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« Reply #880 on: June 21, 2005, 11:34:23 PM »

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If the email is sent to you directly, yes.  Please note the use of forwarded emails in my description.  Those emails, forwarded, lose their header information from the prior person the email was sent to.

Yes but WonderWoman would have the original email and would be able to view and forward the header information. You can easily do a address to name lookup using whois or one of the European name lookup services to verify the validity.


Not if it's been forwarded 6 times or more before it got to her:)  You'd be tracing from computer to computer, and frankly some email servers and routers block the echo back with an "unknown" attribute.
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« Reply #881 on: June 21, 2005, 11:34:39 PM »

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i have been reading these boards toooo much...i am not even sure who to believe anymore...this is a total mystery. i am confused


i think I AM going to get a lawyer!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lol.  Maybe we all need to "lawyer up"!   Laughing
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« Reply #882 on: June 21, 2005, 11:35:00 PM »

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I missed the link to the email.  can someone please provide?  

Also,  I felt the friends of Natalee were very intimadated by the cameras and being on TV,  but some of you so different people than i saw!

Also the girl that said she didn't see her getting into the "taxi" tried to correct her self, but she was cut off by the end of the interview.  she was I believe, going to say I meant car.  she said "i meant...."


It took me a while to go back and find it.  Click on this link and scroll almost a quarter of the way down.  You probably already found it by now Confused
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=201&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=680
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« Reply #883 on: June 21, 2005, 11:35:06 PM »

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Gretta senses a difference in the Mom and the Dad.


Well, I kind of wonder if there might be a little conflict there in the household - while Anita was in Holland, Paulus (maybe as is his wont) was a bit less scupulous about Joran's comings and goings, as he said that Joran was not allowed to go out late, or something to that effect, although when Natalee's parents went to his house originally he said Joran was at the casino.

Anita might have spoken to him about that, and she also mentioned her husband's frequent absence in relation to Joran's anger management thing.

So there may be some fairly common domestic fluffles with mom trying to hold down the fort and set rules and not getting all the support from dad she would like to, and now this happens...


OK. Have I missed an earlier post with confirmation? How do we know Anita was in Holland then? Did she say that?


THink so . It's From Greta's show.
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« Reply #884 on: June 21, 2005, 11:35:54 PM »

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Did she say that?


According to Greta's account of the meeting between Natalee's mom and the VDS family, yes.
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« Reply #885 on: June 21, 2005, 11:36:03 PM »

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I think a key here is this Croes guy.
How does he fit in? Why are they holding him?
He wasn't at C&C as far as we know.
Why did they decide to question him?
When does he come into the picture?


They are holding him because he said he saw the three drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. So either 1) The original story was true or 2) Steve Croes is lying.


Uhhhh, how do we know that's why they are holding him?  Has this been confirmed?
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« Reply #886 on: June 21, 2005, 11:36:09 PM »

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Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:26:12 +0000


 
Thank you for your wonderfull email you send me I really appreciate it.
Things are going better with me now , as you you know there has been 2 arrests i don't know if it comes because the information we gave or just another tip.They were 2 security guards for a hotel nearby the holiday inn where natalee was staying , but we don't have any further information . I would be willing to try making an Id by the police for the 2 suspects i only saw one of them in the news.My parents are doing better now , my friends parents are doing well as well. Although we are almost of the hook we still don't walk much on the streets a lot of fingers are being pointed etc. But the press Is like trying to locate us or something i don't know this morning my friend got a letter for nbc if we were willing to give an intervieuw for a very good price we did not respond to them yet , we don't know if we will give interview as yet. The local press however we won't give any interview they sad a lot of bad things about us they should be ashamed of theirselves.But for now its just from home to work for me , and in the afternoons i go by my friends house we order pizza etc. and watch the news whats going.
Anyways  i have to go now , if i have any ipdates i will let you know asap. the press is all over it so i don't think you will be missing any part of it .
As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.
 
Take care , Say hi to the others and I will mail you again
 
 
bye bye
 
Deepak.

So WW....are you Betty?
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« Reply #887 on: June 21, 2005, 11:36:10 PM »

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I agree with you Red.

I do understand (moreso from making so many friends from all over the US and wolrd on this board) that where I live things may also be different than everywhere else in the US. I will say this, I have always, cut back my drinks, watched my friends, mostly been the designated driver so I knew/know my friends return home safely. I have even been known to leave with a drunk friend who wanted to leave with a guy she just met for a party and make sure she returns home even if at 4am. I am also the girl at the bar, when friends are drunk, who has no problem whipping a high heel shoe off in a heart beat if a male so much as inappropiately touches a friend without warrant.

