICH IT DID THEN HE IS RESPONSIBLE AS WELL!!!!!!!
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