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« Reply #920 on: June 21, 2005, 11:45:44 PM »

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That email is a bunch of bullcrap. How conveniently it covers all the things we are wondering about.  It was obviously written by someone else in an attempt to stir up some shit.


Agreed....

Who is Wonder Woman and why is she receiving emails from one of the suspects? If these emails are real, they should be turned over immediately to the FBI (not Aruban police). I'm sure the FBI could validate them.  Most of the information in the email checks out the boys story and what we only learned today from PVDS. Also, the security guards would need to be questioned again.
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« Reply #921 on: June 21, 2005, 11:45:50 PM »

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Isn't it wierd that Papa VDS doesn't care that his 17 year old frequents the casinos?  Doesn't the law say you must be 18?  Isn't he supposed to uphold the laws of his country?????


Why does it matter? I haven't seen any info that indicates it was an everyday happening, anyway.

Just like even if Natalee was drunk and taking drugs by choice and picking up guys it doesn't make murder right.

I'm glad some of this information is coming out, I have been sceptical about all the demonization of Joran and bros, I live in a tacky tourist town and local guys who just want to get laid have no problem picking up hot tourist women, they don't have to kidnapp and force them.


I guess Americans never break the law????
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« Reply #922 on: June 21, 2005, 11:45:51 PM »

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Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:26:12 +0000


 
Thank you for your wonderfull email you send me I really appreciate it.
Things are going better with me now , as you you know there has been 2 arrests i don't know if it comes because the information we gave or just another tip.They were 2 security guards for a hotel nearby the holiday inn where natalee was staying , but we don't have any further information . I would be willing to try making an Id by the police for the 2 suspects i only saw one of them in the news.My parents are doing better now , my friends parents are doing well as well. Although we are almost of the hook we still don't walk much on the streets a lot of fingers are being pointed etc. But the press Is like trying to locate us or something i don't know this morning my friend got a letter for nbc if we were willing to give an intervieuw for a very good price we did not respond to them yet , we don't know if we will give interview as yet. The local press however we won't give any interview they sad a lot of bad things about us they should be ashamed of theirselves.But for now its just from home to work for me , and in the afternoons i go by my friends house we order pizza etc. and watch the news whats going.
Anyways  i have to go now , if i have any ipdates i will let you know asap. the press is all over it so i don't think you will be missing any part of it .
As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.
 
Take care , Say hi to the others and I will mail you again
 
 
bye bye
 
Deepak.

So WW....are you Betty?


can someone remind me
which brother does mrs. twitty say
she met at jorans/ beating chest guy?


Beating chest guy is joran, i think..
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« Reply #923 on: June 21, 2005, 11:46:06 PM »

so mrs n/d s says to greta and beth joran left natalee sleeping on the Marriott? beach.  Hoe did they get there?  it is possible that some other shark at C&C targetted Natelee and drugged her in hopes of taking her from the bar and Joran showed up unexpectedly picked her up drunk and drugged nearly comatose by the time they reached the lighthouse.  nothing adds up.  If Joran was picked up at 11 ar mikkie d he would have been able to clean up and get out by 12, so deepak's 12:20 eta sounds right.  

Guess we will have to await the trial unless Beth gets Bush to send in the WMD search team to find Natalee.   Yuk
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« Reply #924 on: June 21, 2005, 11:46:10 PM »

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Jorans father looks destroyed, not attogant.

To me at least.

So much pain for both families.

Joran supposedly snuck out.


I thought I also understood Greta to say that PVDS "thinks" that he got Joran up that next morning, not sure if he went to school.  Did I hear that?  Did anyone else hear that?  That maybe daddy can't really remember if he woke Joran up for school or if he went to school?


Can't remember because he is protecting his son.



Well, I thought about it at the time Greta said it and I thought about my ex-husband and what he would be like if I were out of town.  My kids are younger, but if they were older he probably wouldn't be real great about making sure they got up and probably wouldn't remember which morning was which and wouldn't be able to seperate one morning from another.  In my experience, and only MINE (not implying that all men are absent minded), men are just not as good at that sort of thing and don't have the memory about that stuff that women do.  I guess I can find his story believable.  Not sure I do believe it, but I can see a man not really knowing for sure.


i think he would remember if a desperate women was at his door looking for her child....


You have a point, he may remember waking Joran up, but may really have no clue when and if Joran left for school.  And maybe he didn't even wake him up but doesn't want to say that he didn't wake him up and make sure he got to school because momma VDS might get upset or whole world will think "what kind of father forgets to wake up their son and get them off to school?"  He may have no idea if Joran was home in the AM or whether or not he went to school.


