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« Reply #840 on: June 21, 2005, 11:24:37 PM »

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Gretta senses a difference in the Mom and the Dad.


Well, I kind of wonder if there might be a little conflict there in the household - while Anita was in Holland, Paulus (maybe as is his wont) was a bit less scupulous about Joran's comings and goings, as he said that Joran was not allowed to go out late, or something to that effect, although when Natalee's parents went to his house originally he said Joran was at the casino.

Anita might have spoken to him about that, and she also mentioned her husband's frequent absence in relation to Joran's anger management thing.

So there may be some fairly common domestic fluffles with mom trying to hold down the fort and set rules and not getting all the support from dad she would like to, and now this happens...
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« Reply #841 on: June 21, 2005, 11:25:05 PM »

I missed the link to the email.  can someone please provide?  

Also,  I felt the friends of Natalee were very intimadated by the cameras and being on TV,  but some of you so different people than i saw!

Also the girl that said she didn't see her getting into the "taxi" tried to correct her self, but she was cut off by the end of the interview.  she was I believe, going to say I meant car.  she said "i meant...."
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« Reply #842 on: June 21, 2005, 11:25:11 PM »

Bad news for our Texas cowboys tonight--they're NOT in the air.  Nothing has worked out--volunteers need to come from 7 states, so air travel is proving more complex.

Good news is that they hope to be able to leave Friday for Aruba--also hoping one of the corporate planes contacted can at least send Tim Miller or other main person and a few more to get started before the bulk can be transported with sonar and dogs.
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« Reply #843 on: June 21, 2005, 11:25:17 PM »

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Wait a minute. Didn't Joran go to the soul festival on the beach that night, too? Remember we found that website of his with all the pictures of the soul festival which he'd posted after Natalee disappeared? The ones where he just kept shouting down women's lowcut tops? Why would the email make it sound like Joran was at home the whole night when he'd been at the soul festival? If he knew he was going to hook up at CnC's, he wouldn't go home just to come back. Doesn't make sense.


He had to be home by 11 because it was a school night and that was the rule. But he snuck out later.
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« Reply #844 on: June 21, 2005, 11:26:15 PM »

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ok, i am ducking for cover..please dont attack me ok? I am about, for one second, to become someone i have often bashed...
I know that Nats friends are just kids by all accounts, and that they have never been on national TV, interviewed, gone through this, etc..
BUT, did anyone else, besides me, find it strange that they were almost laughing tonight?Big smiles...almost evasive?
If this were my best friend, I would be crying at the mention of her name...
I have all the respect of the MB kids..sometimes, however, things just seem odd with their demeanor...except for Dash..lol
<wiping tomatoes off face and other unmentionables that were just flung at me>


I think they were probably very nervous about appearing on TV.  They certainly didn't seem as "matter of fact" and as prepared as Dash has in her interviews.  I thought they look nervous and unprepared.  Maybe that isn't even the word for it...how about less mature than Dash.
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« Reply #845 on: June 21, 2005, 11:26:28 PM »

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THe ISA students are picked up by their own bus, so perhaps it was Joran's responsibility to be ready when the bus came.

Also, that bus must have come damn early, if school starts at 8.30, with all the traffic from Montanja to San Nicolaas.


Why would Joran and his brother take a bus if their mother teaches at the school???


My Mom worked as a TA for two years and I still rode the bus and that was in elementary.  Had to be with my buds!
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« Reply #846 on: June 21, 2005, 11:26:39 PM »

G`night all, now i`m having a headache Confused

see y`all later byee
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« Reply #847 on: June 21, 2005, 11:26:41 PM »

Isn't it wierd that Papa VDS doesn't care that his 17 year old frequents the casinos?  Doesn't the law say you must be 18?  Isn't he supposed to uphold the laws of his country?????
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« Reply #848 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:01 PM »

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All I care about at this moment homestly, is I truly believe that was probabaly the most beautiful moment I have ever seen on TV....I have always said there are many victims and have had feelings for all involved...As far as someone saying Anita did a fake or staged kiss, it is or at least I was raised in the dutch culture with giving a respectful kiss on  the cheek. That was the ULTIMATE show of respect to Beth on Anita's part.

Cali, this has me weeping.  Don't get FOX, the web video didn't show the kiss part.  I too have been saying all along that all the parents are victims.
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« Reply #849 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:01 PM »

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Has anyone thought about the possibility that one of the bartenders at CnC slips something into Natlee's drink.....there are several people who are in on it at CnC's and they trail wherever Natalee will be going from there.....All these boys have been used and criminal ring who pulled this off is getting away with this.