Most know I already keep an open line on my phone to go pick up drunk friends at any hour.

Maybe I am weird but I never let my friends our of my sight or let them leave my sight until I have them at their door when they are drunk.

Sorry, I am angry, hurt and disappointed right now in what I just heard/saw. Everyone has been slamming the suspects and their stories and now we have just as many from the victims friends. Although this does not change that Natalee didn't deserve anything to happen but I am down right speechless and rambling.. going to the loft


You seem to be a great friend. That is wonderful, hats off to you!! HUGS!!
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« Reply #888 on: June 21, 2005, 11:36:25 PM »

That email is a bunch of bullcrap. How conveniently it covers all the things we are wondering about.  It was obviously written by someone else in an attempt to stir up some shit.
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« Reply #889 on: June 21, 2005, 11:36:40 PM »

Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "WonderWoman"
6/6/2005

Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:26:12 +0000


 
Thank you for your wonderfull email you send me I really appreciate it.
Things are going better with me now , as you you know there has been 2 arrests i don't know if it comes because the information we gave or just another tip.They were 2 security guards for a hotel nearby the holiday inn where natalee was staying , but we don't have any further information . I would be willing to try making an Id by the police for the 2 suspects i only saw one of them in the news.My parents are doing better now , my friends parents are doing well as well. Although we are almost of the hook we still don't walk much on the streets a lot of fingers are being pointed etc. But the press Is like trying to locate us or something i don't know this morning my friend got a letter for nbc if we were willing to give an intervieuw for a very good price we did not respond to them yet , we don't know if we will give interview as yet. The local press however we won't give any interview they sad a lot of bad things about us they should be ashamed of theirselves.But for now its just from home to work for me , and in the afternoons i go by my friends house we order pizza etc. and watch the news whats going.
Anyways  i have to go now , if i have any ipdates i will let you know asap. the press is all over it so i don't think you will be missing any part of it .
As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.
 
Take care , Say hi to the others and I will mail you again
 
 
bye bye
 
Deepak.

So WW....are you Betty?
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« Reply #890 on: June 21, 2005, 11:36:54 PM »

Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Perforator"
I think a key here is this Croes guy.
How does he fit in? Why are they holding him?
He wasn't at C&C as far as we know.
Why did they decide to question him?
When does he come into the picture?


They are holding him because he said he saw the three drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. So either 1) The original story was true or 2) Steve Croes is lying.


So one of the 3 people being held told the police, talk to croes, he saw us drop off Natalie and he said yes???
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« Reply #891 on: June 21, 2005, 11:37:04 PM »

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All I care about at this moment homestly, is I truly believe that was probabaly the most beautiful moment I have ever seen on TV....I have always said there are many victims and have had feelings for all involved...As far as someone saying Anita did a fake or staged kiss, it is or at least I was raised in the dutch culture with giving a respectful kiss on  the cheek. That was the ULTIMATE show of respect to Beth on Anita's part.

Cali, this has me weeping.  Don't get FOX, the web video didn't show the kiss part.  I too have been saying all along that all the parents are victims.


You captured it beautifully. I think these are ALL loving parents in a heart breaking situation.  They have both lost their children.  No matter what the reason that has to be the most devastating thing to happen to a parent.

I got chills when the met at the gate.

It's too damn bad warring countries can't do the same.


Thank you Nancy.
I do not cry. I am a tuff as nails kind of girl but this still has me in tears. How many people (none I can think of) come together and treat each other with so much respect and realize, they both have feelings and hurt.

If nothing ever get solved, I can at least remember the first moment of two truly classy people being human. One positive things has come about out of so many negatives.
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« Reply #892 on: June 21, 2005, 11:37:50 PM »

and the last one.....

2 days prior to arrest, correct?

Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:33:21 +0000


 
How is everything there. Well they did not say anything yet about the bloody T -shirt. (she asked about the bloody mattress report)
But we are fine, everything goed normal. The only problem was that yesterday there were like 30 reporters at my friends gate. They thought we fled the country , what is ridiculous why would we leave,they were there for like 45 min but my friend stayed in his room did not come out the parents were talking to them they wanted to know my adress thank god they don't know it .
As for the guards i don't know anything yet about them did said they would decide today what they would do with them if they would charge them or something did not understand that part, and yes its in my statement that i am willing to try id the guard. We told the police about the guard so i think that helped the police a lot . But for now she is just vanished i don't understand how she could vanish like this .I never saw this before in my life , this same girl was sitting in my car spoke to me and now she is just lost.But anyways i'm going now , if i have any further information i will let you know, i was planning to go to vacation 30 th of june but if this is not solved i can kiss that vacation goodbye. Lets hope she will be found soon and found well
 
 
Take care :
 
Deepak
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« Reply #893 on: June 21, 2005, 11:37:54 PM »

So did WW post the full version of the email?  I read the one on page 36 and it didn't look like anything we didn't already know (at least in terms of the night in question).  I don't see why anyone cares if this came from deepak or not, their doesn't seem to be anything to important in there.
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« Reply #894 on: June 21, 2005, 11:38:19 PM »

Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Perforator"
I think a key here is this Croes guy.
How does he fit in? Why are they holding him?
He wasn't at C&C as far as we know.
Why did they decide to question him?
When does he come into the picture?


They are holding him because he said he saw the three drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. So either 1) The original story was true or 2) Steve Croes is lying.


Uhhhh, how do we know that's why they are holding him?  Has this been confirmed?


Sorry, CNN reported that earlier today, so it's "confirmed" (as far as you can trust the MSM!)
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« Reply #895 on: June 21, 2005, 11:38:28 PM »

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If the email is sent to you directly, yes.  Please note the use of forwarded emails in my description.  Those emails, forwarded, lose their header information from the prior person the email was sent to.

Yes but WonderWoman would have the original email and would be able to view and forward the header information. You can easily do a address to name lookup using whois or one of the European name lookup services to verify the validity.


Not if it's been forwarded 6 times or more before it got to her:)  You'd be tracing from computer to computer, and frankly some email servers and routers block the echo back with an "unknown" attribute.


So obviously we need WonderWoman to answer, was this email sent directly to you or was it forwarded? WonderWoman???
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« Reply #896 on: June 21, 2005, 11:38:30 PM »

Maybe this "email" is just being run past Monkeys so we can clean up all the flaws. . . (jk). Wink
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« Reply #897 on: June 21, 2005, 11:38:43 PM »

Quote from: "la_cavalière"
Quote from: "Perforator"
I think a key here is this Croes guy.
How does he fit in? Why are they holding him?
He wasn't at C&C as far as we know.
Why did they decide to question him?
When does he come into the picture?


They are holding him because he said he saw the three drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. So either 1) The original story was true or 2) Steve Croes is lying.


Wait a second....... Did SC say that he believed the 3 boys dropped her off at the Holiday Inn or that he witnessed them dropping her off>  Just checking my memory.  And I think the answer to this in unofficial as well.
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« Reply #898 on: June 21, 2005, 11:38:56 PM »

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i notice that jorans father is said to be a judge ....i thought we est. he is not a judge... why would this be included???


I wondered the same thing.  Deepak knows Paul and has been around him--why would he think that Paul is a judge, when he's not?
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« Reply #899 on: June 21, 2005, 11:39:30 PM »

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Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Quote from: "Lausa"
Quote from: "CaliGirl"
All I care about at this moment homestly, is I truly believe that was probabaly the most beautiful moment I have ever seen on TV....I have always said there are many victims and have had feelings for all involved...As far as someone saying Anita did a fake or staged kiss, it is or at least I was raised in the dutch culture with giving a respectful kiss on  the cheek. That was the ULTIMATE show of respect to Beth on Anita's part.

Cali, this has me weeping.  Don't get FOX, the web video didn't show the kiss part.  I too have been saying all along that all the parents are victims.


You captured it beautifully. I think these are ALL loving parents in a heart breaking situation.  They have both lost their children.  No matter what the reason that has to be the most devastating thing to happen to a parent.

I got chills when the met at the gate.

It's too damn bad warring countries can't do the same.


Thank you Nancy.
I do not cry. I am a tuff as nails kind of girl but this still has me in tears. How many people (none I can think of) come together and treat each other with so much respect and realize, they both have feelings and hurt.

If nothing ever get solved, I can at least remember the first moment of two truly classy people being human. One positive things has come about out of so many negatives.


Cali,
I was really touched by anitas genuine look of caring tonight..i thought that was exactly what i needed to see....
no matter what has happened, who is to blame, etc etc...you cannot deny, from that piece, that there are two families in pain....
Now with that said, where is kerin??
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