WHAT !!!!!!  Hes old enough to drink, gamble and drive. Has his own apt, and has to have a parent WAKE him up for school.
Just thinking. Joran seems to come and go and do as he pleases. Yet, he keeps his grades up, plays great tennis. Tutors other kids in his school. Im sure he was far from perfect but he appeares to have been able to keep it together. Too bad he had to screw up and get himself in this mess.
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« Reply #925 on: June 21, 2005, 11:46:36 PM »

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OK. Now I KNOW he's lying. Networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc. DON'T PAY FOR INTERVIEWS. Maybe the tabloids do, but not networks. He said NBC offered to pay him for an interview. LYING![/quote]

Not for the news. . . but there are plenty of other tabloid type shows that probably would,indeed, pay for interviews.
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« Reply #926 on: June 21, 2005, 11:46:37 PM »

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ok, i am ducking for cover..please dont attack me ok? I am about, for one second, to become someone i have often bashed...
I know that Nats friends are just kids by all accounts, and that they have never been on national TV, interviewed, gone through this, etc..
BUT, did anyone else, besides me, find it strange that they were almost laughing tonight?Big smiles...almost evasive?
If this were my best friend, I would be crying at the mention of her name...
I have all the respect of the MB kids..sometimes, however, things just seem odd with their demeanor...except for Dash..lol
<wiping tomatoes off face and other unmentionables that were just flung at me>


I would think they would be pretty dry by now.


A little like Stepford kids..not much compassion, acts younger than their years, maybe that is why they were too young to handle such a trip!!
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« Reply #927 on: June 21, 2005, 11:47:15 PM »

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Apparently they can't afford fact checkers at the Sun Times.
Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #928 on: June 21, 2005, 11:47:26 PM »

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OK. Now I KNOW he's lying. Networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc. DON'T PAY FOR INTERVIEWS. Maybe the tabloids do, but not networks. He said NBC offered to pay him for an interview. LYING!


Not for the news. . . but there are plenty of other tabloid type shows that probably would,indeed, pay for interviews.[/quote]

Uhm.  A Current Affair?
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« Reply #929 on: June 21, 2005, 11:47:39 PM »

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From CNN:

A fourth person, Steve Croes, a 26-year-old party boat DJ, was arrested Friday.

Croes initially was questioned only as a witness, two law enforcement sources told CNN.

At the time, he allegedly corroborated the version of events told by Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoes, who said they dropped Holloway off at the Holiday Inn where she was staying, the sources said.

But police said their story fell apart under questioning and that no evidence has been found to show that the girl ever returned to her hotel.

That and the fact one of them named Croes led authorities to detain him as a suspect, the two law enforcement sources said.

Croes is now cooperating with authorities, the sources said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/21/aruba.holloway/index.html


This would lead me to believe that one of the 3 being held pointed the police to him as a potential witness... ???
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« Reply #930 on: June 21, 2005, 11:47:48 PM »

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i notice that jorans father is said to be a judge ....i thought we est. he is not a judge... why would this be included???


I wondered the same thing.  Deepak knows Paul and has been around him--why would he think that Paul is a judge, when he's not?


I'm a legal assistant and my kids have told their friends I was an attorney...completely by mistake when they were young and didn't know better.  Judge-in-training/Judge...to kids, what's the difference?


Exactly. I believe this was explained on FOX already. He does hear limited cases. To me that's a judge either way.

That's like telling a Deputy District Attorney they aren't an "DA" because they are a deputy DA..so on and so on
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« Reply #931 on: June 21, 2005, 11:47:48 PM »

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I think a key here is this Croes guy.
How does he fit in? Why are they holding him?
He wasn't at C&C as far as we know.
Why did they decide to question him?
When does he come into the picture?


They are holding him because he said he saw the three drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. So either 1) The original story was true or 2) Steve Croes is lying.


Uhhhh, how do we know that's why they are holding him?  Has this been confirmed?


I agree that the Croes arrest is puzzling. 2 posts I read on Croes. 1 was that Croes is a drug dealer fingered by Deepak as the one that supplied him with the drugs that killed Natalee. The other story is that Croes was a witness to the boys dropping Natalee off at the HI.

The fact that he's being held (Croes) as a suspect now leads me to believe the first account.
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« Reply #932 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:01 PM »

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can someone remind me
which brother does mrs. twitty say
she met at jorans/ beating chest guy?



Joran...
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« Reply #933 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:01 PM »

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Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:26:12 +0000


 
Thank you for your wonderfull email you send me I really appreciate it.
Things are going better with me now , as you you know there has been 2 arrests i don't know if it comes because the information we gave or just another tip.They were 2 security guards for a hotel nearby the holiday inn where natalee was staying , but we don't have any further information . I would be willing to try making an Id by the police for the 2 suspects i only saw one of them in the news.My parents are doing better now , my friends parents are doing well as well. Although we are almost of the hook we still don't walk much on the streets a lot of fingers are being pointed etc. But the press Is like trying to locate us or something i don't know this morning my friend got a letter for nbc if we were willing to give an intervieuw for a very good price we did not respond to them yet , we don't know if we will give interview as yet. The local press however we won't give any interview they sad a lot of bad things about us they should be ashamed of theirselves.But for now its just from home to work for me , and in the afternoons i go by my friends house we order pizza etc. and watch the news whats going.
Anyways  i have to go now , if i have any ipdates i will let you know asap. the press is all over it so i don't think you will be missing any part of it .
As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.
 