Last calls at any bar can be very rowdy and lots of pushing and bumping for the last drink.  Easy for one of them to do something without anyone noticing.  These bartenders all need to be interogated and I've had a strong feeling about that since I heard the story of her leaving there.


Bartenders have about an hours worth of work after closing time, at least here in the USA they do -- glass cleaning, restocking, cleaning.  If one scooted out right away and left the others to do the grunt work, it wouldn't go unnoticed.
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« Reply #850 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:03 PM »

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Bad news for our Texas cowboys tonight--they're NOT in the air.  Nothing has worked out--volunteers need to come from 7 states, so air travel is proving more complex.

Good news is that they hope to be able to leave Friday for Aruba--also hoping one of the corporate planes contacted can at least send Tim Miller or other main person and a few more to get started before the bulk can be transported with sonar and dogs.



awww, man...and i was waiting on that..wanted to wake up in th a.m. and find they were there and searching Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #851 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:11 PM »

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I read earlier news and posting that it was PVDS and his younger son came from Holland that Sunday. Can you imagine you just step off the plane earlier and 7 hours later, all hell breaks loose? Anyway so now its Anita that came from Holland...Someone throw me a bone, these stories changes so often

On Valentijns (Jorans younger brother) site..Tickle..he said..I'm going to Holland..and his friends yelled back...be good in Holland

So I would say it was PVDS and Valentijn who went to Holland. I'm assuming that Valentijn was an undergradute and might not have had extra tests like a senoir (Joran)might have had.


No, I think maybe valentijn was going to holland for the summer. maybe to stay with relatives. why would he cut out of school too when he also had exams?
I thought I had read that Paul v.d. sloot had been in holland on business and was just getting back. but it sounded like he'd gone alone. and i also read that he was gone for most of 5 years while he was getting training in the netherlands. maybe that's where joran got out of control. maybe he started seeing himself as the head of the household.
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« Reply #852 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:24 PM »

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Both absolut and I work for one of the more esteemed technology institutions in the US, as Red and Tom can tell you.  Even if you had the headers from this forwarded email, you would not be able to trace the IP's all the way back to its original source, unless you forensically dissected each hard drive along the way, and there's no guarentee you'd get what you needed.  


I don't work for a more esteemed technology institution but I do work in the IT field.
If your using Outlook as your email client and you click View-Options I GUARANTEE it will list all ip addresses that the email took to get to you.
Unless this guy was doing ip spoofing (which I highly doubt) it will list the ip addresses so you are incorrect RB.


Yes, you can choose the option to view "headers".  I use Thunderbird but Outlook is the same...even Yahoo and other free email clients offer the option.  Once you find the header you can view the ip numbers etc. You can look them up easily.
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« Reply #853 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:32 PM »

Hi,

I just got on here and Im reading about a letter.  Can someone plz direct me to the very beginning of the posts about a letter.  Should I start at the beginning of #16 or before.

This forum moves so fast.  I wish someone was here to do a daily recap of all rumors and news that were posted on a daily basis.  That would be oh so helpful.   Very Happy

'Preciate it   Cool

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« Reply #854 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:34 PM »

On Valentijn's girlfriend's blog, she often mentions talking with Joran on the bus.
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« Reply #855 on: June 21, 2005, 11:27:40 PM »

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IF the letter is Deepak's, why the hell did their stories change?

Anyway
A few points/questions from the email:

1.  He mentioned that when VDS and NH were in the backseat that he noticed that they were kissing, etc.  and he specifically said "nothing against Natalees will." This seems like an odd thing to mention, why would one assume it was against her will, since by his account she had decided to go with them.

2.  "when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights)"   I'm confused here.  It sounds as if he is saying that they just sat in the car at the lighthouse, but it also sounds as if they left, then came back to get them.

3.  ."(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby)"  Interesting statement.  We know that this is not true now, but if they (the boys) thought that, it would explain why they thought it best to say they returned her there, thinking that there was no way to actually verify the story.

He's just so detailed in his account that it leads me to believe that this was, in fact, a made up story.  Much information since then has made it seem like this was the original story but that it's changed.  However, if he wasn't hiding something, WHY would they have this great, detailed story.




Agree with the strangeness of all 3 points, but especially #3.  Why would he have noticed if there was a camera or not in the lobby??  Who pays attention to that detail??  People are really fishing.....

Also, aggreed on the point of, why would he stress that nothing was against Natalie's will???

Lastly the point where he mentioned that his friend was a straight A student.  Why would he say that??? Strange....

