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« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2014, 10:03:04 PM »



Original suspect sketch:



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« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2014, 01:07:29 AM »

the fairfax county rape was in 2005, and the liberity U attack was in 2002
wonder where else he has been
map showing distance
https://goo.gl/maps/gSiqF
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« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2014, 01:36:22 AM »


wonder if the PT addy where JM use to live, is his moms house, its 5mile from
Hannah Graham remains anyone know her name? dont want to post prop owners
name/s, as it might not be his mother
use the 2480 Ponderosa Trl, addy, there is a drop down for streets
http://gisweb.albemarle.org/GISWEB/Welcome.aspx

the prop with the coords (see map) next to the PT prop, (outlined) was
once owned  by the owners of the PT property, where JM use to live
map i hope, Albemarle County GIS map
http://gisweb.albemarle.org/Map/Viewer.aspx?state=899420386975

property once owned by the PT owners is 23 acres
2476 Poplar Dr, Charlottesville, VA 22903
PT addy
2480 Ponderosa Trail, Charlottesville, VA 22903
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i had posted back a few pages, asking if that was his mothers home
maybe it is and she rents/leases it
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=15472.msg1595410#msg1595410

Hawes Spencer @HawesSpencer    24h 24 hours ago
Couple renting nearby former residence of #HannahGraham suspect never heard his name until a month ago:


given JM history in the area,i think the 2476 POPLAR DR property should be checked out,
as it use to belong to the people that own 2480 PONDEROSA TRL where JM use to live
or at least used the addy,and the 2 props are next to each other, but no road separation
not 23 but 43 acres , https://goo.gl/maps/WUQ8E

since its all public info, i decided to post the owner/s info
info on the properties
Most Recent Sales History
Owner      NAGEL, VICTORIA G
2476 POPLAR DR CHARLOTTESVILLE VA, 22903

Previous Owner WASHINGTON, TAMMY D, JEFFERY P WASHINGTON,
 
Owner BALLESTAS, ELADIO J OR
 
Sale Date 09/14/2010
 
Sale Price $100,000
 
Deed Book/Page 3928/212
Notes      10/13/2010 - Certificate of Plat per DB:3942 PG:004
48.303 acres (NEW SURVEY) per PB:3942 PG:006
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Most Recent Sales History
Owner KEY, NANCY L; PATRICIA E WASHINGTON, TAMMY D WASHINGTON, JEFFERY WASHINGTON ETAL
 2480 PONDEROSA TRL
Previous Owner N/A
 
Owner WASHINGTON, WILLIAM T LIFE ESTATE
 
Sale Date 01/29/1997
 
Sale Price $0
 
Deed Book/Page 1590/195
Notes      E COLES / / /
08/18/2009 WILLIAM T WASHINGTON DECEASED AS OF MARCH 9, 2009 PER NANCY L KEY, WILLIAM F WASHINGTON DECEASED AS OF DECEMEBER 27, 2005 PER WB 115 PG 697.
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« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2014, 07:26:49 AM »

Amazing how long he got away with this. He does not appear to be crafty, intelligent, cunning, etc.  He seems to lack impulse control.  He's definitely no Ted Bundy.
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« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2014, 08:16:10 AM »

Considering it was dark, and the victim was being brutally attacked -- I think the sketch is pretty darn close. The original sketch looks much more like JLM than the updated versions. Also, it looks more like him in his younger pics. 50 or so pounds makes a big difference in the way one's face appears.

Can JLM hear that? It's the sound of justice coming straight at him.

 
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« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2014, 08:52:23 AM »

Good Old Klaasend, posting up those sketches.  You can certainly see the similarities. 

Wonder what JLM is thinking now?