Take care , Say hi to the others and I will mail you again
 


I thought her mother was crying and the step father cursed at them that night they came to Jorans house
 
bye bye
 
Deepak.


Notice the contridiction  (in bold)
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« Reply #934 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:05 PM »

Keep this philosophy in mind the next time you either hear, or are
about to repeat a rumor.

In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC) Socrates was widely lauded for his
wisdom. One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of your students?"

"Wait a moment," Socrates replied. "Before you tell me I'd like you to
pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test."

"Triple filter?"

"That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my
student let's take a moment to filter what you're going to say. The first
filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or
not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you
are about to tell me about my student something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him,
even though you're not certain it's true?"

The man shrugged, a little embarrassed.

Socrates continued. "You may still pass the test though, because there
is a third filter - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me
about my student going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really"

Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither True
nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all?"

The man was defeated and ashamed. This is the reason Socrates was a
great philosopher and held in such high esteem. It also explains why he never found out that Plato was banging his wife
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« Reply #935 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:13 PM »

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If the email is sent to you directly, yes.  Please note the use of forwarded emails in my description.  Those emails, forwarded, lose their header information from the prior person the email was sent to.

Yes but WonderWoman would have the original email and would be able to view and forward the header information. You can easily do a address to name lookup using whois or one of the European name lookup services to verify the validity.


Not if it's been forwarded 6 times or more before it got to her:)  You'd be tracing from computer to computer, and frankly some email servers and routers block the echo back with an "unknown" attribute.


So obviously we need WonderWoman to answer, was this email sent directly to you or was it forwarded? WonderWoman???


TO ALL: These emails were forwarded. WW is not the only person who got them. But they were all forwarded. There is no usuable header info in them. The facts of them are the dates and the content. Judge these based soley on that.


I can't do that.  I've been at this a long time...AND, believe me in a case like this it's not rare to receive odd emails like this...unless the header info can be found...these aren't worth spending time on.  Sure there's a chance they are real...but, I highly doubt it.  Without verification this was emailed from Aruba and the dates,etc. it's worthless as a possible piece of evidence.
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« Reply #936 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:19 PM »

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All I care about at this moment homestly, is I truly believe that was probabaly the most beautiful moment I have ever seen on TV....I have always said there are many victims and have had feelings for all involved...As far as someone saying Anita did a fake or staged kiss, it is or at least I was raised in the dutch culture with giving a respectful kiss on  the cheek. That was the ULTIMATE show of respect to Beth on Anita's part.

Cali, this has me weeping.  Don't get FOX, the web video didn't show the kiss part.  I too have been saying all along that all the parents are victims.


You captured it beautifully. I think these are ALL loving parents in a heart breaking situation.  They have both lost their children.  No matter what the reason that has to be the most devastating thing to happen to a parent.

I got chills when the met at the gate.

It's too damn bad warring countries can't do the same.


I found it strange that the Joran's parents agreed to an interview.  I do not think its a PR thing, but just a folksy, small town mentality saying sure why not.  I saw that piece and you know what I ve been thinking?  Im about to do a 180 turn, from believing that the Joran and Kalpoes did it to some other explanation.  The main reason is that so far no clear cut confession.  Long interrogation by police, visiting judge, and maybe under supervision of DEA and FBI.  I also saw where Jossy Mansur seem too eager to have this blow over and point the fingers to these suspect.  Earlier post I read that the Mansur family is not all that clean and squeeky.  I m sure the FBI knows the story.
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« Reply #937 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:20 PM »

I think you are missing my point.  If Papa VDS is such a stand-up guy, why did he allow his son to drive and go to the casino?  It directly speaks to his character IMO. I would never be OK with my kids breaking laws, ESP if I were a rep of the court!
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« Reply #938 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:23 PM »

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Uhm.  A Current Affair?
Without a doubt.
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« Reply #939 on: June 21, 2005, 11:48:36 PM »

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OK. Now I KNOW he's lying. Networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc. DON'T PAY FOR INTERVIEWS. Maybe the tabloids do, but not networks. He said NBC offered to pay him for an interview. LYING!


Well the whole email is a lie.  That's the point, isn't it?  This email is Deepak enforcing his alibi (if it is in fact from him, of course).
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