Too many strange things to mention.....not believable, otherwise, it is could be the real "fabricated" story by the boys, which could make it very interesting....because the e-mail seems very rehearsed and if that was the case then the boys compiled this e-mail together (not physically)


This is an interesting e-mail.  Some rings like a true account, but some parts are awkward.  If it is real and it was written AFTER these guys were questionned by police, that might explain why they go into detail about the cameras and the girls "will."  Maybe they are using some of the language that was repeated in the media. Or it is simply a HOAX.  Not a really bad one.
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« Reply #856 on: June 21, 2005, 11:28:02 PM »

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Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:26:12 +0000


 
Thank you for your wonderfull email you send me I really appreciate it.
Things are going better with me now , as you you know there has been 2 arrests i don't know if it comes because the information we gave or just another tip.They were 2 security guards for a hotel nearby the holiday inn where natalee was staying , but we don't have any further information . I would be willing to try making an Id by the police for the 2 suspects i only saw one of them in the news.My parents are doing better now , my friends parents are doing well as well. Although we are almost of the hook we still don't walk much on the streets a lot of fingers are being pointed etc. But the press Is like trying to locate us or something i don't know this morning my friend got a letter for nbc if we were willing to give an intervieuw for a very good price we did not respond to them yet , we don't know if we will give interview as yet. The local press however we won't give any interview they sad a lot of bad things about us they should be ashamed of theirselves.But for now its just from home to work for me , and in the afternoons i go by my friends house we order pizza etc. and watch the news whats going.
Anyways  i have to go now , if i have any ipdates i will let you know asap. the press is all over it so i don't think you will be missing any part of it .
As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.
 
Take care , Say hi to the others and I will mail you again
 
 
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« Reply #857 on: June 21, 2005, 11:28:17 PM »

I think a key here is this Croes guy.
How does he fit in? Why are they holding him?
He wasn't at C&C as far as we know.
Why did they decide to question him?
When does he come into the picture?
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« Reply #858 on: June 21, 2005, 11:28:58 PM »

Whodunit - the travel agents who sell these graduation trips to the kids and parents here in the US where the drinking age is 21 mention that they provide open bars and that no one cards in Aruba.

Looks like a similar issue to me - and now I'll duck the tomatoes.
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« Reply #859 on: June 21, 2005, 11:29:17 PM »

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Red - Wrote---"Where was the Greta question of why were not you worried when she did not come home that night? These were her roomates and best friends, right?"


I agree Totally. this does NOT add up. So her friends see her at the closing of the Bar with Joran, and they they say THEY WOULD NEVER let her Leave alone wiith him. But why did they?

 And More IMPORTANTLY wjhy did they Not do anything when she didnt come home that night? That does NOT add up. lots of explaining to do from someone. We are most likely Not geting the True Story here. Anyone would Have to admit that there are way too many inconsistancies in these accounts of what happened that night.

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I thought they both said that they didn't see her at the closing of the bar. One said she wasn't there and the other said she left an hour earlier.


Yes. Also, timelines with friends stories are not also conflicting with other friends.

Since the day BH landed and found out the information, it has been 1:30, two groups of people, people seeing her with Joran, BH even admitting she was with him. *sigh* I am not flaming etc but I am sorry over time everyone's story is changing. Almost manicured ::ducks for cover:: I am sorry but there's something seriously more wrong now.


Agree with CaliGirl on this one. These were supposedly Natalee's best friends? Mrs Red is southern and no way would a friend not look out after their friend. How do your best friends lose track of you?


I agree with you Red.

I do understand (moreso from making so many friends from all over the US and wolrd on this board) that where I live things may also be different than everywhere else in the US. I will say this, I have always, cut back my drinks, watched my friends, mostly been the designated driver so I knew/know my friends return home safely. I have even been known to leave with a drunk friend who wanted to leave with a guy she just met for a party and make sure she returns home even if at 4am. I am also the girl at the bar, when friends are drunk, who has no problem whipping a high heel shoe off in a heart beat if a male so much as inappropiately touches a friend without warrant.

Most know I already keep an open line on my phone to go pick up drunk friends at any hour.

Maybe I am weird but I never let my friends our of my sight or let them leave my sight until I have them at their door when they are drunk.

Sorry, I am angry, hurt and disappointed right now in what I just heard/saw. Everyone has been slamming the suspects and their stories and now we have just as many from the victims friends. Although this does not change that Natalee didn't deserve anything to happen but I am down right speechless and rambling.. going to the loft
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