Another thing I wanted to address, I have heard a mix of people who think he was not smart enough to formulate such a crime.  That said, there are people who are experts in their fields of business but lack common sense oin many other areas.  So - in like manner he may not  be a brain surgeon but the demons that were driving him to do what he did, it seems he became a pro at it.  Well, not any more!!!
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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2014, 09:46:33 AM »

Considering it was dark, and the victim was being brutally attacked -- I think the sketch is pretty darn close. The original sketch looks much more like JLM than the updated versions. Also, it looks more like him in his younger pics. 50 or so pounds makes a big difference in the way one's face appears.

Can JLM hear that? It's the sound of justice coming straight at him.

 


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« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2014, 11:18:39 AM »

October 21, 2014 Tweets
https://twitter.com/AlbemarleCoPD

AlbemarleCoPolice @AlbemarleCoPD    26m 26 minutes ago
We do not have a timeline for when Medical Examiner's results will be released.

 AlbemarleCoPolice @AlbemarleCoPD    29m 29 minutes ago
Media: For your planning purposes, there will NOT be a press conference to announce the ME's findings. We will release a written statement.
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« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2014, 11:24:31 AM »

I go back to -- JLM didn't need to be smart or cunning to carry out the crimes we know about. 

He needed to gain trust, at least enough to get someone in his vehicle (a CAB in the case of MH) or to walk with him to his vehicle (HG).
He needed a vulnerable female, one who was alone at night, one he could overpower, even more in his favor if the woman was intoxicated.
He needed a place to commit the crime and a place to leave the body. 

In the case of the young lady in Fairfax, I'm not sure what his plan was or what he would have done if not interrupted, as this crime doesn't exactly fit with the MO of MH and HG. Maybe he tried to entice her into his car at the grocery store. Maybe she declined and he followed her, intent to carry out his act anyway.

Intelligence doesn't figure prominently into the equation IMO.

I sincerely hope ALL of his crimes are discovered and that he is held accountable for each and every one.
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« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2014, 12:05:16 PM »

I go back to -- JLM didn't need to be smart or cunning to carry out the crimes we know about. 

He needed to gain trust, at least enough to get someone in his vehicle (a CAB in the case of MH) or to walk with him to his vehicle (HG).
He needed a vulnerable female, one who was alone at night, one he could overpower, even more in his favor if the woman was intoxicated.
He needed a place to commit the crime and a place to leave the body. 

In the case of the young lady in Fairfax, I'm not sure what his plan was or what he would have done if not interrupted, as this crime doesn't exactly fit with the MO of MH and HG. Maybe he tried to entice her into his car at the grocery store. Maybe she declined and he followed her, intent to carry out his act anyway.

Intelligence doesn't figure prominently into the equation IMO.

I sincerely hope ALL of his crimes are discovered and that he is held accountable for each and every one.

 
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« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2014, 01:39:36 PM »

One thing bothers me about him using the sister's car and taking off.  I had read reports that when JLM did go to the police station, he went there with family.  Did that include the sister? 

When he did end up with her car, what on earth did he say about it.  "I am borrowing it indefinitely because I am running away."   ??? 

Perhaps at this point she believed him to be innocent?  I am just not sure at this time what to think about her. 
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« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2014, 03:27:57 PM »

ITA with you goodnmad.
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« Reply #112 on: October 21, 2014, 04:00:50 PM »

Good Old Klaasend, posting up those sketches.  You can certainly see the similarities. 

Wonder what JLM is thinking now?

Another thing I wanted to address, I have heard a mix of people who think he was not smart enough to formulate such a crime.  That said, there are people who are experts in their fields of business but lack common sense oin many other areas.  So - in like manner he may not  be a brain surgeon but the demons that were driving him to do what he did, it seems he became a pro at it.  Well, not any more!!!

I totally agree.  He had demons and knew exactly what he had to do.  Plus as I've said before, he was working as a O.R. Tech, he couldn't have been that dumb. 
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« Reply #113 on: October 21, 2014, 04:02:18 PM »

He was a wolf in sheep's clothing.  People thought of him as a big teddy bear when in fact, he was very cunning.
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« Reply #114 on: October 21, 2014, 04:49:59 PM »

He was a wolf in sheep's clothing.  People thought of him as a big teddy bear when in fact, he was very cunning.

 
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« Reply #115 on: October 21, 2014, 05:21:02 PM »

JM, high school imgs, he prob looked much the same at university

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1997
http://static3.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1948790.1411423038!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-uva3-0922.jpg
1998
http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1948789.1411423008!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-uva2-0922.jpg
2000
http://static1.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1948788.1411422986!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-uva-0922.jpg
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/home-man-missing-uva-student-searched-time-article-1.1948694


Jesse Leroy Matthew, Jr. is seen in a hoto from the Monticello High School yearbook for the class of 2000
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/medical-worker-assistant-football-coach-described-as-kind-warm-hearted/article_9e585d74-445d-11e4-a6da-0017a43b2370.html

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« Reply #116 on: October 21, 2014, 05:30:28 PM »


The 2000 screenshot looks similar to the sketch. I think the nose in the sketches still really looks like his nose (which makes sense since age and weight can really effect the cheeks and eyes.) it's hard because we see what he looks like now and the added weight and age makes him look like a different person from even his photos.

Also wanted to agree that the sketch is good considering the circumstances..
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« Reply #117 on: October 21, 2014, 05:45:33 PM »

I go back to -- JLM didn't need to be smart or cunning to carry out the crimes we know about. 

He needed to gain trust, at least enough to get someone in his vehicle (a CAB in the case of MH) or to walk with him to his vehicle (HG).
He needed a vulnerable female, one who was alone at night, one he could overpower, even more in his favor if the woman was intoxicated.
He needed a place to commit the crime and a place to leave the body. 

In the case of the young lady in Fairfax, I'm not sure what his plan was or what he would have done if not interrupted, as this crime doesn't exactly fit with the MO of MH and HG. Maybe he tried to entice her into his car at the grocery store. Maybe she declined and he followed her, intent to carry out his act anyway.

Intelligence doesn't figure prominently into the equation IMO.

I sincerely hope ALL of his crimes are discovered and that he is held accountable for each and every one.

I think the differences from the Fairfax and college cases are because his MO has evolved as he has gotten older and methods have refined out of necessity.. He seemed to go from the rape allegations in college (people who knew him enough to report and solely rape) To targeting a stranger based on opportunity (Fairfax) but not organized or successful it seems. To refining it even more to targeting inebriated, alone girls on the bar/party scene based on opportunity... To almost hunting at these places (can't think of a better word for it).

He evolved out of self preservation.. After being accused twice, and the later sketch.

I think the unintelligence comes into play with the things people saw but didn't put together enough.. Like the bartender knowing he prowled, the "friends" who knew would target drunk girls, the friend who knew he looked like the sketch. He wasn't a mastermind at hiding.. Just lucky that no one really put it together.


This case really reminds me of John Albert Gardner and Amber and Chelsea
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« Reply #118 on: October 21, 2014, 06:17:36 PM »

a younger JMjr, looked a lot more like his father then,than he does now

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« Reply #119 on: October 21, 2014, 06:44:37 PM »

not sure this was posted

A Glimpse At What Was Found in Jesse Matthew's Car
Posted: Oct 09, 2014 8:31 AM EDT
Updated: Oct 09, 2014 9:17 AM EDT
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New information has also emerged from a first look inside Matthew's blue Nissan Sentra, the car he was reportedly driving on run after Hannah disappeared. Police in Texas have said the Nissan Sentra is in a wrecking yard down the street from the county Sheriff's office.

Inside is a glimpse of Matthew's final days on the run.

There's an ashtray filled with cigarettes and a business card for a Charlottesville detective in the backseat.

In the front, there's a yellow envelope with a cross inside. On the front it reads, "Open this envelope first before you read my letter. Enclosed, three powerful faith tools to release God's power".

Police also found a cassette tape with "Jesus" written on the front.
 
http://www.wric.com/story/26744235/police-trace-timeline-of-jesse-matthew-on-last-night
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